Banned for Wanting Grammar!

[Crashfan3]

Originally Posted by Silver_Brian

aloud.

Originally Posted by sonic-fast-fingers

o_O?

What is this referring to?

Incorrect spelling.
Aloud: in usage, "to read aloud to the class".
Allowed: in usage, "not allowed to enter the back room".

EDIT: Also, page 5, whoa... o_O

[clarinet89]

Originally Posted by DaMicester

dude wats this wat i do to you sonic you said yu wanted to llike m i likerd you now you do this i find it i go micester search to e ball runmble and its like 3 hthing so first now anda i use suthe thing its you and now ayou atalk her in by my back?

Wait, what? Next time maybe you can put an english translation somewhere. Haha jk.

[sonic-fast-fingers]

Originally Posted by DaMicester

dude wats this wat i do to you sonic you said yu wanted to llike m i likerd you now you do this i find it i go micester search to e ball runmble and its like 3 hthing so first now anda i use suthe thing its you and now ayou atalk her in by my back?

LOL!!!!

If Micester really somehow found this thread and signed up with FFR then that is awesome!!!! It is probably some random person who made the account though.

[Izzy]

Probably misspelled everything on purpose.

[sonic-fast-fingers]

I guess the whole community does not understand grammar!!! Look at the room title (top left). It says: "Moonlight pro's only." *Shakes Head*

[Magewout]

Originally Posted by Squeek

That is the exception, not the rule.

It's not elitism. It's a standard. And if someone is trying to learn a language, you would think they'd use words properly and not shorten them to 'u' or 'y' or 'r'. You can't learn a language like that.

What makes that the exception? The oh-so American assumption that everyone has English as their native language? Hello, this is the internet, it exists outside of America as well. In fact, English is my third language.

Plus, you see so many abbreviations these days, whether you like it or not, and I know people who actually think that's a part of the English language. It's not their fault because it's what they constantly read all over the internet.

Damn, if everyone in Belgium or The Netherlands would complain about people not speaking Standard Dutch they'd be busy all day because everyone speaks their different dialect, and they type like that as well. It's a way of letting people know where you are from over here.

I'm trying to tell you people to let go. I know exceptionally smart people with incredibly bad grammar on MSN. When I ask why they don't try to type properly, I get the answer 'I'm getting my point across, and in the end, that's what communication is all about'. Which is a very good point.

[sonic-fast-fingers]

Originally Posted by Magewout

What makes that the exception? The oh-so American assumption that everyone has English as their native language? Hello, this is the internet, it exists outside of America as well. In fact, English is my third language.

Plus, you see so many abbreviations these days, whether you like it or not, and I know people who actually think that's a part of the English language. It's not their fault because it's what they constantly read all over the internet.

Damn, if everyone in Belgium or The Netherlands would complain about people not speaking Standard Dutch they'd be busy all day because everyone speaks their different dialect, and they type like that as well. It's a way of letting people know where you are from over here.

I'm trying to tell you people to let go. I know exceptionally smart people with incredibly bad grammar on MSN. When I ask why they don't try to type properly, I get the answer 'I'm getting my point across, and in the end, that's what communication is all about'. Which is a very good point.

I failed to mention that Rumble Fighter is a North America/Canada only game.

[Chrissi]

Magewout, your point is all fine and good until they're NOT getting their point across, which I find happens more often than not with people with terrible spelling/grammar.

[Chrissi]

Originally Posted by sonic-fast-fingers

I failed to mention that Rumble Fighter is a North America/Canada only game.

Doesn't matter, there are people whose native language isn't english in this region too (especially in Canada) .

[sonic-fast-fingers]

What do you mean it doesn't matter? You would expect someone born and raised in America to speak English. How many all Spanish schools do you think they have? Even if a child was taught predominately a different language they are still going to be around English since they were very little (if raised in America). So it does matter.

[Chrissi]

Did you not hear me?

I said english isn't their native language. Which probably means they moved here at an older age.

