Ingame Song Information

[leonid]

Hard part in Club lasts only 30 seconds

[One Winged Angel]

hard (FMO-worthy) part in CSGS lasts four seconds

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by stavie33

I haven't been abusing I, except to say that don't trust me on this song

You're doing good.

Originally Posted by Plan_Bsk81127

CSGS is not a FMO, I suck at jacks and I can near AAA it on command. The jacks are not that hard, they only come in sets of three until the end part which are just as long as ones in Fei Longer(Challenge) and Starlight(VC). Chill out on it being a Fmo because it wont be one.

CSGS's jacks are relatively slow, they come in sets of 4 and that is the only difficult section of the song. They don't even keep up with some of the 9s on FFR outside of that section. Fei Longer is an example of a song that parallels in difficulty to it because it has jacks in set 7+. The speed is what keep Fei a 9 and CSGS a 10.

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

Can someone please give their opinions on the song Setsujou! Hyakka Ryouran! because I think it's worse than Pants but others may not

Pants has ugly patterns at the end being that some of the jumps are UD in a constant offsync run. Splitting the jump is pretty much a guarantee for you to get goods. Setsujou has awkward patterns, but they are decently easy to learn and you don't have to worry about offsync sections.

Originally Posted by qqwref

My opinion is I have 10 goods on it. It might be tough to AAA (wouldn't know) but in terms of reading/FC difficulty it's not even high FMO.

Aside from the hand jacks that pose a combo threat in Setsujou, it's just a solid FMO, nothing ridiculously hard or easy about it.

Originally Posted by Niala

That's not a good reason at all. If mirror was PUBLIC, then it would be, but it's unfair to judge it this way. Not everybody has access to mirror, so judging a song based on how easy it is on mirror is kind of unfair. Same goes with Club, you can cut your score in half on mirror, no problem, but it's still an [Oni]-unlock. In all due honesty, you are right, Radio Heads on mirror is disgustingly easier than without it, comparison being my 40+goods without mirror and a missflag (FML) with mirror. But that doesn't really make it fair to judge it based on mirror.

It is a good reason because pretty much everyone on the entire site knows about the beta .swf. Everyone has access to it whether we like it or not, but it's also stealing. It's not like anyone can stop the beta from being spread (unless you upload it and change the link name, something I wish would happen. Club is nearly the same situation except it's constant jumps--you are ALWAYS balancing something on both hands in the hardest parts of the song whereas Radio Heads gives you 8th note/4th note breaks.

Originally Posted by Niala

Nobody mentioned my thoughts on Kanon Kanon, FMO, or leave it? It's really fast, which makes the stream and jumps really hard. Even the ending where it's only 8th stepjumps, but the single arrows are on the same as the jumps... I think it could make a fine FMO. P.S. One-handed trills.

I fought with a few people about this and took a lot of fire from this a while back. Kanon Kanon isn't a FMO. The song is chock full of nothing but 8th notes. The one handed trill can turn into a slow jump jack and you'll get all perfects. The stepjumps are very slow for a song that's FMO as well. The patterns flow really well even with some jacks in the stepjumps.

Originally Posted by Niala

I personally still think CSGS is FMO material, the long jacks are hard, the short jumpjack section after it is too. I can see why it isn't, because it's short with only a couple of hard parts, but I can also see why it is...

Read above.

Originally Posted by Niala

Setsujou is harder than it's given credit for. It really has everything: jacks; jumpstream; awkward patterns during the jumpy 16th section for the verses; triplets and quads; triplet jacks (I thought this needed mentioning... ); there's probably more to mention, but I can't think of anything. It really is one of the harder FMO's. It's definitely not harder than Pants, the jumpstream in Pants is so consistent that it just makes people tired, and it's not easy jumpstream either, whereas the jumpstream in Setsujou is kind of... simple. Most of it fits nicely. Not to mention Pants is like twice as long.

Read above as well.

Originally Posted by Niala

See, Aj, No "I"'s.
(Or few, but only to emphasise points. )

[One Winged Angel]

lmao you can jumpjack the 86 trill in kanon x2 what ahahahahahaha

wait, so I can AAA purple by hitting well timed 115 bpm sixteenth jumps? rofl

[TC_Halogen]

Believe it or not, if you're REALLY REALLY good at timing it, you can hit all of the runs in Dendrite v2 with only jumps. >_>;

I got like 40 perfects in a row doing just that since the patterns are spins. xD

[Niala]

Will respond to things in morning. Must do chemistry and sleep.

[qqwref]

TC_Halogen: I think you can hit any stream as jumps only as long as each pair of notes is 2 or fewer frames apart (so, 225+ bpm 16ths). It would be incredibly impressive if someone AAA'd a song like this.

