SELL your Children

blahblah18 · 11-3-2004, 10:11 AM

ok, i'm saying this in seriousness, and before you flame it, look at a couple of the points I'm going to list, and give me viable coutnerexamples... I'll even post some of the counterexamples and refute them right here

Being given monetary compensation for giving up your child is beneficial to society for several reasons...
Reason 1: The majority of abortions and kids given up for adoption is due to the prohibitive cost of raising and having a child, Not the age of the mother.. with this in light, we are offering at least a monetary compensation to people that need the money, and also help get the kid to a better home where they can be taken care of.

Reason 2: We as a society do NOT want a person that would sell their kid to raise one! If you care so little for your child that you would rather sell him/her then keep him/her, you aren't the parent we want raising a child anyways in our society. So we are doing the child a favor by bringing it into a family that will love it versus one that couldn't care less.

Counter-examples : where do we get the money from? 2 Solutions, one, the government, its a form of a tax break for the poorest. Two, adoption agencies pay... because right now, they get kids for free, and then sell them for thousands of dollars... Their overhead could very easily support having to pay a stipend for the child.

next counter example: People will turn it into a business. There is no chance of that if you think in terms of economics. The amount of time, manpower, and work involved in bringing a baby to life woudl far outweigh any amount of money that would be given, so Its fairly baseless

I have more, but I'll keep it at this for now...
Let the uninformed start flaming

Kefit · 11-3-2004, 10:49 AM

Often times the birth parent of a child put up for adoption will recieve some form of monetary compensation.

ImEric12 · 11-3-2004, 01:37 PM

People would just have babies left and right to make money, instead of leaving the service to those who truly need it. Generally, and sort of mercy offered to the American people is raped, then thoroughly beaten with a baseball bat before it can come to much use.

blahblah18 · 11-3-2004, 03:42 PM

Well as I said above, the amoutn of work needed to make a baby is nowhere near the worth of the baby

The_Q · 11-3-2004, 04:56 PM

It would only really work well if it did become a business. Otherwise, people would eventually lose interest and just kill the child instead of raise it. If it does become a business then we have human farms growing everywhere. This could mean poor living conditions. Also, the business would only succeed if the child was priced at a fairly high rate, thus increasing the cost of "adoption."

Wow, sounds like slave trade. As long as the child is treated with respect, as well as it's parents, I'm ok with a slave trade system like this.

Q

blahblah18 · 11-3-2004, 05:10 PM

I know you would be, but that's the poitn I'm asaying.. I'm setting the prices to make it economically infeasible for slave farms to exist.. this is soelly to make bad parents not be parents

blahblah18 · 11-3-2004, 06:05 PM

its brilliant, its only horrible if you take it at face value.. read the points, and refute them please

this is more an exercise in showing that you can defend accurately most naything if you can think hard enough

**Moogy** · 11-3-2004, 06:12 PM

I don't need to refute the points. It's an absolutely absurd idea to begin with.

IAMTHEEVILBEAN · 11-3-2004, 06:43 PM

Worst idea ever. Then you would have a bunch of black / gangsters becoming rich from having sex with random people. SUP STDs.

blahblah18 · 11-3-2004, 06:46 PM

you woudl get like 1000 dollars for a kid, its practically nothing, and definately not worth 9 months of pregnancy

SUSUGAM · 11-3-2004, 06:58 PM

I say the system should apply to rape victems only...

The_Q · 11-3-2004, 07:24 PM

No, it should be an alternative to abortion. And it wouldn't work too well if it the slave farm prices are feasible. That would mean the children would go straight into adoptive homes where they'd have bad "parents" as their owners. It screws itself if the prices are set too low for selling.

If you make it 1000 bucks per kid sold to the system, though. That would discourage the farms as well. I think it's a great system, but 1k per kid somehow still seems low. If I was even more greedy than my green little butt already is, I'd want more for the fruit of my loins.

