We Better Get Good at Life Quick

zildjian133 · 01-7-2005, 05:55 AM

If the universe is just an infinite energy source that rebuilds matter randomly and has no real purpose, then we are here for one reason. To be a force. Everything the universe has created is all about actions and reactions, so why is human life here? Can we seriously make that big a difference in the universe? If we're here as an infinite source and our only purpose here is to do whatever we're going to do(collectly against the universe) we'd only be here to make another being that has our destructive qualities...

Oh and if you're wondering how I get the universe being an infinite energy source that rebuilds matter randomly I guess I'll tell you: The theory I know of the big bang is that it explodes or does whatever it does to form planets in an outward motion. As soon as the galaxies slowly slow down and finally halt they have no where else to go except back to the original gravity force that created it. So then all of the universe crashes back together and makes another big bang... Rearranges matter and either we're an extreme mishap of physics or... we aren't... The universe holds our existense's purposes.

Oh well. I attempted, please feedback any kinda of theories/big bang/life/purpose. Please inform me if theres anything wrong or anything you think differently about.

PS. Where's Cenright to tell me why the human race exists? I bet he could sum it up in one sentence...

**Tasselfoot** · 01-7-2005, 08:08 AM

well, your collapsing universe theory is one of the possibilities of a big bang, the expanding universe is another... but, from the experiments that have taken place already, it appears that our universe is neither. if it were a collapsing universe, we'd see signs... if it were an expanding universe, all solar systems would be VERY far apart from each other and would continue to do so. our big bang led universe is stable... aka, not collapsing nor greatly expanding. it IS expanding, but at a rate that is constant, not exponentially like it would be in an expanding universe. there is an excellent book on the possibilities to why this is, called Faster Than the Speed of Light, it deals with VSL theory as an explanation of lots of current unsolved issues. its good, but be wary... it disagrees with the single most fundamental law of physics, a constant speed of light.

zildjian133 · 01-7-2005, 08:32 AM

The only thing that gets to me, is that it's so much more easier to believe that than in God...

EDIT: My friend said something one time to me that was so simple but that made so much sense about how anything could be infinite: " The human mind simply cannot understand infinite even though it obviously exists."
^ I know probably most of you know that already ^

buttonkiller · 01-7-2005, 12:39 PM

you people make me feel dumber and dumber every day...oh well im only an 8th grader

jazzmosis · 01-7-2005, 06:19 PM

It's not exactly necessary we're here to be a force.. it is possible that we are just here, no purpose, no direction. And we seek so much to find direction, meaning in an otherwise meaningless existence.

Not that I believe it, but I do support it.

QreepyBORIS · 01-7-2005, 06:45 PM

Uhm.

Astronomy has shown that almost every god damned thing is on a red shift to us. Basically only Andromeda has a SLIGHT blue shift.

The universe, if the doppler effect is correct, which it is, is expanding.

At an accelerating rate, too! That, of course, is a bit more tricky to explain.

zildjian133 · 01-7-2005, 07:03 PM

Don't you have to speed up to slow down? If you weren't accelerating at one point theres no way to move...

rockwjz · 01-9-2005, 11:45 AM

correct, but who defines the art of movement? Slow could be fast, or fast could be slow!

Charlotte21 · 01-13-2005, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by QreepyBORIS

Uhm.

Astronomy has shown that almost every god damned thing is on a red shift to us. Basically only Andromeda has a SLIGHT blue shift.

The universe, if the doppler effect is correct, which it is, is expanding.

At an accelerating rate, too! That, of course, is a bit more tricky to explain.

Correct me here, Qreepy, because I am no scientist, but then wouldn't eventually the universe run out of the energy from the big bang that is expanding it and just freeze. Everything would eventually freeze to absolute zero?

It's my understanding that life can't exist at absolute zero, so in thereoy, we are bound to die, and the universe is bound to become freezing and motionless, right? No probably not, but tell me where I'm wrong.

I would like to think that life would last forever, even if just repeating.

GuidoHunter · 01-13-2005, 05:18 PM

Charlotte, the big bang is the epitome of infinity and contained infinite matter and energy, so there's no quantity to deplete. Energy is constantly being locally converted and reconverted into different forms, so when one energy-giving source runs out, its energy and mass goes toward the growth of a new star. That happens everywhere in the universe, and due to the fact that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, the amount of energy in the universe remains static, and there is no freeze. The only thing that would happen would be the localities drifting further and further away from each other.

rock, such a question is ridiculous. All measurements are made from our human, earthly reference frame, and anything else is just worthless to consider.

zild, you do have to speed up in order to slow down but that doesn't mean you have to slow down.
Why is human life here? Cosmic coincidence? The Anthropic Principle?
One more thing...I don't understand how this idea and the existence of God are mutually exclusive. The two work together quite nicely for me. Plus, the question of "What started the big bang?" is always on mind.