[stavie33]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

Believe it or not, if you're REALLY REALLY good at timing it, you can hit all of the runs in Dendrite v2 with only jumps. >_>;

I got like 40 perfects in a row doing just that since the patterns are spins. xD

On Dendrite that's true, on Kanon-Kanon, when I AAA'd, I jumped that trill, do you know how many times it took to perfect that? An upward of 58 tries on it, it's ridiculous, as much as I totally respect your opinion TC, I must respectfully disagree. I still think it's an FMO, the chains are way too fast and draining compared to any VC I know, and the trill, but I stopped fighting this over, if it's VC, it will be the cut off, as it is now on my list (and JX's) it's the hardest VC, and hopefully, will always be

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by qqwref

TC_Halogen: I think you can hit any stream as jumps only as long as each pair of notes is 2 or fewer frames apart (so, 225+ bpm 16ths). It would be incredibly impressive if someone AAA'd a song like this.

30 FPS = .033 seconds per frame
and 225 BPM 16ths (900 TPM) = 15 TPS (half of the game's rendering speed)

I see what you're saying now. That'd make a lot of sense to me. So anything below this time would have you going in and out of the perfect window, where you'd get a majority perfects with a few goods sprinkled in.

[jimerax]

well, thx for opinions.

[most likely vc]
SC, Silence, K8107(auto vc if silence is), LW4(100+ AAAs and it's secret)
[likely vc]
GOSW, Novo, Choprite
[probably not]
BNE, STP

need to make a final decision for [likely vc] ones.

also, minor changes of old songs.
Club 81->80
FOTB 79->80
BBevo 80->79
EHHS 80->79
Runny 80->81
4chord 82->81
FFLBF 81->80

[TC_Halogen]

Wow--I'm surprised so many of you think Novo is a 10. o_o

[leonid]

Novo is low 11

[Silver_Brian]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

It is a good reason because pretty much everyone on the entire site knows about the beta .swf. Everyone has access to it whether we like it or not, but it's also stealing. It's not like anyone can stop the beta from being spread (unless you upload it and change the link name, something I wish would happen.

uhh, I didn't know this.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Silver_Brian

uhh, I didn't know this.

Good thing I had pretty much attached to it. xD

I thought it was pretty common knowledge.

[stavie33]

I think that 4 Chord is still a solid 82, I don't know why there are so many good scores on it, but that songs tough. Crazy jump stream with extreme length, 24th bursts thrown in and 24th trills at moderately high BPM, and the beginning patterns are awkward as hell with fast and colored bursts (ughh...if I could only do the beginning I can AAA the rest, but I have trouble SDG'ing just that)

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by 0

fotbb is an 80 now lmfaolmfaolmfao

about the whole mirror thing, it shouldn't have too much of an influence on the song difficulties unless you're basing the difficulties on players' abilities to hit the patterns rather than the patterns themselves, which would result in a lot of biased ratings.

Very good point. I'm just basing my theory on people being right-hand dominant. So there will be bias there no matter what.

[who_cares973]

Originally Posted by stavie33

I said Kanon-Kanon should be FMO for decades it seems, no one will listen

hey you know who no one listens to? me



chicks with dicks the whole lot of you.

i dont think kanon kanon should be fmo because the only hard part is the right handed trill. yeah sure its fast but it isnt fast anough to warrant fmo status.

LW4 i think is a great cut off for vc-fmo so use that. Lw1 or even k8107 would aslo be just as good

Originally Posted by stavie33

I think that 4 Chord is still a solid 82, I don't know why there are so many good scores on it, but that songs tough. Crazy jump stream with extreme length, 24th bursts thrown in and 24th trills at moderately high BPM, and the beginning patterns are awkward as hell with fast and colored bursts (ughh...if I could only do the beginning I can AAA the rest, but I have trouble SDG'ing just that)

cetaka files tend to flow really well so i think this might be just you

[TC_Halogen]

LW4 doesn't really have anything hard either minus the 32nd burst and offbeat 24th burst.

LW1 seems like a good cutoff.

[mhss1992]

Originally Posted by jimerax

well, thx for opinions.

[most likely vc]
SC, Silence, K8107(auto vc if silence is), LW4(100+ AAAs and it's secret)
[likely vc]
GOSW, Novo, Choprite
[probably not]
BNE, STP

need to make a final decision for [likely vc] ones.

also, minor changes of old songs.
Club 81->80
FOTB 79->80
BBevo 80->79
EHHS 80->79
Runny 80->81
4chord 82->81
FFLBF 81->80

Strongly agree with everything except GOSW, I think it deserves to stay FMO.

Originally Posted by stavie33

I think that 4 Chord is still a solid 82, I don't know why there are so many good scores on it, but that songs tough. Crazy jump stream with extreme length, 24th bursts thrown in and 24th trills at moderately high BPM, and the beginning patterns are awkward as hell with fast and colored bursts (ughh...if I could only do the beginning I can AAA the rest, but I have trouble SDG'ing just that)

I would agree with you months ago, but now I really think that song is easy for an 82. The beginning is mental block-ish, but the rest is very simple, except maybe for the 24th trills.

[qqwref]

GOSW seems easier than it is. I always go into it going "ok it's just 24th stream I'll AAA this" and then get nowhere near that. Considering it's been out a year and a half and there are only 52 AAAs, I don't think it should become VC.