Q

ImEric12 · 11-3-2004, 08:03 PM

Rape is very hard to proove these days.. I've said abortion only for rape cases, but then all girls that don't want to have a baby just say that they were raped, whether they actually gave consent. It's an almost sure win.

blahblah18 · 11-3-2004, 08:05 PM

nono you can't sell directly to other famililes, unless we're counting about possibilities of all illegal actions, but that shouldn't dictate laws. Selling a kid directly to a parent is a black market system, I"m saying sell to an adoption agency, and then you have the system already set up for adopting a kid, which includes rigorous background checks, checkups for the next 18 months, and the cost is jacked to aroudn 6,000 dolalrs for purchase.. make sense Q?

Anticrombie0909 · 11-3-2004, 08:21 PM

y helo ther aids n syfilis how r u 2 day

blahblah18 · 11-3-2004, 08:35 PM

wow noen of your posts ever make sense, no one is going to have sex to make money from these kids... it is just a way to provide moeny to those that need it, make better parents, and as a side-effect cut significantly down on abortions if you happen to be pro-life, yet still leaves the choec of an abortion for those that want it... its all about its viability in the marketplace

QreepyBORIS · 11-3-2004, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blahblah18

wow noen of your posts ever make sense, no one is going to have sex to make money from these kids

Nobody donates sperm for $1500, either.

blahblah18 · 11-3-2004, 09:09 PM

sperm is about 150 bucks if that, and no one has a problem with that.. but its because jacking off takes less then 9 months

The_Q · 11-3-2004, 11:03 PM

Your plan makes more than sense, blah, but the agencies would eventually make it so it would be economical to become a business.

And jacking off also has an infinate amount of sperm. There are only so many eggs in a woman, but men can lose as many sperm as they want and still have a supply left.

Q

blahblah18 · 11-3-2004, 11:10 PM

another good point, i don't think it would ever become economical, because then other things that have moeny woudl have businesses attached to them, and there just aren't.. I dont' see how if the government sets a price that is below what any overhead could possibly be that a business could ensue

11-3-2004, 10:11 AM	#1
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	SELL your Children ok, i'm saying this in seriousness, and before you flame it, look at a couple of the points I'm going to list, and give me viable coutnerexamples... I'll even post some of the counterexamples and refute them right here Being given monetary compensation for giving up your child is beneficial to society for several reasons... Reason 1: The majority of abortions and kids given up for adoption is due to the prohibitive cost of raising and having a child, Not the age of the mother.. with this in light, we are offering at least a monetary compensation to people that need the money, and also help get the kid to a better home where they can be taken care of. Reason 2: We as a society do NOT want a person that would sell their kid to raise one! If you care so little for your child that you would rather sell him/her then keep him/her, you aren't the parent we want raising a child anyways in our society. So we are doing the child a favor by bringing it into a family that will love it versus one that couldn't care less. Counter-examples : where do we get the money from? 2 Solutions, one, the government, its a form of a tax break for the poorest. Two, adoption agencies pay... because right now, they get kids for free, and then sell them for thousands of dollars... Their overhead could very easily support having to pay a stipend for the child. next counter example: People will turn it into a business. There is no chance of that if you think in terms of economics. The amount of time, manpower, and work involved in bringing a baby to life woudl far outweigh any amount of money that would be given, so Its fairly baseless I have more, but I'll keep it at this for now... Let the uninformed start flaming

11-3-2004, 01:37 PM	#3
ImEric12 FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Next to Hooker Land. :o Posts: 1,952	People would just have babies left and right to make money, instead of leaving the service to those who truly need it. Generally, and sort of mercy offered to the American people is raped, then thoroughly beaten with a baseball bat before it can come to much use. __________________

11-3-2004, 03:42 PM	#4
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	Well as I said above, the amoutn of work needed to make a baby is nowhere near the worth of the baby __________________ but for now... postCount++

11-3-2004, 05:10 PM	#6
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	I know you would be, but that's the poitn I'm asaying.. I'm setting the prices to make it economically infeasible for slave farms to exist.. this is soelly to make bad parents not be parents __________________ but for now... postCount++

11-3-2004, 06:05 PM	#7
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	its brilliant, its only horrible if you take it at face value.. read the points, and refute them please this is more an exercise in showing that you can defend accurately most naything if you can think hard enough __________________ but for now... postCount++

11-3-2004, 10:49 AM	#2
Kefit FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,517	Often times the birth parent of a child put up for adoption will recieve some form of monetary compensation.

