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Old 05-31-2007, 04:22 PM   #1
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Today for some reason I began to watch Opera for the first time I think I ever had as nothing else was on. They were doing an episode on this school that only takes poor black people. Does anyone else find this to be quite racist as there are people who get very touchy and uptight if you do something as small as call a black person black? There are many poor white people but this school rejects them and the level of education there is incredibly high. They have a health center, top-of-the-line computer and parenting courses. I understand in many areas black people have a higher percentage of poverty and according to Opera 1/3 of black males will end up in prison so in some sense white people are a minority in criminals. Why are white poor people not included in all these programs? Isn't this the whole basis of racism?

SUMMARY: Why are there so many organizations who only support black people and no one else?

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Old 05-31-2007, 04:31 PM   #2
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I stopped at Opera.
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:33 PM   #3
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May I remind you this is CT...only post if it contributes

and Oh god I know...why the hell I'm I still watching this crap lol
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3. Please, use spellcheck, or atleast form sentences that make sense. Pretend that you are writing an Essay for class.
You seem to have a decent idea for a thread, so I'll let this go, but if you're going to post in Critical Thinking, you're going to have to take a little time to write a well thought-out sentence or two.
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:39 PM   #5
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It's sad but true: A good portion of minorities, most of them black, pay very little attention to education, are often violent, and some live in poor areas. It's just life.

Also, I can see the intent behind this, but I don't know if this is a definite CT thread.
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:40 PM   #6
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You seem to have a decent idea for a thread, so I'll let this go, but if you're going to post in Critical Thinking, you're going to have to take a little time to write a well thought-out sentence or two.
Yeah...I was thinking of CC but thats almost like TGB now but without the panel of elitists on high horses


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It's sad but true: A good portion of minorities, most of them black, pay very little attention to education, are often violent, and some live in poor areas. It's just life.

Also, I can see the intent behind this, but I don't know if this is a definite CT thread.
Why can't it be for all underprivlaged people? I think people should be racially blind.
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:41 PM   #7
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(You go to the Opera, you watch Oprah).

To get back at their 1000000 years of being underrepresented. I was the only 'minority' in my Catholic high school, but being a minority is what gave me a better chance in college. It's all relative. I was also smart, which is the reason I actually got accepted in the first place.

There are also many organizations that are biased to white people, but I can see what you mean. The groups for white people are mainly for the elitist to show they are better than anyone else, and the groups for black people are to try and bring them to a status where they are not less than human.
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That's nice thinking, but it's still a CC thread.
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That's nice thinking, but it's still a CC thread.
I disagree.
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There are also many organizations that are biased to white people, but I can see what you mean. The groups for white people are mainly for the elitist to show they are better than anyone else, and the groups for black people are to try and bring them to a status where they are not less than human.
However things such s this school are seriously steriotyping that all black people are poor and they are steriotyping themselves. However I do agree thre are a few white biased organization out their but they should take that to court instead of fanning the flames.
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Old 05-31-2007, 04:54 PM   #11
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At what point does a group that was oppressed lose the ability to blame their every problem on having been oppressed?

Whites had black slaves. Blacks had middle eastern/east indian slaves before that. I'm curious when the statute of limitations on sins of fathers actually runs out.

I'm white...my family had never even -seen- a black person until they emigrated to Canada in the 1950s, ought I somehow be made to 'pay' for slavery?
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Old 05-31-2007, 06:27 PM   #12
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I agree with Devonin. Programs like these and governmental "affirmative action" policies are meant to be reparations for years of discrimination against minorities (and women too, but that's for a slightly different topic). But the irony is that in trying to make amends for discrimination, they discriminate themselves, by reversing the positions.

My uncle worked for General Motors, and went into an interview for a promotion to a higher position. His competition was a black person (I will not say "African American" because the guy could've just as well been Jamaican, I don't know). My uncle didn't get the promotion, even though he had higher credentials and did better in the interview, simply because GM needed to have another black person in that position to comply with affirmative action policies.

