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I've searched the forums for something like this and I didnt find anything on it so dont kill me if it has already been done.
I had my British Literature teacher ask me if I thought that America is an empire/dynasty and it it would fall like all past empires have. I think that one day we will. It may not be in our lifetime but its most likely going to be a war, civil or world, or something is going to happen where we fall into another depression and we are going to be a third-world-country. So tell me what you think. EDIT: And to let you know: Im not one of those people that hates America. I love living here so dont get me wrong about this question.
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Nothing lasts forever, and america is just another example. Yes, it is a strong "empire" but the value of our currnecy is depleteing and eventually there will be a stock market crash or w/e and we will have another "great depression" War may also come to us and that could a lot of nations.
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Yes, while America is strong and able to support other countries, eventually the same thing that happened to the Roman Empire will happen to America. Just for those that don't know, the Roman Empire collapsed from spreading itself too thin to keep under control while conquering neighboring countries.
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It'll eventually fall. Hope I'm dead then, though. I don't want to die from hunger.
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Yes america will fall, but to who? I personally have no idea. You guys have any?
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great depression? not unless china puts it's economy-bomb up... (one trillion...yes TRILLION american dollars american. Put that all up on the market at once and the currency will plummet and launch it into chaos) but extreme procautions have been taken over the thirties to stop over-inflation. War? Maybe from N. Korea, i guess.
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America will most certainly fall, but not in the way you'd think. Most empires (and according the the Conrad-Demarest model, America is an empire) fall due to a revolution (France) or to a series of internal and external causes (Rome). I believe that America will not fall but rather it will decline.
Economic forecasts predict China rising as a global superpower within the next century. That means they will dominate politically and economically over many other nations. Superior man-power and supplies could lead to the Chinese surpassing America economically and then take dominance as the new world superpower. What is more likely than America's fall is increased globalization. National borders are nearly invisible lately, especially in the market. Trade between nations has gone above and beyond what many ever thought was possible. Improved communication, industrialization, and (for the most part) a new zeal in the prospect of capitalism should increase global production exponentially. I'm even more certain in this prediction than my other. China is more likely to begin this process sooner and become the predominant example, not necessarily dominant like in the other prediction. In any case, nobody knows for sure. I'm absolutely sure, though, that it has nothing to do with the lie about our dollar losing value. Q EDIT: Due to government intervention, the likelihood of any kind of severe depression is zilch. The most we're probably going to get is a nasty recession, like the kind we pulled out of recently. |
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And I think the opposite, America will one day fall when it loses all its allies and is forcibly removed as a main player... one day the EU will just pose sanctions on USA and place a full embargo while OPEC does the same, etcetera... clearly this won't happen anytime soon, but that's how its going to go down most likely
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Falcon, I don't understand why you would be offended by something like this. Eventually everything will come to an end. Just like the Earth my some day come to an end, however, that will be MANY MANY years from now but still, it will come to an end.
I, on the other hand, do think America will someday fall. It could be under the control of another country more powerful than us or some killer disease could come and wipe out a majority of us (very unlikely however). |
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Idiots R Us
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This is an example of both sides of the argument, yes its long, but hey its critical thinking.
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One has to wonder whether China's increasing industrialization and modernization will decrease the stability of the Communist government. Personally, I feel that China's economic and cultural changes will lead eventually to democratization and with that democratization, more regulations will be imposed on China's manufacturing centers, since currently China has none, and factories can pollute as much as they want. (China is the world's leading polluter).
As for whether China's rise means anything about America's fall... I doubt it. Personally I think America lacks a unity of vision. The salad bowl effect of all the ethnicities and cultures present creates too much argument about the direction the future should take. I think it is more likely that in the long run America will split apart, if it is to decline at all. The other possible future is one of increased global cooperation, in which larger nations merge themselves. I don't see this happening though until space colonization becomes feasible and one country alone can't fund it. Either way it is several centuries ahead of us. |
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I think it's ironic that America's intitial cause was Independence, and Q thinks that there is no cause anymore except bullshit causes, and he's all for Independence. He's living the dream.
And Q, you started a fight and then called him stupid. I enjoyed the first chunk of the conversation because I respect both sides. Yes, I think America will fall, but I also think that there's a stark lack in faith of the government. I honestly like our government, and so far, my personal freedoms? Perfectly fine. No restrictions over here. Mal
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wow, and to think i wasted my time reading that whole thing. Basically all it said was Q is smart. And falcon not so much. Although I could be biased because I heavily disagree when people say the media is to blame for what Falcon talked about (smoking, promiscuous sex, etc...). In fact there are so many FCC regulations on smoking, it's rediculous. As for why people are doing those things, in the example of sex, because they want to. Sex is a natural urge, and people want to fulfill that urge. They aren't doing it because movies show it in a stylized fashion. In fact I'd wager to say that back in the days before media was prevalent, or before media period, there was just as much if not more promiscuous sex going on. In fact I can almost gurantee it. I don't pay enough attention to politics to know much about the current rise, or prediction or rise for China, so I won't comment. Also falcon, why do you take ideas from parents and teachers if (according to you) most people are affected by the media, then won't they just be passing their 'media-corrupted' ideals onto you? Perhaps you should just not listen to what anyone says, sit in a corner, and play tic-tac-toe. At least then no one will be trying to tell you what to think. Pure idiocy.
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The lengths of me trying to be somewhat smart without applying too much of my braing power.
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Well, I'm glad this turned into a "Make Falcon Feel Dumb" thread as opposed to a Critical Thinking thread.
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whew. good thing the 2nd holocaust is over.....according to mal. Why did we choose that country, at that time? Sadaam wasn't tied to alquida, he didn't attack us, didn't have weapons of mass destruction. good war on terrorism.
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I'm sorry that it takes nothing short of a holocaust for someone to step in and say "Murdering your own people for voicing dissent is wrong". By all means, kill people that don't agree with you if you can get away with it!
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"Conventional wisdom would have one believe that it is insane to resist this, the mightest of empires...but what history really shows is that today's empire is tomorrow's ashes, that nothing lasts forever...."
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