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Old 03-29-2005, 01:27 AM   #1
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I found this post in another forum I go to. I know some of you will be interested in it, so I'm posting it here.



Huntingdon Life Sciences (HLS) is Europe’s largest contract animal testing laboratory.

They have about 70,000 animals on site, including rabbits, cats, hamsters, dogs, guinea-pigs, birds and monkeys. These animals are destined to suffer and die in cruel, useless experiments.

HLS will test anything for anybody. They carry out experiments which involve poisoning animals with household products, pesticides, drugs, herbicides, food colourings and additives, sweeteners and genetically modified organisms.

HLS have been infiltrated and exposed a number of times in recent years. Each time horrific evidence of animal abuse and staff incompetence has been uncovered, including workers punching beagle puppies in the face

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Old 03-29-2005, 11:42 AM   #2
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So, how is your personal crusade against one animal testing facility "critical thinking"? You didn't ask for opinions on animal cruelty, nor did you offer any interesting things for us to consider. This thread really shouldn't be here at all.

On the implied subject of the topic, I value my life above that of a thousand helpless animals. Maybe more, it is hard to say exactley where my personal tipping point is. Ultimately, no matter what animal rights activists and the like will say, any of them would kill animals senselessly to save their own lives, it's not that their bad people, its that self-preservation is a more primal instinct. On the basis of that, I am all for using animals as test subjects. Maybe not as test subjects for hair care products, but if there is the slightest chance it could save myself or someone I love then it is fine by me.

Also, you constantly hammer on what has been "exposed" on this place, but those people find only what will generate buzz. It would be unpopular for them to report about diseases cured through "mammal-slaughter", so they don't.
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Old 03-29-2005, 12:12 PM   #3
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Mead beat me to it, on a couple points.

First of all, I don't doubt that there are isolated incidents- maybe even semi-common incidents of animal cruelty. I'll bet just as surely that they're as common, proportional to the amount of animals and staff, at every animal testing site around the world. Just because we don't hear about them doesn't mean they don't happen. You know how the media loves a field day.

Furthermore, it sounds like the place has been doing some good as well. I mean, if they're the largest contractor in Europe, they've got to be producing results. If that's for shampoo, then by all means, close it down. But if they're doing cancer treatment tests on the dogs, then fuck 'em, I say. Harsh, but true. If it comes down to my getting cancer or sacrificing a hundred dogs for the possibility of a cure, then see ya, says I.

The problem with all of these "bleeding liberals", as I like to call them (inside joke) is that too many of them are too radical to be taken seriously. The ones who sleep outside of the testing facilities with dog suits on and shout in megaphones all day and all night. Too much sensationalism and too little facts. It would help if they had more documented evidence. Which, granted, is hard to come by, I understand- the company isn't exactly going to publish that stuff. But instead of closing down a highly successful facility, why not try to get them to reform? Put harsher penalties for abusers and more stringent rules for keeping them in check. Maybe spend a couple extra dollars to get some nicer kennels and better food.

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Old 03-29-2005, 05:08 PM   #4
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Well I must say, I like some animals, especially cats. I love cats. Love 'em love 'em love 'em. And I would go against malicious animal abuse wholeheartedly. And, for the sake of those little kitties I would hope that live animal testing that involved poisoning would be minimized as much as possible.

But as was mentioned before, human life is more valuable than animal life. If it is necessary to perform tests on animals in order to come closer to a discovery that would benefit all of mankind, it is definitely worth it.

Even so, by sound of that HLS place it seems like a line should be drawn. No amount of punching a beagle in the face with further any scientifically valuable cause, and an incompetent staff means there will be more unneccesary deaths and less accurate experiments. Owww... that it sickening. Almost as sickening as abortion. I do hope you stay consistent with your value of life.
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I am against animal cruelty, except toward geese.
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I know, what a shame. But I think bird metabolism is too fast for geese to be used exclusively in the cruel experiments. Forget the textbooks, I learned about bird metabolism firsthand through my experience with geese, if you know what I mean. They're evil.
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Punching beagle puppies in the face crossed the line!
Now time to go tell the nearest Cryps that these labs are the Head Quarters of Bloods,
And find the nearest Bloods and tell them that these labs are the Head Quarters of Cryps!
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Old 03-29-2005, 09:46 PM   #10
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GREAT GEESE STORY!!!!

OK, so there is this big pond about 1/10th of a mile from my Father's house. In the summer, THOUSANDS of geese flock to the area, including our backyard. As we all know, geese love to take many many #2s, and all over the place. So, my brother decided to take some action against the geese. He drew his BB-Shotgun and aimed (from inside the house, gun poking around the screen door to the backyard) at the head of a big fat one. He pumped it a few times to make sure there was enough pressure. BANG! He fires, and a small baby goose somehow walks in the way of the big goose and gets capped in the head. (I would like to give my brother the benefit of the doubt that his aim isn't that bad). The small annoying critter hits the ground and begins to spasm on the grass. My brother gets worried about the gosling and scurries away from the screen door back to the safe confines of the house. 20 minutes later, give or take, he goes back to check up on the epileptic baby poopmaker, only to find that it is magically gone.

I'm sure this is funnier when told live, as I nearly vomited my dinner after hearing this for the first time, that is how hard I was laughing. Regardless, score one for us against the geese!


