TWG 198 - TWGabout Succession [GAME THREAD]

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I'm not killing plop today
he can be a wolf, but his solving has been the best out of anyone's today, I'd say (potentially beaten by DBP)

I guess that;s what DBP's early activity was for; he knew he wouldn't be here at EOD so this is what we got

You're trending down for town reading based on solving ability.

Wolves are obviously better at solving because they already know the answers.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

You're trending down for town reading based on solving ability.

Wolves are obviously better at solving because they already know the answers.

ah, yes!
how could I forget!
if he's a wolf, he knows all the answers, my read definitely wasn't factoring that in before now!

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I'm not killing plop today
he can be a wolf, but his solving has been the best out of anyone's today, I'd say (potentially beaten by DBP)

I guess that;s what DBP's early activity was for; he knew he wouldn't be here at EOD so this is what we got

This is a minor conflict with my headspace, but I think it follows from his POV that Freezin and YoshL are "bigger fish to fry" in terms of a first wolf lynch. I would be interested to hear what sunfan thinks about Plop -period-, regardless of his lynch order given earlier

[FreezinIce]

maybe im getting too heated here

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

maybe im getting too heated here

fake as fuck

[the sun fan]

"boy, SubaruPoptart's post sure are blowing my socks off right now"

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[Shadow_God_10]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

"boy, SubaruPoptart's post sure are blowing my socks off right now"

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Ohhh so it's NOT just me who's being mind blown here!

[FreezinIce]

emotionally invested i shouldve said

[SubaruPoptart]

Goddammit I didn't read it through.- Freezin's read finished is that I'm still not really 100% sure how I feel about Freezin as of right now, but I'm willing to trust em.

[Shadow_God_10]

I wish we had a day vigi in this game...

[the sun fan]

if you do not have a relevant vote yet
please make one

[the sun fan]

like...
this wagon formation is pretty all over the place, I think plop and I are tied for the lead at 2 votes?

can we get some kind of clearer picture as to what is actually going to happen?

[SubaruPoptart]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

like...
this wagon formation is pretty all over the place, I think plop and I are tied for the lead at 2 votes?

can we get some kind of clearer picture as to what is actually going to happen?

I also have two votes, from what I remember. I'd remake a votecount but the last three I've made have had mistakes of some sort so if round's able to could that get put?

[YoshL]

plop megapost comments:

I'm not getting the usual paranoia I get about sunfan this game. First off, we're getting mindmelds out the wazoo. I'm right there with him about being cautious about yoshl, I was right there with him about how an ule lynch would lead to more or less no information and how the role/mechanics discussion shouldn't be so frowned upon, and I'm right there with him about how everyone seems to look past freezin without any substantial reason to.

I don't like these reasons. First off, being cautious of me shouldn't be a read to mindmeld off of
Second off, ule lynch yielding no info and discussing role mechanics has been talked about already and isn't a read to mindmeld off of
Noticing people looking past freezin is also not a read to mindmeld off of.

more or less, those aren't opinions.

I think too many of his points come across as disingenuous.

For one, I sense he's moving towards a scumread on haku for haku's flip-flopping and stuff like his big wall of quotes that were more commentary mode than fresh insights. Haku having the tendency to swap around his reads or just post a lot of stuff that's more thinking out loud has been brought up quite a few times this game, yet it hasn't influenced yoshl's read, nor has he reached out to others about it for clarification. His case against xiz for thinking too much on who the best target is at the moment rather than what he can do to get more info to make a better informed lynch also didn't seem right since I feel like xiz was still in the “EOD is tonight” mindset. Casting shade on sunfan for telling people not to blindly townread him for tone and analysis seems fishy to me too...I can understand how that'd be frustrating if yoshl's town and people are reading him right and for the right reasons, but I don't think sunfan's take is wrong either, and I think yoshl would understand that and try to approach sunfan from that angle.

If you're still caught up on me being annoyed at sunfan, it's purely because the *ONLY* argument that's been cast by him is "oop he's not POE, and he can do this as a wolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and like, even from reviewing thread, still hasn't pushed forwards anything. you're pushing a narrative where i'm upset at "hey you should examine yoshl as scum", where it's more of "yoshl can do this as scum so therefore be careful!!!1!!"
I don't really understand your xiz point, and yes, Haku making a fuckton of posts in thread that are one liners really doesn't influence me in the slightest, because the quality of the thoughts doesn't cut it.

