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Old 09-5-2004, 10:49 PM   #1
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Now i know some people dont belive in god/jesus and all that, but there are still some things people should take into consideration, like the 10 commandments. Even if you dont do it for the reason of God, it will still make you a better person. Now i know Ever body lies, but you may not belive this, but i belive in not having sex until your married, or if you KNOW FOR A FACT you love someone, not just on the second date.

So im not saying"belive in god" but im saying maybe the world would be better if they took these things into consideration.
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Old 09-5-2004, 11:24 PM   #2
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I have to agree with your point. I don't believe in a God even though I'm Catholic by religion, but I do still belive that people should follow some basic moral rules like the 10 commandments.
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Old 09-6-2004, 02:50 PM   #3
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yeah i agree totally ive sorta followed those and i think im a better person than all my christian friends that are all homophobic and racist i beleive jesus existed but i dont beleive in a god
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OK... Or you could skip your whole little shpeal and say, "Have morals."

Now, I don't want to start some kind of flame war, but personally, i think religion, or at least the 10 commandments, are morals that are laid out for people that cant come up with their own kinds of morals...

For example... I am non-religious, but I also dont care about the 10 commandments... BUT, I am a good person because of the morals I believe in, and it has nothing to do with the 10 commandments...

Just some more food for thought...
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Old 09-6-2004, 03:37 PM   #5
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Old 09-6-2004, 03:45 PM   #6
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Old 09-6-2004, 06:14 PM   #7
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Old 09-6-2004, 06:15 PM   #8
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Old 09-6-2004, 06:40 PM   #9
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Morals are indisposable. Morality is a necessity for a healthy society. We can thank religion mostly for this integration of morals into human culture. Religion doesn't just say "Don't do this" or "You should do that" like law regulations, although many people see religious commandments as this kind of law. Religion instills a fear of a higher being, therefore giving a reason for its laws. If someone told you not to do something, they will most likely do it anyways; but if someone who is supposedly all-powerful, all-knowing, and all that other stuff 'said' to follow these rules, it will most likely carry with it a better respect for these laws.

Now, I am an Atheist, but I'm not for the abolishment of religion. For some people, it is necessary to have this fear of God in order to keep them from being a nusance to society. I'm not saying that every religious person cannot be moral without religion, but some people can't. Even some religious people don't follow the rules. Actually, I don't personally know of anyone that has never broken a commandment (or other religious law) in some way, shape, or form. But, it comes to reason that, if you truly do believe--with all of your heart--that God exists (and can punish you eternally, if he truly wishes), then why do you break these commandments? Oh, but God is infinitely forgiving (for most religions) so it's OK to break them, because in the end, he will forgive you. How do we know this? Aren't the ways of God unknowable by human minds? If people really did believe, with all their hearts--without doubt whatsoever--and if they thought about the consequences that might happen, then we would have an even better society today.

If you are a truly good person, you don't necessarily need religion to guide you--but that's not to say that you don't have one. If everyone realized how important having morals is to society, then maybe we would live in a better world, with better people. I encourage everyone to consider every consequence before they act--including myself--because people with hearts are people with smarts (usually...).

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Old 09-6-2004, 08:55 PM   #10
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Old 09-6-2004, 09:11 PM   #11
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NonExistantOne, I'll tell you how we know this. It's all faith. Entirely faith.

Now, to my point of view. I do question God's commandments. I honestly do, and I do repent for them, but I continue to do it. Why? His son, in my opinion said it's ok. I just like being able to try to understand his purpose.

I also think that you're right in the fact that we have to have morals in order to keep a calm society. It just bugs me, though, when the morals are being moral for the sake of it. When there's a lack of logic, I'm bothered. Now, this is where it starts to get interestin. I also believe in economics as a way to decide on how things should be done in your life, both major and minor, but sometimes the ideals clash. This is where I look to the Bible to make sure what I'm doing is not wrong. That's what got me thinking about this. If there is a purpose to the morals and they both wish for you to do the common good, why do they clash? Could one be just a moral for the sake of it?

