XBOX 360 is too expensive....

[87x]

YEA RIGHT!

All of you guys bitching about the 360 being too expensive and how the ps3 is the better choice because it cheaper can kiss my ass.

http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?op...=1497&Itemid=2

Originally Posted by Merrill Lynch

PlayStation 3 Component Est. Cost at Launch Est. Cost after 3 Years
CPUIBM Cell $ 160 $ 50
GPU Nvidia RSX @550MHz $ 100 $ 30
Optical Media Blu-Ray $ 100 $ 30
Memory 256MB XDR/256MB GDDR3 $ 60 $ 30
HDD detachable 2.5" HDD NA NA
USB 6 ports $ 5 $ 3
Ethernet gigabit ethernet $ 5 $ 4
Wi-Fi 802.11b/g $ 5 $ 3
Bluetooth Bluetooth 2.0 $ 10 $ 5
Other Analog IC, ASICs, I/O $ 50 $ 40
Total $ 495 $ 195


Xbox 360 Component Est. Cost at Launch Est. Cost after 3 Years
CPU IBM PPC $ 100 $ 35
GPU ATI GPU $ 100 $ 30
Optical Media DVD-ROM $ 25 $ 10
Memory 512MB GDDR3 $ 50 $ 25
HDD detachable 20GB HDD $ 25 $ 15
USB 3 ports $ 5 $ 3
Ethernet Ethernet $ 5 $ 4
Wi-Fi 802.11 a/b/g $ 5 $ 3
Controllers up to 4 wireless NA NA
Other Analog IC, ASICs, I/O $ 25 $ 20
Total $ 340 $ 145

[Laharl]

Don't forget that while the PS3 might trump the 360 technologically, it comes out A YEAR LATER, pretty much putting Sony's next system in the position the X-Box is now: Better system but launched too latet o get the ginourmous library of games. That, and knowing Sony, they're release the first waves of PS3's before they make sure it won't fall apart in 6 months.

[Chromer]

And besides, Sony could be playing the Blame Game. By saying that their prices are high now, it will get people's expectations up. Then when it comes out at a lower price, it shocks the consumers with its cheaper price, there by getting more customers.

[Squeek]

Why.

Why.

Why.

Why does every single website ignore the Revolution.

I just don't get it. It's like everybody is completely ignoring its existance.

~Squeek

[suicidalmuskrat]

Originally Posted by Chromer

And besides, Sony could be playing the Blame Game. By saying that their prices are high now, it will get people's expectations up. Then when it comes out at a lower price, it shocks the consumers with its cheaper price, there by getting more customers.

They could be, just like Microsoft faking shortages. However, this isn't Sony's numbers. This is Merrill Lynch. Analysts. Usually surprisingly accurate. The fact is that Sony may launch their console for 399 dollars. Biting the loss. Trojan Horse for Blu-ray technology. You do understand that people expect stand alone next-gen 'DVD players' to cost around $1,000? That's just an INSANE value to the customer. So you're talking about how Xbox is going to cost less to produce, and cost less. However, shouldn't we be thinking about value? If the PS3 even launches for 499 it seems like it'd be a MUCH better value.

And, I hear you Squeek. I'm sick of people ignoring the Revolution, but I think in part it's because people don't know enough about it. Especially to analyze the cost.

[Pumble]

The Revolution will get more attention in due time. The Revolution isn't even the official name for the system, is it?

[ToshX]

Originally Posted by MrESqueek

Why.

Why.

Why.

Why does every single website ignore the Revolution.

I just don't get it. It's like everybody is completely ignoring its existance.

~Squeek

Because Nintendo-related games(especially ToS) suck the big Barlog.

[Squeek]

Honestly Tosh, I'm not even going to bother to counter that with much more than:

Try having an open mind when judging over 100 games all at once.

~Squeek

[Moogy]

Tales of Symphonia is one of the absolute best current-gen titles overall. Go back to playing stupid Korean MMOs.

Anyway, cost is not an issue for me. I have scads of money. The issue with me is the actual games.

[Eyoshi]

Originally Posted by MrESqueek

Why.

Why.

Why.

Why does every single website ignore the Revolution.

I just don't get it. It's like everybody is completely ignoring its existance.