Discrimination is still discrimination, regardless of whether or not the people being discriminated against are a majority or minority. Hiring someone (or accepting someone, in the case of a school) should not be based on race or gender at all, in my opinion. Affirmative action policies force companies to hire based on race, and that's still against what prominent American civil rights activists (Martin Luther King Jr., etc) wanted. He said something like this (I can't remember it verbatim):

"I have a dream that one day people will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."

By giving preference to minorities as opposed to exclusion, people are still being judged by the color of their skin. As far as I'm concerned, race, gender, sexual preference, none of it should have ANY bearing at ALL, excepting in rare cases where difficulty may arise. For instance, a white person may be uncomfortable working in a black history museum, and I would consider this if I were hiring him. That's not the best example, but you get the idea. I don't believe that any of those things (race, etc.) can impede your ability to work, but simply for the sake of comfort for the employees and clients, there are situations in which they should be considered. Another example is that people might be somewhat uncomfortable if a white person were to be involved in the upper levels of the NAACP. I don't think he'd do the job any better or worse than a black person in the same position, but he and the NAACP members may feel awkward or uncomfortable with it. This is a situation in which race could be an issue, as workplace morale and thus effectiveness could be negatively affected by having a white person work there. Not because of his abilities, but simply his presence in an organization dedicated to "the advancement of colored people."

Hopefully you understand my meaning; I probably wasn't as clear as I would have liked. Sorry in advance for any misunderstandings.
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I believe that it's as simple as a mind set. We grew up living with these things in the world. Therefore it is the way that society accepts these things to be.
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Old 06-1-2007, 06:37 PM   #15
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i agree,if ppl try not to be racist, it just starts more fights!
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I would LOVE to see these "white" only organizations personally. Just because it might be a harder place to get into without certain credentials doesn't mean its a "white only".

For the question originally asked I would have to say yes but Im scared that I might be racist now. The double standard here in America for the African American race is by far the worst. Like we all know they can say what they want in songs, TV, and in person but god forbid a white person do the same. The one thing that really gets me is they get their month, TV show, magazines, College Funds, special lawyers, and special laws but they still insist that they are "punished".

Why can't we have a month for the Jewish and German people for WW2? They were destroyed and got nothing close to what African Americans get in American to this day. When you hear people like Rev. Sharpton and Jackson (which aren't real reverends) talk about how their ancestors were treated bad so they should get a special privilege but don't talk about how African Americans sold and bought slaves for their farms.

Some of the things those 2 men say are real shocking on how racist they actually are. But since they are already a minority they can't be punished.

Overall Poverty is poverty and African American is well you guessed it African American. Those don't automatically mean they go with each other and should not be an excuse for anyone.
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SUMMARY: Why are there so many organizations who only support black people and no one else?
People often answer this question in their own arguements on this subject without realizing it. Let's face it, the black race has a problem portion amongst them. I'm talking about the ones who glorify the thug lifestyle, neglect intelligence, the negative members of the black community. The intention (though I admit, not often the effect) of said "organizations" is to reward and uplift positive members of the black community: those that don't adhere to the stereotypes, value their opportunities and education. Sure, some that don't really deserve the benefits get them, and that's wrong. But the point is to encourage a new mindset in that negative portion of the community, by removing any excuses from the equation, like "i'm too impoverished" or "the man is holding me down". Sure the organizations impose their own problems by trying to remove others, but the intent is good, not to "stick it to white man" as I have often heard it put.

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I would LOVE to see these "white" only organizations personally. Just because it might be a harder place to get into without certain credentials doesn't mean its a "white only".

For the question originally asked I would have to say yes but Im scared that I might be racist now. The double standard here in America for the African American race is by far the worst. Like we all know they can say what they want in songs, TV, and in person but god forbid a white person do the same. The one thing that really gets me is they get their month, TV show, magazines, College Funds, special lawyers, and special laws but they still insist that they are "punished".