I don't know. I guess I don't have enough faith.

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Old 09-6-2004, 09:53 PM   #12
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Old 09-6-2004, 10:05 PM   #13
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Haha, Chardish. Brings me back to my MINDSTORM days. Or whatever that riddle game was called.

God commanded "Do not covet your neighbor's knicknacks". What the fuck? That's the basis of economy. Jesus.

I forgot most of the other commandments, but I'm sure there's something wrong with most of them.
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Old 09-6-2004, 10:15 PM   #14
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The big J-boi made my car breakdown infront of Carls Jr. instead of out in the middle of nowhere Desert Hot Springs. Propz be to the J-boi.
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Old 09-6-2004, 10:30 PM   #15
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morals could have been anything, hell we could have been here and just started killing each other and that would be allowed if it were going on for a long enough time. So the whole moral thing is complicated. but if you live your life right by todays morals it would be even better

besides. if everybody in the world lived a perfect life that would suck
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If there is such a thing as a perfect life, everyone would live it.

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Old 09-7-2004, 04:04 PM   #17
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I just came up for a new theory on why there is religion. ok here goes...

Now in a man or womans life he/she was just seeing all this craziness, toatal anarchy. One day he/she decided to tell people about an all mighty one, then with his/her followers started to go around telling everyone about this "god" and how they would be punished for their bad doings.
After a very LONG time this "god" started to change with the changing people, and thats why there are many different religions around the world.

That is just a basic version of it
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Old 09-7-2004, 04:16 PM   #18
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I just don't like the strict, rigid structure of most religion; it seems like people tell you what you should believe in. I think you should be taught in several different kinds of religion, then make up your own mind. I've seen too many people get brainwashed at a young age that you should praise God, pray every x hours, pray before each meal, do this, do that, and that the verses in the Bible mean such and such and you should follow them. Maybe the parents are such stalwart religious types that they couldn't stand their offspring following another religion because they'll be doomed to hell for all eternity. In that case, fine, do what you want, but I think people should be allowed an open mind until they have the ability to think for themselves.
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I just don't like the strict, rigid structure of most religion; it seems like people tell you what you should believe in. I think you should be taught in several different kinds of religion, then make up your own mind. I've seen too many people get brainwashed at a young age that you should praise God, pray every x hours, pray before each meal, do this, do that, and that the verses in the Bible mean such and such and you should follow them. Maybe the parents are such stalwart religious types that they couldn't stand their offspring following another religion because they'll be doomed to hell for all eternity. In that case, fine, do what you want, but I think people should be allowed an open mind until they have the ability to think for themselves.
my parents were kinda like that, they didnt teach me religion but didnt teach me to not be religious. now if I wanted to be I would be religious i would be

and what do yall think of my theory? does it make sense?
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It made sense the day it was presented to my in 1st grade, but it seems wrong now...I don't know why. Give me a while and I'll be on it. I think it has to do with the man/woman thing. That's insane political correctness. Men would have not only made but dominated religion.

Which reminds me as to why it's wrong. Religion wasn't just MADE. To have religion you have to have society, which means a food surplus and specialized workers. Some of the specialized workers would have been priests or other religious figures. In short, religion is the government at first, it dictates how a culture lives at times of peace, but religion does other things. One of the main reasons it exists is the endorse wars. This would work basically the same way patriotism would, but it would be patriotism to one's religion rather than nationality (Crusades). Religion might have been made to make sense of the world, but I honestly think that it's how politics and centralized government began.

I am a Christian, and I consider myself quite pious. My main example of worship is all over these forums, worshiping God with my mind. I want to know more about the world that he lay out before me, and I think that he's ok with that. One thing I love about my denomination of Chrisitanity is that it has no limits. You can believe what you want, state it out loud, and nobody will tell you otherwise. It's what is refered to as the most liberal of all the denominations and I encourage everyone to come and check us out.

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