~Squeek

Nintendo's still keeping sealed lips about the components of the Revolution.

However, I am guessing that out of all of the next-gen consoles, Nintendo's will be the cheapest. I think Nintendo will keep their console features to games, and not include a lot of the unnecessary add-ons that seem to be present in the other consoles such as media players, and such. While these extras may be relatively small in cost compared to the specs listed, they can add up.

Plus, previous Nintendo console releases always were no-frills, usually only having what one needs to play games, rather than mp3 players or DVD players, and such. Also, they were always the lowest-priced consoles out of the generation.

[Squeek]

I guarantee Nintendo's release price is ~$200. I don't even care as long as the price of the console with a game is less than $1,000. That's the limit on my credit card that I will be using at 6AM on the day it is released.

Looks like I'm skipping all of my classes for that whole week.

~Squeek

[ToshX]

Dude, it was a joke, I was just going after Squeek for having beat ToS multiple times and having asked why no one likes the Revolution.

[Laharl]

The Revolution looks to be Nintendo officially abandoning all common sense, if you want my personal opinion. They've decided that gimmicks are their thing, I guess, which pisses me right the hell off. Everything about the Revolution looked fantastic to me until they revealed it's UTTERLY STUPID controller.

NINTENDO:

I do not want to change the way I play games. YOUR stuff is the reason I like playing games in the format most console games are relased in already, you don't need to redefine what you guys perfected.

~Sincerely,
Casey C Lantz

[jewpinthethird]

Originally Posted by MrESqueek

Why.

Why.

Why.

Why does every single website ignore the Revolution.

I just don't get it. It's like everybody is completely ignoring its existance.

~Squeek

Because no one takes Nintendo seriously anymore. Nintendo is kind of like what the Green party is to government parties. The only people who are in the Green party are fanatics, just as the only people who like Nintendo are fanatics.

Which isnt necessarily a bad thing. Like Laharl pointed out, Nintendo knows there is no possible way they can compete which gives them the option of being more liberal when it comes to game design. It gives them the option of thinking outside the box.

[Squeek]

Originally Posted by Laharl

The Revolution looks to be Nintendo officially abandoning all common sense, if you want my personal opinion. They've decided that gimmicks are their thing, I guess, which pisses me right the hell off. Everything about the Revolution looked fantastic to me until they revealed it's UTTERLY STUPID controller.

NINTENDO:

I do not want to change the way I play games. YOUR stuff is the reason I like playing games in the format most console games are relased in already, you don't need to redefine what you guys perfected.

~Sincerely,
Casey C Lantz

Uh.

Nintendo's approach to games is as such:

"We're gonna make a console like we always have: One that plays games."

While on the other hand, Sony and Microsoft are trying to make their consoles like cellphones. They're trying to cram as many totally unecessary things in their consoles to beef up the price as humanly possible.

Nintendo's approach is to mix things up a little and, you know, TRY SOMETHING NEW. Just improving graphics is not enough. Even the head of the company said so. You could do that, but over time, it'll just be the same thing over and over again. And you'd lose interest among your fanbase.

And, unfortunately for you, your OPINION on the controller is yours and yours alone. I and many others think it has the potential to be the greatest thing to happen to the video game industry.

Originally Posted by ToshX

Dude, it was a joke, I was just going after Squeek for having beat ToS multiple times and having asked why no one likes the Revolution.

Well, I guess twice is multiple. 'Cuz nobody beats a game more than once after unlocking all the cool stuff you get after beating it the first time, right?

Originally Posted by jewpinthethird

Nintendo knows there is no possible way they can compete which gives them the option of being more liberal when it comes to game design. It gives them the option of thinking outside the box.

I highly doubt the founders of modern-day videogaming as we know it think "we have no chance". The creation of Nintendo lead to the creation of the gaming branch in Sony to put forth the PS1. This lead to Microsoft taking interest in the business and joining the game as well. The foundation is and will always be Nintendo. They cater to the needs of gamers the best of the three like they always have.

Personally, I don't know about you guys, but continuously playing the same game with a new title, new graphics, and a new storyline over and over again on a new console is going to get old soon. It really got set off when they 3-D'd everything, but there's nothing more you can do now. That's why Nintendo is adding yet another element to gaming. You won't have to just sit in a chair with a controller in your two hands pushing buttons with your thumbs. No. They're gonna change it and we're gonna love it.