I think the worst points of plop's post is generally putting way too much faith in meta. Like call me out all you want, but "this person flip flops their reads all the time as town" is not a valid reason for me to say "yeah sure he's town", disregarding actual game info. Haku's actual post history still is pretty firmly wolfy to me - it's actually not hard to sit in thread and throw out a bunch of worlds that don't include you because you know they're wrong, and keep the narrative away from you. It looks more like you're still sitting on earlier game info if you think that soley a commentary post in d0 is the cornerstone of my reads.

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hi subaru

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i'm largely ignoring shadow god's commentary posts because i literally never vote him

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oho it's a freezin post
tbh i don't have too much to comment, other than i think sunfan eventually said that he intended to be on tforce in the end as well??

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

ill care more about yoshl once he shows his hand and reveals who hes gunning for today and i can cross reference that with his progression
until then im just sitting here reading his wall post thinking "yep those are things that happened and i could see why youd think that"

out of the 3 strongest wolf leans i have in sunfan, haku, tforce, i think tforce just outright is doing the least to assuage anyone's fears, or make pseudo attempts to solve and play - i could always be wrong on my reads of actions and things that are happening in this phase, but in t-force's case, it's kinda fucked

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#1359 from sunfan, i think this is one of the clearest pictures for raeko townread and feels hella genuine.

self realization: to be COMPLETELY honest, i got stuck in sunfan wolf mode, and probably have to reread sunfan (and haku, and t-force) in a "wait what if they're town" mode lol. I don't think much will change with t-force (because again, there's just not even much to begin with)

#1371 is actually super hella appreciated tbh

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Also something about my wolf game that you might have forgotten sunfan but I tend to make longer posts vs when I am town
I notice YoshL doing that rn

@Raeko, I think it's a little much to apply self-meta to other people - i think especially because I haven't twg'd in forever, and this is my only way of catching up to thread while keeping myself semi-coherent and being able to process game info right now (because i have much less time for twg than i did in the past, i can't sit around being top poster anymore hehu)

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i see a t-force post at #1412 and i want to get these thoughts in to give em time to sit tbh

[fatfuck42]

Originally Posted by YoshL

plop megapost comments:



I don't like these reasons. First off, being cautious of me shouldn't be a read to mindmeld off of
Second off, ule lynch yielding no info and discussing role mechanics has been talked about already and isn't a read to mindmeld off of
Noticing people looking past freezin is also not a read to mindmeld off of.

more or less, those aren't opinions.

I'm confused by what you mean by this... Maybe I'm using the term mindmeld wrong? I'm using it to mean it's a view I agree with.

Originally Posted by YoshL

If you're still caught up on me being annoyed at sunfan, it's purely because the *ONLY* argument that's been cast by him is "oop he's not POE, and he can do this as a wolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and like, even from reviewing thread, still hasn't pushed forwards anything. you're pushing a narrative where i'm upset at "hey you should examine yoshl as scum", where it's more of "yoshl can do this as scum so therefore be careful!!!1!!"

I can see where you're coming from, but I don't think sunfan was necessarily pushing that hard against you. I interpret "be careful" as "examine yoshl as scum," or at least entertain the possibility.

Originally Posted by YoshL

I don't really understand your xiz point, and yes, Haku making a fuckton of posts in thread that are one liners really doesn't influence me in the slightest, because the quality of the thoughts doesn't cut it.

I think the worst points of plop's post is generally putting way too much faith in meta. Like call me out all you want, but "this person flip flops their reads all the time as town" is not a valid reason for me to say "yeah sure he's town", disregarding actual game info. Haku's actual post history still is pretty firmly wolfy to me - it's actually not hard to sit in thread and throw out a bunch of worlds that don't include you because you know they're wrong, and keep the narrative away from you. It looks more like you're still sitting on earlier game info if you think that soley a commentary post in d0 is the cornerstone of my reads.