11-3-2004, 04:56 PM	#5
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 36 Posts: 4,391	It would only really work well if it did become a business. Otherwise, people would eventually lose interest and just kill the child instead of raise it. If it does become a business then we have human farms growing everywhere. This could mean poor living conditions. Also, the business would only succeed if the child was priced at a fairly high rate, thus increasing the cost of "adoption." Wow, sounds like slave trade. As long as the child is treated with respect, as well as it's parents, I'm ok with a slave trade system like this. Q

11-3-2004, 06:12 PM	#8
Moogy 嗚呼 Join Date: Aug 2003 Age: 36 Posts: 10,303	I don't need to refute the points. It's an absolutely absurd idea to begin with. __________________ Plz visit my blog ^^^ vintage signature from like 2006 preserved

11-3-2004, 06:43 PM	#9
IAMTHEEVILBEAN FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 3,078	Worst idea ever. Then you would have a bunch of black / gangsters becoming rich from having sex with random people. SUP STDs.

11-3-2004, 06:46 PM	#10
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	you woudl get like 1000 dollars for a kid, its practically nothing, and definately not worth 9 months of pregnancy __________________ but for now... postCount++

11-3-2004, 06:58 PM	#11
SUSUGAM FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 69	I say the system should apply to rape victems only...

11-3-2004, 07:24 PM	#12
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 36 Posts: 4,391	No, it should be an alternative to abortion. And it wouldn't work too well if it the slave farm prices are feasible. That would mean the children would go straight into adoptive homes where they'd have bad "parents" as their owners. It screws itself if the prices are set too low for selling. If you make it 1000 bucks per kid sold to the system, though. That would discourage the farms as well. I think it's a great system, but 1k per kid somehow still seems low. If I was even more greedy than my green little butt already is, I'd want more for the fruit of my loins. Q

11-3-2004, 08:03 PM	#13
ImEric12 FFR Player Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Next to Hooker Land. :o Posts: 1,952	Rape is very hard to proove these days.. I've said abortion only for rape cases, but then all girls that don't want to have a baby just say that they were raped, whether they actually gave consent. It's an almost sure win. __________________

11-3-2004, 08:05 PM	#14
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	nono you can't sell directly to other famililes, unless we're counting about possibilities of all illegal actions, but that shouldn't dictate laws. Selling a kid directly to a parent is a black market system, I"m saying sell to an adoption agency, and then you have the system already set up for adopting a kid, which includes rigorous background checks, checkups for the next 18 months, and the cost is jacked to aroudn 6,000 dolalrs for purchase.. make sense Q? __________________ but for now... postCount++

11-3-2004, 08:21 PM	#15
Anticrombie0909 FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 4,683	y helo ther aids n syfilis how r u 2 day

11-3-2004, 08:35 PM	#16
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	wow noen of your posts ever make sense, no one is going to have sex to make money from these kids... it is just a way to provide moeny to those that need it, make better parents, and as a side-effect cut significantly down on abortions if you happen to be pro-life, yet still leaves the choec of an abortion for those that want it... its all about its viability in the marketplace __________________ but for now... postCount++

11-3-2004, 09:09 PM	#18
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	sperm is about 150 bucks if that, and no one has a problem with that.. but its because jacking off takes less then 9 months __________________ but for now... postCount++

11-3-2004, 11:03 PM	#19
The_Q FFR Player Join Date: May 2004 Location: Columbus, OH Age: 36 Posts: 4,391	Your plan makes more than sense, blah, but the agencies would eventually make it so it would be economical to become a business. And jacking off also has an infinate amount of sperm. There are only so many eggs in a woman, but men can lose as many sperm as they want and still have a supply left. Q

11-3-2004, 11:10 PM	#20
blahblah18 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NOW BLAHTOPIA Posts: 1,662	another good point, i don't think it would ever become economical, because then other things that have moeny woudl have businesses attached to them, and there just aren't.. I dont' see how if the government sets a price that is below what any overhead could possibly be that a business could ensue __________________ but for now... postCount++

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