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Old 07-26-2004, 12:08 PM   #1
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All right, being a 14-year-old Christian automatically makes me a young Christian.

I opened up an Oswald Chambers book to where my mom had been reading this morning, and it told me to take a look at Matthew 7. It says, "(1)Do not judge, or you too will be judged. (2)For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged... (3) Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"

Says Chambers, "The Holy Spirit is the only one in the proper position to criticize, and He alone is able to show what is wrong without hurting and wounding. It is impossible to enter fellowship with God when you are in a critical mood."

So there you have it. You may not have heard of me, because I still haven't found a good avatar, but those of you who do know that I am among the most critical people on here. But on top of that, I've called myself a Christian. That is wrong for me to do because I have not done a very good job representing other Christians, failing in the simplest and most basic of our principles.

I don't criticize people off the internet much. Coming on here gives me the opportunity to write, and when I write to others, I seem to cause a lot of damage. That’s why this is my last post here, at least until I can make God proud on the forums. I'm going to remove the plank from my eye, and enter the fellowship I'm longing for.

I can only beg forgiveness from God and everyone I've criticized here because it wasn't my place at all to be doing that.

Goodbye everyone. Peace be with you all.
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Old 07-26-2004, 06:10 PM   #2
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It's refreshing to hear someone of your age speak so profoundly. Good luck to you with what ever journey you decide to take in your life.
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Old 07-26-2004, 06:51 PM   #3
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Old 07-26-2004, 07:15 PM   #4
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Glad to see some Christians actually want to act like Christians around here. May you find peace and success.
Btw, I'm a Christian too. Just remember, we all fail and we can't stop it. God will always forgive us.

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Old 07-26-2004, 07:30 PM   #5
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Ummmm yea...

Don't think of other Christians. You only do what you do for YOURSELF and YOUR beliefs. If this is for you, then good, if it's what you believe in. If you're doing it for others, that's not religion.
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Old 07-27-2004, 04:06 PM   #6
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Good luck in everything that you and may God be with you in every step you take. God bless!

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Old 07-27-2004, 04:24 PM   #7
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I don't get it. You seemed like a really intellegent, well-informed and well written guy. You're leaving...why? Because of some crap in the Bible? This is CT, man. You're supposed to judge and write your opinions. And if you're leaving because you're afraid of what, hypocricy, then that's bull.
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Old 07-27-2004, 04:45 PM   #8
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You're leaving...why? Because of some crap in the Bible?
His beliefs are that the Bible contains no crap.
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Old 07-27-2004, 08:25 PM   #9
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You spelled judgment wrong.
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Old 07-27-2004, 10:17 PM   #10
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I'm sorry. I can't accept that. To be quite candid, if that's really the reason you're leaving, not only can I not understand nor respect the reason, I very much misjudged you, as I always saw you as a very clear headed thinker.
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Old 07-27-2004, 10:34 PM   #11
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Of all of the Christians I hate so incredibly much, you are NOT one of them. It's nice to see that you spoke your mind in a calm and positive manner, and not making people come to your beliefs. It's people like you who give me hope for Christians.
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Old 07-28-2004, 07:16 PM   #12
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You are living proof that religion does more to separate people than bring them together.

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Why cant you remove the 2x4 from your eye with us? You calmly apologized for whatever mistake you made (which takes some balls, and i for one am impressed). Why cant u simply keep what you have? You leaving only says ur a compulsive quiter. But as you so eloquently pointed out i am in no position to judge. Whatever you do, may you do it with the grace of your lord.
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Old 07-29-2004, 05:00 PM   #14
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I think otherwise. Matthew also says to love God with all your hear, soul, and MIND. Why not learn more about God and the world he gave us in the only way we know how, which is to ask and to question. Typist, if you still read the forums, read this. I will say now that I love you as a brother in Christ and I also love your movement to further yourself in your pursuit of God, but I always thought that being critical here was actually doing God's work. To help people along with the ultimate form of worship in learning.

That's my opinion. That's how I believe. You may believe differently, but I'm not JUDGING you for it. I'm considering it as a possibility. I guess that's the sort of loophole in the statement. You can think about something without judging it. I'll pray on it. Thank you so much for the pondering.

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I think otherwise. Matthew also says to love God with all your hear, soul, and MIND. Why not learn more about God and the world he gave us in the only way we know how, which is to ask and to question. Typist, if you still read the forums, read this. I will say now that I love you as a brother in Christ and I also love your movement to further yourself in your pursuit of God, but I always thought that being critical here was actually doing God's work. To help people along with the ultimate form of worship in learning.

That's my opinion. That's how I believe. You may believe differently, but I'm not JUDGING you for it. I'm considering it as a possibility. I guess that's the sort of loophole in the statement. You can think about something without judging it. I'll pray on it. Thank you so much for the pondering.

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Wow there's more Christians here than I thought.
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Old 08-2-2004, 07:56 AM   #17
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One must realize the difference between someone being overly critical and someone pointing out obvious flaws. The thing you quoted, "It is impossible to enter fellowship with God when you are in a critical mood" is not from the Bible, meaning it is in no way 100% truth. That is just one man's opinion of what the Bible means. I for one think that that particular passage of the Bible is telling us to not condemn others and worry so much about telling them how damned they are that we neglect our own righteousness.

I believe that those verses are speaking of hipocracy, not criticism in general. Even the analogy provided is an example of one being a hypocrit. We should not nit pick at others' minor flaws when we have much larger flaws we should be working on fixing. Even this does not mean that one may not criticize or give advice to others. The Bible emphasizes that a person be modest but proud. It says you shouldn't criticize the speck while ignoring the plank. You can criticize the speck all you want, but you must be mindful of your own flaw. I may ridicule somebody's artwork, saying that they could do much better, but I would also admit that it is far superior to something I could do.

I don't see why you're leaving. I suggest that you don't read what Oswald Chambers or anybody else thinks the Bible means. Read it, figure it out, decide for yourself what it's saying. Perhaps after you've interpretted it for yourself you should look at another's opinion, but until you decide for yourself what it means, there is no truth in what you read.

That's the problem I have with organized religion. I'm Christian, but I don't believe everything that every other Christian believes. I think the Bible is highly metaphoric, and that not everything should be taken literally. We don't and can't relate to the figures of speech used in the culture back then. Just take a look at Songs of Solomon. Telling a woman her teeth look like a flock of sheep or that her breasts are like 2 gazelle does not sound like a compliment today, but in Biblical times that would make the woman awww and say how sweet her lover is. Keeping that in mind, read things for yourself and figure them out. Don't let some scholar or priest try and tell you what it means. Discover it on your own.
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