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View Poll Results: Should Crowdpleaser be Removed from Public Level Ranks? | |||
Yes | 67 | 56.30% | |
No | 46 | 38.66% | |
Undecided | 6 | 5.04% | |
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02-12-2014, 10:58 PM | #1 |
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On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
Yes, crowdpleaser has had a long history of being a controversial chart. There are reasons to keep it in the ranks and there are reasons to keep it out. I put forth that crowd pleaser should, however, be placed in token rankings for it's joke/novelty nature and the massive amount of cheated FC's on the chart.
Crowdpleaser holds a whopping 299 FC's. This amount is certainly greater than the number of people who can FC a trill of that speed. Through simple methods I will not describe here, I believe rampant cheating on this chart is the #1 reason to remove it from the public ranks. There is no way to filter out the good scores from the cheats at this point, so remove the entire chart from the public ranks, and let the scores stand in the token ranks. There would be many other pros and cons to this suggestion. What do you think? I will add a poll shortly after this is posted for the community to weigh in. Should CP be removed from the public ranks? |
02-12-2014, 11:17 PM | #2 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
It should definitely be removed off public ranks. That vibrating section has got to be the biggest joke ever.
I also would like to see Death Piano and RATO off public ranks as well but that's for a different thread.
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02-12-2014, 11:23 PM | #3 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
Rationale behind this is...
Remove file that is too hard? Dumb idea and subject to change at any time imo. We would've removed any files that were impossible to AAA back in 2006 with this mentality. (100-bar blackout and nova pulsar as examples) Remove file that is horribly inaccurate? Have fun removing most of legacy and being subjective of the entire process for most other files too. imo make better choices about what files go in game next time. Moving these to tokens is fine but looking into the future it's obvious that Public Ranks = PA skills and Token Ranks = Speed skills granted that we solve the much larger issue which is FUCKING COMBO SCORING JESUS CHRIST We would be better off having everything under ONE ranking system and not this divide between friendly songs and tokens but w.e Last edited by Dynam0; 02-12-2014 at 11:27 PM.. |
02-12-2014, 11:57 PM | #4 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
I don't think a song that is stepped accurately should be removed from public ranks, regardless of difficulty.
That being said, Crowdpleaser is NOT a proper step file...
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02-13-2014, 12:22 AM | #5 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
kinda makes the game look bad/less professional in my opinion haha, moving to legacy would be suitable
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02-13-2014, 12:22 AM | #6 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
Kind of irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but I'm not a real fan of the token level ranks becoming something of a dumping ground for bad files. I mean, if a file has to be moved to the token level ranks because it's a bad file, it might just be better to remove it from the game instead.
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02-13-2014, 01:15 AM | #7 | |
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02-13-2014, 01:17 AM | #8 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
If it was a roll instead of a trill, it'd be a different story.
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02-13-2014, 01:41 AM | #9 | |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
I honestly want to see Crowdpleaser removed from the game along with a couple of other files (p4u v1, vROFL) for being near (or flat out) impossible to do physically (on a normal setup) rather than just putting them into token levelranks.
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...whereas Crowdpleaser is near impossible to AAA on a normal setup for years to come. I know that Dossar and Zeta have AAA'd the trill, but no one else is close to AAAing and I don't think there'd be any more people who are able to nail the trill (and the entire file in general) through a normal setup any time soon because vibration speed isn't really something you can improve on and 240 BPM is pretty out of reach for 99.99% of FFR/SM players. The fact that you actually need to use an unconventional playing style (overlay, double setup) just shows how silly and gimmicky the file is. Swapping Crowdpleaser v1 with v2 would be the second best option, of course. Same with Revolutionary Etude, but to much less of an extent. Seriously though, we should be concentrating more on the fact that we should have raw scoring instead of combo scoring, these issues wouldn't be such a big deal if it weren't for this Last edited by EzExZeRo7497; 02-13-2014 at 01:44 AM.. |
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02-13-2014, 01:44 AM | #10 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
Not the first time this topic has come up, every time the consensus is the same, but it's never done
Please just move CP to Tokens. Whether or not v2 becomes a public file and the original becomes a token to be unlocked after achieving some requirement on v2 is beside the point, which is: there's no good reason for a file like this to be stenching up the public file list. A fair argument can be made for blue note legacy files, but very little in the case of Crowdpleaser.
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02-13-2014, 03:40 AM | #11 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
Eze +1
DP/Rato still have somewhat competitive leader boards, you can improve on those files and they are what will make the difference between players who can AAA all the rest (once there is more than one.) CP will forever be a gimmick file that can be overcome with gimmick double layouts. |
02-13-2014, 03:44 AM | #12 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
I don't think moving it to tokens is the answer. I think moving it out of all level ranks is the real answer. I can't think of a single reason why BNS or Crowdpleaser should be in the ranks anywhere.
I would also recommend moving it to legacy over token. |
02-13-2014, 03:46 AM | #13 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
has Legacy been taken off public ranks yet?
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02-13-2014, 03:49 AM | #14 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
no
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02-13-2014, 05:13 AM | #15 | |
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02-13-2014, 05:29 AM | #16 | |
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02-13-2014, 05:35 AM | #17 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
"leftist"
if that's extreme left then where does it put me when I say those songs should be removed from the game completely? Most of the legacy songs make this game look childish and unprofessional. |
02-13-2014, 05:43 AM | #18 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
why should we remove it just because some scrubs cant vibrate?
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02-13-2014, 05:45 AM | #19 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
Imo, level ranks (and your ffr average rank) serve as an indication of the skill of the player. Crowdpleaser isn't a chart that can properly measure your skill. And it's not a chart appropriate for newcomers nor it is for D7 players.
RATO and DP are useful to measure the most skilled players.
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02-13-2014, 06:18 AM | #20 |
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Re: On the Removal of Crowdpleaser from Level Ranks
As one of the low-skill crappy players apparently being defended by removing Crowdpleaser from the ranks: please don't.
The purpose that Crowdpleaser serves, and serves well is precisely -that- it is actually fairly straightforward and not that hard except for the bursts and the wall. I've used it as an example to non-players dozens of times of "You think the song I just played was hard, look at this!" It is a song where even if the bursts and the wall were changed to be less trilly and more rolly or whatever would make it "easier" would still be beyond the VAST VAST majority of people who play this game (And remember, you're comparing all of these stats, including the 270-whatever FCs against the fact that thousands of people play FFR without ever making an account or logging in) Seeing a song like that, where you see the wall and go "Nope, that is literally impossible" and then find out "Oh except there are a couple people who can do it" is actually very motivating in a way that just "Yeah, if this song were slow, I could totally do it, I'm just not fast enough" like you get from songs like Death Piano, really isn't. We need a few things in the game that new players will think are impossible so that when they found out it is possible, have something big to work towards. |
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