I know, I definitely lean too heavy into meta a lot of the time, but for haku, that comes from a place of reacting the very same way you're reacting to him this game and getting burned for it over and over.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by fatfuck42

I know, I definitely lean too heavy into meta a lot of the time, but for haku, that comes from a place of reacting the very same way you're reacting to him this game and getting burned for it over and over.

tbf, if you take me and make me play on another forum the exact same way. I will die very quickly.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by YoshL

plop megapost comments:



I don't like these reasons. First off, being cautious of me shouldn't be a read to mindmeld off of
Second off, ule lynch yielding no info and discussing role mechanics has been talked about already and isn't a read to mindmeld off of
Noticing people looking past freezin is also not a read to mindmeld off of.

more or less, those aren't opinions.



If you're still caught up on me being annoyed at sunfan, it's purely because the *ONLY* argument that's been cast by him is "oop he's not POE, and he can do this as a wolf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and like, even from reviewing thread, still hasn't pushed forwards anything. you're pushing a narrative where i'm upset at "hey you should examine yoshl as scum", where it's more of "yoshl can do this as scum so therefore be careful!!!1!!"
I don't really understand your xiz point, and yes, Haku making a fuckton of posts in thread that are one liners really doesn't influence me in the slightest, because the quality of the thoughts doesn't cut it.

I think the worst points of plop's post is generally putting way too much faith in meta. Like call me out all you want, but "this person flip flops their reads all the time as town" is not a valid reason for me to say "yeah sure he's town", disregarding actual game info. Haku's actual post history still is pretty firmly wolfy to me - it's actually not hard to sit in thread and throw out a bunch of worlds that don't include you because you know they're wrong, and keep the narrative away from you. It looks more like you're still sitting on earlier game info if you think that soley a commentary post in d0 is the cornerstone of my reads.


[moves on to other shit]

Part 2 of YoshL's megapost.

Three strikes and you're out, buddy. You've invested all this time, all this effort into responding to Plopadop's megapost-- specifically, where he calls you out-- and even though you seem to disagree with almost everything he says, there's no semblance of an actual read on Plopadop himself here. Why does this keep happening?

The rest of your megapost has --actual reads-- in it, but for some fucking reason the literal first half of the post has nothing in the way of actual reads towards the person you're supposedly directly responding to.

It's because it's a fucking performance. Plop needed to create SOME tension between the two of you, and, naturally, you needed to respond to it. But here's the thing, and it's a thing I think wolves fall for a lot when theatering in thread...

If you create "conflict" between yourself and a wolf partner, you will have a natural tendency to resolve that "conflict" in a neat, tidy way, with a sparkly bow on top. Ah, Plop had a scum read on me? My response will completely sate him, or at least get him to stop talking about me. That sense of lingering doubt and tension will dissipate, and then we can both move on to other topics.

But this isn't how townies usually operate.

There is almost never any complete conflict resolution between townies and wolves in TWG. If I have a scumread on you, and you respond to it, even if it's pretty convincing, I'm not gonna just "drop" it. I'll still feel that insecurity, that "what if". I'll probably bring your name up later, or I might even continue the conversation then and there.

You're not gonna feel comfortable as town, so when I see that your interactions with Plop seem to try to emulate that feeling of "initial conflict->resolution", I'm gonna really ask myself if you're totally satisfied with that resolution. Townies rarely are, or at the very least, it takes time to change your perspective on another person. If you respond to a post, don't add anything of your own to the conflict, I dunno, maybe to actually probe about Plop's alignment? It's gonna look like theatrical denouement.

And that theatrical denouement is exactly what I keep seeing with you and Plop's interactions.

[SubaruPoptart]

fatfuck42.

I'm feelin the strongest about him.

[fatfuck42]

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart

fatfuck42.

I'm feelin the strongest about him.

What's your issue with me? Mostly what dap talked about? Or based on what's going on in the thread right now?

[SubaruPoptart]

Originally Posted by fatfuck42

What's your issue with me? Mostly what dap talked about? Or based on what's going on in the thread right now?

Primarily what DBP talked about; still getting a feel for what's happening right now but somewhat, yes. I don't want to vote for TF yet because he's not here at the moment.