Can you put mines in the middle of freeze arrows?

**Goldenwind** · 12-26-2010, 06:06 PM

Due to a glitch in whatever version of OpenITG I use, whenever I use "Compress 2x", freeze arrows don't shrink in size.

Because of this, mines that used to come after the freeze arrows now occur DURING them.
(If you try playing a chart like this, you will hit the mine by holding the freeze, but risk losing the freeze if you avoid the mine. You need good timing to jump off, dodge the mine, then get back on before you lose the freeze)

I'd like to use this gimmick in a chart I'm making, however have difficulty saving it to the file.
Anytime I hit "Save", close the chart, and reopen, the freeze arrows have disappeared.

Does anyone know of a way to get this to work in a chart?

Screenshot of the glitch attached.

**MrMagic5239** · 12-26-2010, 06:08 PM

If I recall, Tranzport did it with negative bpms.

Not sure if this is the same thing though. I don't remember the file having the mines "on" the freeze arrows, but behind them. I could just be 100% stupid though.

**Oni-Paranoia** · 12-26-2010, 06:09 PM

This is impossible.

For you to do something extremely similar, just cut the freeze arrow 1/64th before the mine and restart the freeze arrow 1/64th after. (Not recommended).

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Originally Posted by MrMagic5239

If I recall, Tranzport did it with negative bpms.

Not sure if this is the same thing though. I don't remember the file having the mines "on" the freeze arrows, but behind them. I could just be 100% stupid though.

Tranzport just had a hold that went into a negative BPM with mines afterward. Theoretically the mines were placed at the same TIME as the hold but actually wasn't in the same location.

**Goldenwind** · 12-26-2010, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrMagic5239

If I recall, Tranzport did it with negative bpms.

Not sure if this is the same thing though. I don't remember the file having the mines "on" the freeze arrows, but behind them. I could just be 100% stupid though.

To my understanding, the game will immediately skip the moment it hits a negative BPM, until the next positive BPM. Doing this allows you to create "flip-card"-style trickery and swap fake patterns in and out, but I don't believe I see a way for it to do what I'm mentioning.

I'm not familiar with Tranzport. Could you provide a link, chart or reference that might point me in the right direction?

**kommisar** · 12-26-2010, 06:12 PM

it's a secret technique used by cool people

**Oni-Paranoia** · 12-26-2010, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldenwind

To my understanding, the game will immediately skip the moment it hits a negative BPM, until the next positive BPM. Doing this allows you to create "flip-card"-style trickery and swap fake patterns in and out, but I don't believe I see a way for it to do what I'm mentioning.

I'm not familiar with Tranzport. Could you provide a link, chart or reference that might point me in the right direction?

Make a 4 measure hold. Place mines after the hold. Place a negative BPM half way through the hold. Compare the time the mines will be placed and compare that with the time your holding the freeze arrow. It would be the same time.

buizel8888 · 12-26-2010, 06:15 PM

You're better off using quadjacks

**customstuff** · 12-26-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldenwind

To my understanding, the game will immediately skip the moment it hits a negative BPM, until the next positive BPM. Doing this allows you to create "flip-card"-style trickery and swap fake patterns in and out, but I don't believe I see a way for it to do what I'm mentioning.

I'm not familiar with Tranzport. Could you provide a link, chart or reference that might point me in the right direction?

It might be possible with that, actually. I believe xmods skip it but c-mods react in a weird way. I'm not sure how to do it though.

**Goldenwind** · 12-26-2010, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Oni-Paranoia

This is impossible.

For you to do something extremely similar, just cut the freeze arrow 1/64th before the mine and restart the freeze arrow 1/64th after. (Not recommended).

That's an alright idea, though seeing as this is for arcade, that substitute wouldn't be ideal - it would penalize players for not hitting the continuing freeze arrow with "Fantastic" timing.

Hmm...

OneHandNow · 12-26-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by buizel8888

You're better off using quadjacks

Except they count as misses instead of life reducing mines :<

**Oni-Paranoia** · 12-26-2010, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldenwind

That's an alright idea, though seeing as this is for arcade, that substitute wouldn't be ideal - it would penalize players for not hitting the continuing freeze arrow with "Fantastic" timing.

Hmm...

Tis why it's not recommended and it's an alternative. It's actually the only alternative possible at that because you will never see the above screenshot in a song during gameplay.

And for **** and giggles, here's the tranzport BS.

**customstuff** · 12-26-2010, 06:20 PM

IDEA.

Would it be possible to change it in the notepad file?
I don't know how freezes or mines show up in that, but you never know...

**Oni-Paranoia** · 12-26-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by customstuff

IDEA.

Would it be possible to change it in the notepad file?
I don't know how freezes or mines show up in that, but you never know...

You can't fix this in the notepad. But you can cause crashes trying to.

OneHandNow · 12-26-2010, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Oni-Paranoia

Tis why it's not recommended and it's an alternative. It's actually the only alternative possible at that because you will never see the above screenshot in a song during gameplay.

And for **** and giggles, here's the tranzport BS.

Can ANYBODY hit those things?
I've played Tranzport with mines off (I play all songs with mines off) and I haven't been able to FC it.. always miss those stupid arrows..

**Oni-Paranoia** · 12-26-2010, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by OneHandNow

Can ANYBODY hit those things?
I've played Tranzport with mines off (I play all songs with mines off) and I haven't been able to FC it.. always miss those stupid arrows..

Those arrows don't even exist in the song (technically) unless you play it on SM 4.0 (4.0 doesn't read negatives or it never use to in the past).

**kommisar** · 12-26-2010, 06:30 PM

combo holds.

**TC_Halogen** · 12-26-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kommisar

combo holds.

only the truly wise understand this concept

**Goldenwind** · 12-26-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

only the truly wise understand this concept

I know how to do it, but don't know why it works.

I noticed that if you continue the combo hold for hundreds or thousands of combo, things will start to lag. I've been trying to refine this, but no luck so far.

OneHandNow · 12-26-2010, 07:13 PM

Stepmaniology should be a mathematics + sociology class combined.. I'm telling you.

**customstuff** · 12-28-2010, 02:41 PM

I was fooling around with the notepad thing and somehow made an arrow that you can't hit, ahahaha.

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