[GuidoHunter]

Originally Posted by Magewout

I know exceptionally smart people with incredibly bad grammar on MSN. When I ask why they don't try to type properly, I get the answer 'I'm getting my point across, and in the end, that's what communication is all about'. Which is a very good point.

Except that they fail to account for the necessity of efficiency in communication, especially in a fast-paced, text-only medium like the internet.

Yes, you can communicate your point in ten seconds, but it's only detrimental to everybody if you and your audience has to spend sixty seconds trying to decode it.

Rather, I'd prefer everyone to take eleven seconds to communicate in a grammatical sense so that everyone understands exactly what is intended without question or confusion. It's better for everyone that way.

Commas, apostrophes, and grammar rules weren't invented just to give seventh graders a hard time; they exist because they are necessary to avoid confusion. Without even the smallest mark you can confuse your audience and create a frustrating situation just because you're lazy.

You'll excuse me if I don't cater to your sloth.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[MalReynolds]

For example:

She had a crack baby.

vs.

She had a crack, baby.

[Magewout]

Originally Posted by GuidoHunter

Except that they fail to account for the necessity of efficiency in communication, especially in a fast-paced, text-only medium like the internet.

Yes, you can communicate your point in ten seconds, but it's only detrimental to everybody if you and your audience has to spend sixty seconds trying to decode it.

Rather, I'd prefer everyone to take eleven seconds to communicate in a grammatical sense so that everyone understands exactly what is intended without question or confusion. It's better for everyone that way.

Commas, apostrophes, and grammar rules weren't invented just to give seventh graders a hard time; they exist because they are necessary to avoid confusion. Without even the smallest mark you can confuse your audience and create a frustrating situation just because you're lazy.

You'll excuse me if I don't cater to your sloth.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

If i write without perfct grammer / spelling but its still understandable enuff for u 2 kno what im tryin to say i really really dont see the problem at all.

You're not going to tell me you didn't understand above sentence, or that you had to 'decode' that, right? I can understand it when there's a total absence of any kind of sentence structure and the likes, but abbreviated words shouldn't be a problem, especially if English is your native language.

@MalReynolds: I facepalmed. Yeah, let's list ten cases where the comma does matter versus the millions of others where it doesn't.

PS: You might notice that I myself am trying to type in decent English, but that's my personal choice. I expect people to respect my choices and therefore I try to respect others when they choose to not give priority to their grammar.

[Squeek]

Originally Posted by Magewout

If i write without perfct grammer / spelling but its still understandable enuff for u 2 kno what im tryin to say i really really dont see the problem at all.

translation: If igneous rocks write without perfection controlled timing gamer / spelling but International Treatise of Spelling still understandable snuff for Uganda two knowledge what Imps train to say igneous rocks really duplicate words done see the problem at all.

How do I know if you shortened a word or made a typo? How do I know some of the words you wrote aren't acronyms or just words you wrote without punctuation? Since I don't know, I filled in some of blanks as my mind saw fit.

If you've ever tried to translate a foreign language with a typo, here's a protip. It's impossible. So don't even give me that "English isn't their first language" bull. We have the sub-clause in place that says ESOL kids are the exception here, but I have never seen an ESOL kid purposely butcher a language he's learning just to "look cool" or "save time".

@MalReynolds: I facepalmed. Yeah, let's list ten cases where the comma does matter versus the millions of others where it doesn't.

How, about, the, case, of, the, super, annoying, sentence, with, commas, after, every, single, word? Where, is, the, proper, comma, in, this, sentence? Is, there, one? Isn't, this, annoying, to, read? You, probably, think, this, is, just, a, joke. I, wish, I, never, saw, a, post, like, this, before, but, I, have.

PS: You might notice that I myself am trying to type in decent English, but that's my personal choice. I expect people to respect my choices and therefore I try to respect others when they choose to not give priority to their grammar.

Then I don't see why you don't respect the choice of the authority that runs these forums. The rule of spelling/grammar is just as arbitrary as the rule of no double-posting. It's a conduct rule. If you can't spell properly, you aren't 13. I absolutely cannot imagine a situation where an English-speaking user has any kind of excuse as to why they cannot write properly.