Tassel, I've heard that the universe is expanding, static, and contracting, all from relatively credible sources, so I'm not going to believe one way or another on that matter, though I guess I do lean towards an expansionary universe..

--Guido

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maelzo · 01-13-2005, 10:50 PM

I agree with Guido. Personally some form of God fits nicely into the cosmic plan. That doesn't mean I'm against evolution either. Not all of the Bible is to be taken literally. This is evidenced in the fact that Genesis has two different creation stories (yes 2. If you you're curious ask and I'll explain. I was a Religion major for two semesters and now just minor in it). So evolution does not go against Christianity just some people's personal beliefs.

But on the other side of the coin if there is no God than human life has no purpose that is any different from that of any other animals: survive and carry on the species. We just happen to be doing a lot better than the other species cuz we're better.

As for the expanse of the universe according to my astronomy professor from last semester there are three main theories. A) the universe will continue to expand until it reaches a point where it is stretched too much and will snap like a rubber band. B) the universe will continue to expand forever. C) the universe will expand until it runs out of steam and will forever remain at that size.

GuidoHunter · 01-13-2005, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by maelzo

C) the universe will expand until it runs out of steam and will forever remain at that size.

But that would just mean that the acceleration would tend to zero, so the universe would continually expand, just at a constant rate. If the universe stops expanding it will contract due to the nonzero gravitational moment at the edges of the universe.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

maelzo · 01-13-2005, 11:08 PM

All I know is what Dr. Rossberg told us. Granted that is the most unlikely...that's why I put it as option C. But then again, the initial expansion of the universe was greater than C so the laws of physics as we know them was broken by the universe once. Why not again?

**alainbryden** · 01-14-2005, 04:36 AM

About the universe just freezing comment, this would not happen. The universe is accellerating outwards, and that takes energy. If there were no energy left, it stops accellerating, but it keeps on moving. This is simply explained by newtons laws of motion. It takes energy (force) to cause an object to speed up or slow down. As soon as you remove all forces (energy) acting on that object, it continues at whatever velocity it was left at.

maelzo · 01-14-2005, 08:15 AM

I agree with you completely. That theory doesn't make sense to me either. And Dr. Rossberg even told us it was the most doubtful and not many agreed with it. But it is a current theory that some hold and I figured I might as well include it for any that were curious and let them decide which they like best. I don't really concern myself with it cuz whatever happens will be after I'm gone.

Charlotte21 · 01-14-2005, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by alainbryden

About the universe just freezing comment, this would not happen. The universe is accellerating outwards, and that takes energy. If there were no energy left, it stops accellerating, but it keeps on moving. This is simply explained by newtons laws of motion. It takes energy (force) to cause an object to speed up or slow down. As soon as you remove all forces (energy) acting on that object, it continues at whatever velocity it was left at.

I came up with the thought on my own, so chances are it's incorrect. I didn't believe it did, I just wanted clarification.

But nonetheless, but if it keeps expanding, energy is being spread out, and therefore based on that though you would assume the parts with less energy would freeze. This is where I made my thought.

<3Charlotte

01-7-2005, 05:55 AM	#1
zildjian133 FFR Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: LOMG LOCATION@HERE Posts: 1,138	We Better Get Good at Life Quick If the universe is just an infinite energy source that rebuilds matter randomly and has no real purpose, then we are here for one reason. To be a force. Everything the universe has created is all about actions and reactions, so why is human life here? Can we seriously make that big a difference in the universe? If we're here as an infinite source and our only purpose here is to do whatever we're going to do(collectly against the universe) we'd only be here to make another being that has our destructive qualities... Oh and if you're wondering how I get the universe being an infinite energy source that rebuilds matter randomly I guess I'll tell you: The theory I know of the big bang is that it explodes or does whatever it does to form planets in an outward motion. As soon as the galaxies slowly slow down and finally halt they have no where else to go except back to the original gravity force that created it. So then all of the universe crashes back together and makes another big bang... Rearranges matter and either we're an extreme mishap of physics or... we aren't... The universe holds our existense's purposes. Oh well. I attempted, please feedback any kinda of theories/big bang/life/purpose. Please inform me if theres anything wrong or anything you think differently about. PS. Where's Cenright to tell me why the human race exists? I bet he could sum it up in one sentence... __________________