Why can't we have a month for the Jewish and German people for WW2? They were destroyed and got nothing close to what African Americans get in American to this day. When you hear people like Rev. Sharpton and Jackson (which aren't real reverends) talk about how their ancestors were treated bad so they should get a special privilege but don't talk about how African Americans sold and bought slaves for their farms.

Some of the things those 2 men say are real shocking on how racist they actually are. But since they are already a minority they can't be punished.

Overall Poverty is poverty and African American is well you guessed it African American. Those don't automatically mean they go with each other and should not be an excuse for anyone.
Fact: Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton do not speak for the whole black community. I wish people would realize that all blacks aren't sitting on their bums whining about slavery.
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[quote=Relambrien;1561854]I agree with Devonin. Programs like these and governmental "affirmative action" policies are meant to be reparations for years of discrimination against minorities (and women too, but that's for a slightly different topic). But the irony is that in trying to make amends for discrimination, they discriminate themselves, by reversing the positions.
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A good argument, but untrue. Affirmative action policies are not meant as reparations for slavery or anything of the sort (they often apply to other minority groups as well), but rather an attempt to make equality within educational and occupational systems by looking at the statistics behind poverty and poor schooling--which most often goes hand in hand with race. Therefore, minorities are often given more opportunities in say, college admissions, because there is a high possibility that they grew up poor and went to poor schools that could not afford to educate them. White people who may be better qualified often do not get accepted because of affirmative action (there have in fact been lawsuits about it). The main problem with affirmative action is that admissions cannot be based on race, simply put. Yes, it is true that a black person has a higher chance of having grown up with a bad education and therefore SHOULD get some benefit in regards to education and occupation. But it is also true that there are white people who grow up poor and should recieve benefits as well--but do not because they are assumed to have had a good education because of their race. Just as there are black people who have grown up with good educations and have had plenty of money, but are assumed dirt poor by college admissions and are thus accepted because of their race, not the merit they had built up over many years.

Some form of affirmative action can exist and help eliminate inequality (in the form of giving benefits to only those from poor backgrounds with fewer opportunities--black or white), but as it is now, it only perpetuates stereotypes. It quite literally institutionalizes the idea that black people are poor, white people are rich, and therefore black people need help in the real world.
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Yes, it is true that a black person has a higher chance of having grown up with a bad education and therefore SHOULD get some benefit in regards to education and occupation.
Why? The -only- way you can possibly "explain" why black people who grow up with a lack of money or a lack of education should get an extra boost simply because they are also black is to claim that "black people" are somehow intrinsically poor or stupid.

In the United States it is the case that the overwhelming majority of blacks in say...the 1850s were slaves (I'm pretty sure that an at least 80% majority of blacks in the US -before- the civil war were in fact slaves, correct me if I'm wrong there) Since then, a very large number of black families, having been freed from slavery, and given the legal rights of citizens (Yes, of course they had to further fight for equal status, right up through MLK) have done perfectly well for themselves. They've pulled themselves out of poverty, and the black community is very well represented in a large number of fields, politics, law, medicine etc etc. There are hundreds of thousands of "pulled up by my bootstraps" success stories.

That so many black people and families were capable of going from such terrible and abject discrimination and oppression to become successful, educated members of the community lends total lie to any claim that black people are somehow inherantly incapable of making that transition.

Instead of concluding that because so many black communities are poor and poorly educated, the system must still be oppressing them, so we are obligated to give them unfair extra advantages to "balance it out," perhaps one ought to conclude that since there are so many unfair advantages that are given to "balance it out" there's just no incentive for the black communities to really put the work and effort into getting there on their own like so many of their forebearers worked so hard to do.

If you know (And this is the case) that several very well respected American colleges assign the same amount of points in their application process to "Being black" as they do for "A perfect SAT score" and you know (And this is also the case) that any number of educational instituitions and places of employment are -required- to have a certain number of black employees, regardless of whether there was 1, 10 or 1000 more qualified non-black applicants, keeping this image alive, so you can keep these absurd policies alive seems like a pretty "smart" move to me.
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