Why is that? Because this is a forum. It's not a chat room. You have literally all the time in the world to make a post. Pop it into Word! Use FireFox's spell-check! There are dozens of things you can do before you post anything that will automatically fix most of your errors.

[s0ulst0n3]

Originally Posted by Squeek

How about the case of the super annoying sentence with commas after every single word? Where is the proper comma in this sentence? Is there one? Isn't this annoying to read? You probably think this is just a joke. I wish I never saw a post like this before, but I have.

After the word "before" is where the proper comma belongs, am I correct? Also yes, I have seen posts like that before. Those sentences are very annoying to read.

Why is that? Because this is a forum. It's not a chat room. You have literally all the time in the world to make a post. Pop it into Word! Use FireFox's spell-check! There are dozens of things you can do before you post anything that will automatically fix most of your errors.

I had to quote this for emphasis.

[MalReynolds]

My example was a joke.

It was a joke!

Here's another:

I wish your sorry-ass face would get out of here.

vs.

I wish your sorry ass-face would get out of here.

[devonin]

The classic example for importance of proper capitalization also:

I helped my uncle Jack off a horse

I helped my uncle jack off a horse

[Magewout]

Originally Posted by Squeek

translation: If igneous rocks write without perfection controlled timing gamer / spelling but International Treatise of Spelling still understandable snuff for Uganda two knowledge what Imps train to say igneous rocks really duplicate words done see the problem at all.

How do I know if you shortened a word or made a typo? How do I know some of the words you wrote aren't acronyms or just words you wrote without punctuation? Since I don't know, I filled in some of blanks as my mind saw fit.

If you've ever tried to translate a foreign language with a typo, here's a protip. It's impossible. So don't even give me that "English isn't their first language" bull. We have the sub-clause in place that says ESOL kids are the exception here, but I have never seen an ESOL kid purposely butcher a language he's learning just to "look cool" or "save time".



How, about, the, case, of, the, super, annoying, sentence, with, commas, after, every, single, word? Where, is, the, proper, comma, in, this, sentence? Is, there, one? Isn't, this, annoying, to, read? You, probably, think, this, is, just, a, joke. I, wish, I, never, saw, a, post, like, this, before, but, I, have.



Then I don't see why you don't respect the choice of the authority that runs these forums. The rule of spelling/grammar is just as arbitrary as the rule of no double-posting. It's a conduct rule. If you can't spell properly, you aren't 13. I absolutely cannot imagine a situation where an English-speaking user has any kind of excuse as to why they cannot write properly.

Why is that? Because this is a forum. It's not a chat room. You have literally all the time in the world to make a post. Pop it into Word! Use FireFox's spell-check! There are dozens of things you can do before you post anything that will automatically fix most of your errors.

You know damn well what that sentence said. Exaggerating doesn't make a valid point since I can do that with a proper sentence as well.

I'd like to call bs on your protip. If you have a proper understanding of the language, most of the time you'll know whether it's a typo or not. You can get a lot of information out of the context. I'm doubting whether you have ever tried to translate a foreign language. The "English isn't their first language bull", as you call it, is nevertheless very correct. If even native speakers make mistakes to it's/its and they're/their/there, it's unfair to expect from everyone that they don't make mistakes, and to some people it might seem very rude to correct every mistake they make.

As for the commas, I didn't really have a problem with it, but that's probably just me as I'm used to reading **** like that :P

And eh, I am respecting this forum's rule, however, this discussion is about other forums with different rules, and grammar freaks complaining about them. How would you feel if people would constantly run around commenting on your language. Maybe reading bad grammar is annoying for you, but having 10 posts after that with corrections is annoying for other people trying to read the thread.

Btw, here's a real protip: spell-check programs don't correct all mistakes.

[~kitty~]

Originally Posted by devonin

The classic example for importance of proper capitalization also:

I helped my uncle Jack off a horse

I helped my uncle jack off a horse

I love that example.

I hate trying to explain things to people.

Why is it so hard to explain things on the internet?

I give up on you guys.