01-7-2005, 08:08 AM	#2
Tasselfoot Retired BOSS Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Widget Heaven Age: 42 Posts: 25,185	RE: We Better Get Good at Life Quick well, your collapsing universe theory is one of the possibilities of a big bang, the expanding universe is another... but, from the experiments that have taken place already, it appears that our universe is neither. if it were a collapsing universe, we'd see signs... if it were an expanding universe, all solar systems would be VERY far apart from each other and would continue to do so. our big bang led universe is stable... aka, not collapsing nor greatly expanding. it IS expanding, but at a rate that is constant, not exponentially like it would be in an expanding universe. there is an excellent book on the possibilities to why this is, called Faster Than the Speed of Light, it deals with VSL theory as an explanation of lots of current unsolved issues. its good, but be wary... it disagrees with the single most fundamental law of physics, a constant speed of light. __________________ RIP

01-7-2005, 08:32 AM	#3
zildjian133 FFR Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: LOMG LOCATION@HERE Posts: 1,138	RE: We Better Get Good at Life Quick The only thing that gets to me, is that it's so much more easier to believe that than in God... EDIT: My friend said something one time to me that was so simple but that made so much sense about how anything could be infinite: " The human mind simply cannot understand infinite even though it obviously exists." ^ I know probably most of you know that already ^ __________________

01-7-2005, 12:39 PM	#4
buttonkiller FFR Player Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: liek omgz!!! Posts: 194	RE: We Better Get Good at Life Quick you people make me feel dumber and dumber every day...oh well im only an 8th grader

01-7-2005, 06:45 PM	#6
QreepyBORIS FFR Player Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: It is a mystery. Age: 35 Posts: 7,454	RE: We Better Get Good at Life Quick Uhm. Astronomy has shown that almost every god damned thing is on a red shift to us. Basically only Andromeda has a SLIGHT blue shift. The universe, if the doppler effect is correct, which it is, is expanding. At an accelerating rate, too! That, of course, is a bit more tricky to explain. __________________ Signature subject to change. THE ZERRRRRG.

01-7-2005, 07:03 PM	#7
zildjian133 FFR Player Join Date: May 2003 Location: LOMG LOCATION@HERE Posts: 1,138	RE: We Better Get Good at Life Quick Don't you have to speed up to slow down? If you weren't accelerating at one point theres no way to move... __________________

01-9-2005, 11:45 AM	#8
rockwjz FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 18	RE: We Better Get Good at Life Quick correct, but who defines the art of movement? Slow could be fast, or fast could be slow!

01-13-2005, 10:50 PM	#11
maelzo FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 23	I agree with Guido. Personally some form of God fits nicely into the cosmic plan. That doesn't mean I'm against evolution either. Not all of the Bible is to be taken literally. This is evidenced in the fact that Genesis has two different creation stories (yes 2. If you you're curious ask and I'll explain. I was a Religion major for two semesters and now just minor in it). So evolution does not go against Christianity just some people's personal beliefs. But on the other side of the coin if there is no God than human life has no purpose that is any different from that of any other animals: survive and carry on the species. We just happen to be doing a lot better than the other species cuz we're better. As for the expanse of the universe according to my astronomy professor from last semester there are three main theories. A) the universe will continue to expand until it reaches a point where it is stretched too much and will snap like a rubber band. B) the universe will continue to expand forever. C) the universe will expand until it runs out of steam and will forever remain at that size. __________________ You and I are mortal but Rock&Roll will never die!

01-13-2005, 11:08 PM	#13
maelzo FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 23	All I know is what Dr. Rossberg told us. Granted that is the most unlikely...that's why I put it as option C. But then again, the initial expansion of the universe was greater than C so the laws of physics as we know them was broken by the universe once. Why not again? __________________ You and I are mortal but Rock&Roll will never die!

01-14-2005, 04:36 AM	#14
alainbryden Seen your member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: noitacoL Posts: 2,873	About the universe just freezing comment, this would not happen. The universe is accellerating outwards, and that takes energy. If there were no energy left, it stops accellerating, but it keeps on moving. This is simply explained by newtons laws of motion. It takes energy (force) to cause an object to speed up or slow down. As soon as you remove all forces (energy) acting on that object, it continues at whatever velocity it was left at. __________________ ~NEIGH

01-14-2005, 08:15 AM	#15
maelzo FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 23	I agree with you completely. That theory doesn't make sense to me either. And Dr. Rossberg even told us it was the most doubtful and not many agreed with it. But it is a current theory that some hold and I figured I might as well include it for any that were curious and let them decide which they like best. I don't really concern myself with it cuz whatever happens will be after I'm gone. __________________ You and I are mortal but Rock&Roll will never die!

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