On the matter at hand... (and sorry hun!), I say screw 'um. If it takes even 100,000 rats or cats or bats or mats or dogs or slogs or whatevers to cure a disease, I feel that 1 human life is more valuable than all those animals. Then again, I'm also for the euthanizing of the mentally challenged and extremely unproductive (brain dead, 100 years old, parapalegic, etc). With that, even shampoo is worth testing on animals. I don't want to buy some crazy hair care product that winds up burning half my scalp off. They need to be tested too.

Screw the animals. Damn cats keep eating my chicken.
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More like those cats keep BEING your chicken.

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More like those cats keep BEING your chicken.

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loled.

Anyways, there's a reason Bob Barker signs off with "And remember to have your pets spade or neutered." The reason being we've got more animals than we know what to do with. Most of which will die just as painfully in the wild, or on the streets, with no chance of having any positive effect on the human race. So either adopt a ton of cats, or say a prayer and go to bed.

Oh, and @ Tass and his geese story, I have a similar tale:

Me and some friends were out boating on Lake Michigan, and we were docking up to get some gas. There was a gaggle of ducks (what is a pack of ducks called? I'm pretty confident it's not a gaggle, but it got my point across), about 75-100 feet away, and a pile of stones about 3-4 feet away. Well, my sometimes crazy cousin/friend chucked one, I'm assuming just to scare them. But kerplunk, hits the biggest one right in the noggin, and down it goes. Doesn't move. It's dead. Some of the girls are pissed, most of the guys are laughing, but we continue to go to a local stand to buy some refreshments, when a lady in a nearby condo pokes her head out the window and just starts screaming about how we're all murderers, and she's calling the cops, and how we're all going to burn. It was pretty damn funny. Although probably, just like Tass' tale, best told in person, or experienced first-person.
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I am a vet student. As such, I have to dissect animals to find out how they work inside, and I have to do labs and internships (eventually) in places where stuff is tested on animals. Most places that do animal testing do have vets on hand to make sure that it's not inhumane (so far as that goes when you're squirting toxic stuff in some bunny's eye) and that the animals are euthanized humanely when they are too sick to be useful.

I don't condone it wholeheartedly--a lot of the animals being used are not anywhere near similar enough to humans for much of the testing to make a difference--but I do see its usefulness and the necessity for it in some fields (ie, medicine). I guess in the long run I would rather see a cure for cancer (which we at least will know works on the DOGS, yay for the vets and for me) even if it does take the lives of many animals.

I do agree with Tass though, and I wrote a huge big paper on this for a bunch of ethics/philosophy/english courses: the quality of a person's life (or an animal's) is more important than the quantity of it. I am all for human euthanasia, especially if the person actually asks to go quietly or to NOT live as a demented/vegetable-like/really sick person. In this one way, we're an awful lot nicer to our sick dogs and cats than we are to our sick grandparents, aren't we?

A side note: Geese suck. And pigeons are like rats with wings, except that rats are actually cute. Tass kicked a pigeon once, and I thought it was great when he told me...too bad I wasn't there to see. And my giant Bengal Tiger Frodo (he's just a cat, but that's his breed and his coloring and he's HUGE, almost 15 lbs of pure muscle) hunts and eats all the pigeons my grandfather raises. That's just awesome.
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You know what the sad thing is? Many animal humane societies attempt to attack every single animal problem, yet what about the human problems? You think there aren't PEOPLE being brutalized in places? People forget that there are larger things at stake.

That doesn't mean I don't care about animals. I love animals, but between a human in need and an animal in need, I'll help the human first. The problem is that there are animal humane societies that would let a human die to save an animal.

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A boa constrictor was around the body of a pregnant woman, and starting to squeeze the life out of her. To save her life, and the life of her unborn child, a fireman cut the snake in two. The fireman was later sued. (I don't know the outcome of the lawsuit.) But the point is that AHS's would rather have that woman AND HER CHILD squeezed to death, so that the snake will live.

I don't mind people who have problems with this, but I do have problems with people who make it their mission to save any animal possible. Nature is brutal. In the wild, it is: Starve, Kill, or be killed. I bet most of those animal humane societers have never seen a lioness toy with a young, screaming wildabeast.
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My dad is on PETA's hit list. XDXDXD

Oh, and my friend Shin stepped on a pidgeon when he was in Germany. Awesome.
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I do agree with Tass though, and I wrote a huge big paper on this for a bunch of ethics/philosophy/english courses: the quality of a person's life (or an animal's) is more important than the quantity of it. I am all for human euthanasia, especially if the person actually asks to go quietly or to NOT live as a demented/vegetable-like/really sick person. In this one way, we're an awful lot nicer to our sick dogs and cats than we are to our sick grandparents, aren't we?
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What does Charlie have to do with this?
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I read that in seventh grade.

LOL HE'S RETARDED :O!:O !:O!:O!:O!
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Qreepy, this is CT. Post that crap in the gbin.
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Why, Charlie has everything to do with this. It came to a point where they were testing on both the animal and the human, only for a while the animal was doing things like the maze faster than the human. So, who was more cruel to test on? And were they taking advantage of Charlie's retardedness so that he could agree for them to test on him like an animal without him really knowing the risks?

I guess that kind of moves off topic a bit, though.
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