05-20-2006, 08:49 PM | #1 |
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A question about gays/lesbians
STOP. Before you come in here with the mindset of flaming me/gays or lesbians in general, please do not even think about posting in here. This is a question (or more like a theory) as to how gay/lesbians are still here on the planet. There will be no flaming at all, just debating on what you think. Now that that is over... here is my question.
In science, we learned in depth more about natural selection. I really was thinking, why are gays/lesbians still on the planet? If it is ideal to be "straight" in order to have children and pass on your traits, wouldn't the "gay" genes eventually be elimiated? I understand that the gene might be recessive (thus having a 25% chance of appearing in offspring) but you would think that EVENTUALLY all gays/lesbians would cease to exist. This really does bring up the question, what decides whether you are gay or straight? Is it a genetic mutation or some error while you are still in the womb? Please discuss. Mods, if things DO get out of hand (and I hope they don't) feel free to lock this topic or move it if this isn't CT material. O_o EDIT: Reading it over again, it really does sound like I hate gays/lesbians, and the truth is, I don't. As long as they don't start hitting on me, I'm cool with them. I do have a few gay friends and I have asked them about this and they didn't know. Sorry about that if you are gay and I sound like one of those super religious gay bashers. My apologies.
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05-20-2006, 09:10 PM | #2 |
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
There's probably more than one gene involved in determining sexuality. As to your main question, I don't know. I had a book called "Biological Exuberance" by a guy named Bruce Bagemihl that I think offered one explanation, but I can't remember quite how it worked.
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05-20-2006, 09:52 PM | #3 |
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
I would say that being gay is more based on your upbringing than on your genes.
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05-20-2006, 10:06 PM | #4 |
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
Well it is pretty much proven it is a genetic mutation in this book. Sorry I couldn't get the actual official site.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/006...lance&n=283155 I think that the enviroment that one grows up in has an influence to an extent, but I don't think that it is the major part in determining one's sexuality. O_o
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05-20-2006, 10:14 PM | #5 | |
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
It's generally accepted that you're born with it. So like everything, it's most likely a mix of genes and environment. A mutation is possible. But it's pretty common.
But in any case, there is a distinct fact of the matter on the truth.
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05-20-2006, 10:25 PM | #6 |
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
It's hard to see the forest for the politically correct trees.
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Until I hear from a reliable source that genes cause homosexuality, I'll stick to what I said before. Your argument is the equivalent to saying that genes decides what kind of food you'll like or what kind of music you'll like. There might be things in your genes that affect it, but the end result of your taste in whatever subject comes from your environment.
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05-20-2006, 10:39 PM | #8 |
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
I remember something about being that the Y Chromosome being smaller than the X, it sorta gets "beat up" by the X chromosome, or something to that effect. Eh, I dunno i saw something about it on the discovery channel, dont quite remember it all.
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05-20-2006, 10:42 PM | #9 |
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05-20-2006, 11:05 PM | #11 |
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
I don't think anything makes you gay/straight. Well, maybe your environment.
But it's just whatever turns you on.. I suppose it's like asking, "What determines whether you like Rock or Techno?"
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05-20-2006, 11:10 PM | #12 | |
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Sorry afro. I was thinking of the book I read about the Genome and I was kinda rushing for a source. Totally didn't think of wiki. Well none of you guys really answered my intended question, why are do gays/lesbians exist. Doesn't this go against the idea of natural selection?
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05-20-2006, 11:24 PM | #13 |
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
Heh, well, there's a few takes on this.
First off, it highly depends on your view of a few things: Do you believe your sexuality is a free choice? IE... I consider myself to be straight. I could go eff some dude in the ass right now. Does that make me gay? Was I ever gay? What if I choose to never have sex... does that make me gay or simply anti-procreation? Or just a weirdo? Or is it a matter of your DNA that determines your sexuality? Regardless of that... the current trend of this topic is to believe it's genetic, so I'll go with that. It brings up some interesting thoughts... perhaps humans don't have that instinctual behavior to continue the species. Perhaps there's too many of us and this is mother nature's way of of controlling our population. Maybe it's a fluke. I honestly don't know, but it's certainly something I've thought a lot about, but I've yet to reach any conclusions. |
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Really, they're just looking at correlations anyway. correlation!=causation;
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05-20-2006, 11:27 PM | #15 |
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
Maybe they just want to be different/get attention. I know that's true by some of the people I know >_<
But if they're truly gay/lesbian, well I suppose they found someone who makes them happy but they're of the same sex. To them it doesn't matter, because they truly love that person and decide that they are gay/lesbian. And does it matter if it goes against natural selection? They aren't thinking, "Oh man, I love him, but oh darn! It goes against natural selection! I'm going to impact the human race out of 6 billion people!" Although, if the whole world becomes gay/lesbian, then that would definately be a problem. I seriously doubt that would happen though.
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05-20-2006, 11:29 PM | #16 |
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There's enough people on the planet that we could use some more gays/lesbians/people just plain not reproducing.
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I agree with you afro. Iw as thinking of homosexuality as a trait but it really isn't. I guess this thread brings in the idea of what it is to really be homosexual. I think that someone who is homosexual is basically a person who prefers someone of the same sex over someone of the opposite sex. It really just confuses me though because if homosexuality isn't passed from generation to generation, are you saying its a random mishap? It seems as though it is more of a hormonal imbalance during pregnancy.
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05-20-2006, 11:35 PM | #18 |
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Trying to find the roots of homosexuality is like trying to find the roots of S&M or pedophilia.
It's all environment, guys. EDIT: By the way, notice how they use the word correlate. That's a fancy word meaning that as one goes up, the other changes. This however does not necessarily mean that one caused the other.
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Re: A question about gays/lesbians
However, from a sexual standpoint, it seems that homoesexuality would be the way to go. Your partner is more likely to be looking for the same relationship (sexually) as you are. For males, assuming buttsex and giving head doesn't bother you (it does me), it would seem to be a pretty sweet deal.
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05-20-2006, 11:44 PM | #20 |
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Natural Selection means survival of the fittest. As you should well be aware, the human species is at the top of the food chain. Homosexuals are still members of the human species.
Homosexuality is not a trait that can be passed on from generation to generation. It's a genetic mutation, a mixed up combination of X and Y chromosomes, individual to each person. Just because someone is homosexual doesnt mean the are any less fit for survival than heterosexuals. |
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