We hope.

~Squeek

[lord_carbo]

Originally Posted by Laharl

The Revolution looks to be Nintendo officially abandoning all common sense, if you want my personal opinion. They've decided that gimmicks are their thing, I guess, which pisses me right the hell off. Everything about the Revolution looked fantastic to me until they revealed it's UTTERLY STUPID controller.

NINTENDO:

I do not want to change the way I play games. YOUR stuff is the reason I like playing games in the format most console games are relased in already, you don't need to redefine what you guys perfected.

~Sincerely,
Casey C Lantz

Seriously, I'm tired with all of the "Revolution's controller sucks" crap I've been hearing. If you've ever picked up a TV remote in your damn life, that's what it is. Nothing complicated. Nintendo is "dumbing down" the regular controller so new generation players can get into gaming, while at the same time keep a shell so you can play in the traditional style.

Nintendo is a gaming company. They aren't going to add every single special feature in the world to enchance their system.

Originally Posted by MrESqueek

I guarantee Nintendo's release price is ~$200. I don't even care as long as the price of the console with a game is less than $1,000. That's the limit on my credit card that I will be using at 6AM on the day it is released.

Looks like I'm skipping all of my classes for that whole week.

~Squeek

I think I read somewhere that it was $200. I'm not gonna dig it up, though. If ya wanna try your luck on Gamespot, go ahead.

Originally Posted by MrESqueek

Personally, I don't know about you guys, but continuously playing the same game with a new title, new graphics, and a new storyline over and over again on a new console is going to get old soon. It really got set off when they 3-D'd everything, but there's nothing more you can do now. That's why Nintendo is adding yet another element to gaming. You won't have to just sit in a chair with a controller in your two hands pushing buttons with your thumbs. No. They're gonna change it and we're gonna love it.

It isn't really old at the moment, but it will get old soon. In all honesty, unless a game has a signifigance different gameplay than it's last, I'd probably considering getting it more than if it didn't. Systems these days focus too damn much on how their graphics look. I don't give a crap how good their graphics are if the games that uses those graphics blow.

[suicidalmuskrat]

No price has been confirmed, but in a recent statement Reggie said that it will certainly be the least expensive of the 3.

Laharl, you realize there will be a standard shell? You realize this shell will still maintain all the tilt/3d space sensing as it did before? You realize that through attatchments this could be WHATEVER THE FUCK PEOPLE WANT IT TO BE. Anyways, just think there's no possible way to bash it at this point.

Also, why do people call the new controller a gimmick? Well actually I do. Because it is a gimmick. But they mean it in a negative way. When gimmick shouldn't really be seen as negative.
" An innovative or unusual mechanical contrivance" So yeah, the revolution controller is as much a gimmick as the NES controller was. Nintendo is simply redefining what a remote can be capable. You can get all your old school games with the Rev. You can also get all the new and improved games. I just don't get how, at this point, people could be negative.

[Laharl]

Originally Posted by MrESqueek

Uh.

Nintendo's approach to games is as such:

"We're gonna make a console like we always have: One that plays games."

While on the other hand, Sony and Microsoft are trying to make their consoles like cellphones. They're trying to cram as many totally unecessary things in their consoles to beef up the price as humanly possible.

Nintendo's approach is to mix things up a little and, you know, TRY SOMETHING NEW. Just improving graphics is not enough. Even the head of the company said so. You could do that, but over time, it'll just be the same thing over and over again. And you'd lose interest among your fanbase.

And, unfortunately for you, your OPINION on the controller is yours and yours alone. I and many others think it has the potential to be the greatest thing to happen to the video game industry.

The Revolution is doing a lot of things right, namely that all the extra stuff you might want to get for the system, like Wi-Fi access, does not come standard so people who just want to play games can do so.

The controller idea is still HORRIBLE. Yes, it CAN be "whatever we want it to be", for extra money, which means game developers won't consider using whatever gimmicky add-ons Nintendo will release for their controller because the majority of gamers WON'T PURCHASE THE ADD-ONS. How do I know this? Look at the GameCube. The hoookups to use a GBA as a controller? Utilized by all of two games I can think of. The DK bongos? 3 games, all first party Nintendo. The GBA card reader for the GBA? GameStop hasn't even held them in stock in a long time because no one bought them.

Before you guys yell at me for being anti-Nintendo, get this: The Revolution is most likely the first next gen system I'll buy. I don't ever plan on getting a PS3, and I'll not get a 360 until they come down in price, which could be a year or two or three. I'm just looking at their next system for what it appears to be: a desperate gamble. They've tried the gimmick thing before and it hasn't caught on yet with the American audience, so I don't see why they expect their entire next gen console to run off one and be successful.

[evilbutterfly]

Laharl has a point. I mean, how many people owned a Power Pad? And of the people who owned one, how many games did they have that actually used the Power Pad? Or that glove thing? Or a Virtual Boy? People don't like sudden ridiculous change. I mean, Nintendo is cool for going out on the edge and trying this, but if they keep it up they're gonna go the way of Atari and Sega and end up just making games, not consoles.

But, as Squeek so amusingly shows us, Nintendo will always have its fanboys that keep it alive somewhat. Also, they still pretty much dominate the portable market, so that'll give them more life, too. If they don't make another home console after this, I won't be too surprised. I will, however, be disappointed. Gamers may not like and accept Nintendo's ridiculous innovations, but because Nintendo comes out with them, Sony and Microsoft can see what people will like and copy Nintendo. I mean, come on. Nintendo had so much crap before anybody else, but they just did it weird. Rumble Packs, analog sticks (if I'm not mistaken), the PS controller design (sup SNES controller with 2 more shoulder buttons), the dual stick thing (look at Virtual Boy controllers), and other stuff I just can't think of. PS4 and X-Box3 (whatever the hell it's called) will undoubtedly have tilt sensitivity, especially if the Revolution is a success.

As for the actual topic of this thread: Buying a PS3 rather than an X-BOX 360 will be like buying a newer model sports car rather than a year-old minivan. Sure, the van may have better gas-mileage and more space for your kids and non-drivers and be more reliable, but the sports car is fucking sweet and go way faster and look cooler and pick up hot chicks, even though it may break down faster from being so eXtreme. The simple fact is, when the sports car only costs $100 or so more, people will buy the sports car.

However, I think it's hilarious how the fanboys have flip-flopped. When it was X-Box vs PS2, it was always "WELL X-BOX HAS BETTER GRAPHICS AND BETTER HARDWARE SO MEH!" and "WELL IT WAS RELEASED A YEAR LATER AND ISN'T EVEN THAT MUCH BETTER!! PLUS, GRAPHICS AREN'T EVERYTHING!" Now it's the other way around. Honestly, I think this is just Sony's way of smacking Bill Gates in the face with their huge dick.

[Squeek]

Laharl, you honestly think that a new game which requires an add-on to the controller won't have it included?

You sadden me.

N64:

Starfox 64 Bundle - Comes with Rumble Pak.
Donkey Kong 64 Bundle - Comes with Expansion Pak just in case you didn't buy one.

I sincerely doubt the company who produced a game will hinder our ability to play the game. Even Crystal Chronicles and Four Swords could be played one player without the GBA link. And I believe Four Swords even came with a link cable when you bought it. The bongos came with Donkey Konga, obviously. And they were like 5-10 bucks for another one. When you buy DDR for PS2, do you get a pad?

Rediculous innovations? Try testing the waters. EyeToy was probably the most fun I have ever had playing a video game. Sure, it didn't do so well, but it was amazingly awesome when it came out. It was just poorly implemented. Sony is famous for allowing strange and innovative new games on its consoles. Try DDR, the entire basis of this website. Do you use a controller to play it? How about Pop'n? DrumMaster? EyeToy? Gosh, I can think of so many.

And it's not like the controller is the only way to play as we have pointed out before. For those who just can't stand to use the new controller, they have ports for the GCN controller in the top.

Trust me. Nintendo knows what they're doing. And, considering that they're trying something new and my envisioning of a future where videogames are still just button-pressing madness is really starting to scare me. Games shouldn't just be about how well you can press your thumbs down on buttons. They should, and can be, expanded into something much greater. That's why all these companies are putting out new Bemani games to please gamers who want to try something new.

~Squeek