jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread

[the sun fan]

Sanzath (1)- gold stinger
Dragon (2)- Antori, shy

[ShyYoshiGuy]

Wait. When did golden stinger vote Sanzath? I totally missed that. And what’s his reasoning? I’m not saying his reasoning is non-existent, just saying I missed it.

Also, to be clear, what was the actual order of suggesting voting and voting for Shadow ‘cuz I feel like it kinda came outta nowhere when I read it, but I dunno.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy

Wait. When did golden stinger vote Sanzath? I totally missed that. And what’s his reasoning? I’m not saying his reasoning is non-existent, just saying I missed it.

Also, to be clear, what was the actual order of suggesting voting and voting for Shadow ‘cuz I feel like it kinda came outta nowhere when I read it, but I dunno.

Originally Posted by gold stinger

If you want my reasons on Sanzath, please read pages 17 (post 339) through 19 (post 362) for my full thoughts on it. There's a bit much to link into this post.

..

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy

Also, to be clear, what was the actual order of suggesting voting and voting for Shadow ‘cuz I feel like it kinda came outta nowhere when I read it, but I dunno.

Been sitting on this in the string of posts I made because I'm not exactly getting what you are looking for from this.

In terms of who voted shadow in what order, Sven's first post was on Shadowgod, MN voted Shadowgod on page 2/3 of thread, ridiculously early, and then I voted Shadowgod in EoD.

In terms of suggested voting, it's what I posted a bit before your post:

Sanzath -> Raeko -> Antori -> ShyYoshiGuy -> dragonmega -> MN

If someone in the lynch order dies, the target should move to the next one in queue.

In terms of relation to the Shadowgod lynch, Sanzath voted Sven, the night kill, and Antori voted me. dragonmega did a vote in day 0, but unvoted and kept that unvote through eod.

[sanzath]

Alright

that felt good

I'm gonna try to spark some activity out of the inactives because goddamn the low activity level of this thread is pissing me off

somehow me and GS make up 50% of this thread and jesus christ this isn't normal

[sanzath]

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy

Wait. When did golden stinger vote Sanzath? I totally missed that. And what’s his reasoning? I’m not saying his reasoning is non-existent, just saying I missed it.

Also, to be clear, what was the actual order of suggesting voting and voting for Shadow ‘cuz I feel like it kinda came outta nowhere when I read it, but I dunno.

First off, how exactly did you miss almost an entire page of goldstinger shitting on me?

Second off, re:shadowgod votes, try answering this for yourself. Maybe reread thread and see where the votes came from exactly. GS already answered, but I feel like this is something you should try answering for yourself, and post again saying "hey I figured it out, it came out of 2 asshats leaving their votes on him really early in the game, then gs reacting to shadowgod's attempt to lynch him"

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy

All I was gonna say is that I agreed with Sanzath about Antori, but I’m not sure if I should vote him.

Let's say you vote for Antori.

Where do you go next if he isn't the wolf? Who's your next most likely candidate? Why?

[Antori]

Originally Posted by sanzath

Where do you go next if he isn't the wolf? Who's your next most likely candidate? Why?

i mean he'll still do it anyway xD

Originally Posted by sanzath

Your vote's still on Dragonmega. In light of what GS has said about them, do you still think this is a good vote? Why or why not?

i dont read the bigger posts i just glance over them, yes i think dragon is still a good vote to my knowledge they haven't done anything to prove me otherwise
list of things that prove me otherwise:
-reads
-voting

[sanzath]

Originally Posted by Antori

i dont read the bigger posts i just glance over them, yes i think dragon is still a good vote to my knowledge they haven't done anything to prove me otherwise
list of things that prove me otherwise:
-reads
-voting

wtf?

[ShyYoshiGuy]

GS:

I’ve been busy, alwite? I still don’t see it. I read the pages you told me to read a couple more times, and I don’t see it. You’re trying to trick me by posting pages of long posts of TWG-lingo words. “It’s in there. If you don’t see it, that means you’re not paying attention/you’re inactive/you’re really bad at this game, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I can’t actually summarize my thoughts. Go back and read it a couple more times until you finally understand, it’s in there.”

Sanzath:

Where you said Shadow’s vote came from is the exact reason I can’t find it. It’s just random, lucky votes. Gotcha. But that also means all my previous reads are garbage because they’re based on the random, lucky votes.

Nah, Antori and dragon are no longer my vote. My vote’s for goldenstinger.

[MarioNintendo]

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy

GS:

I’ve been busy, alwite? I still don’t see it. I read the pages you told me to read a couple more times, and I don’t see it. You’re trying to trick me by posting pages of long posts of TWG-lingo words. “It’s in there. If you don’t see it, that means you’re not paying attention/you’re inactive/you’re really bad at this game, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I can’t actually summarize my thoughts. Go back and read it a couple more times until you finally understand, it’s in there.”

Sanzath:

Where you said Shadow’s vote came from is the exact reason I can’t find it. It’s just random, lucky votes. Gotcha. But that also means all my previous reads are garbage because they’re based on the random, lucky votes.

Nah, Antori and dragon are no longer my vote. My vote’s for goldenstinger.

I don't think gold stinger is the wolf....
But if my earlier reasoning is correct, I don't think you're wolf either.

Really, one scenario I'm seeing here that ticks all the boxes is melloncollie

* Doesn't post a lot
* Town reads everyone (she did ask Antori to defend themself, but melloncollie never made a flat-out wolf read)
* Is the most likely to tell Shadow_God to STFU in wolf chat as illustrated in my thought #2
* I can see Shadow_God reacting within 2 minutes to melloncollie telling him to STFU


(melloncollie probably didn't use the words STFU, but you get the idea)

[sanzath]

Originally Posted by ShyYoshiGuy

GS:

I’ve been busy, alwite? I still don’t see it. I read the pages you told me to read a couple more times, and I don’t see it. You’re trying to trick me by posting pages of long posts of TWG-lingo words. “It’s in there. If you don’t see it, that means you’re not paying attention/you’re inactive/you’re really bad at this game, and it has nothing to do with the fact that I can’t actually summarize my thoughts. Go back and read it a couple more times until you finally understand, it’s in there.”

Sanzath:

Where you said Shadow’s vote came from is the exact reason I can’t find it. It’s just random, lucky votes. Gotcha. But that also means all my previous reads are garbage because they’re based on the random, lucky votes.

Nah, Antori and dragon are no longer my vote. My vote’s for goldenstinger.

I don't get this, specifically the bolded part.

- you never stated in any of your previous posts that you were reading anyone based on the fact that they had voted (or not) on shadowgod. (this is why it's important to actually post what you're thinking, not just think it!)
- even if you did, "random lucky votes" are never random when they come from the wolf. A wolf doesn't "randomly" land their vote on their wolf partner. If they do, it's because they're throwing their partner under the bus (usually referred to as "bussing"), which is pretty much against their own win condition, if they do it so early in the game.

[sanzath]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[sanzath]

I MUSTER THE WILLPOWER TO STAY OUT OF THREAD FOR 15 FUCKING HOURS

AND LITERALLY

13

POSTS

ONE OF THOSE POSTS IS A VOTECOUNT

??????????????????????

OH MY FUCKING GOD

[sanzath]

MARIONINTENDO YOU PIECE OF SHIT YOU'RE MY OTHER LOCKTOWN AND YOU'RE NOT EVEN POSTING ANYTHING

NOT EVEN A SHITPOST

[sanzath]

MN I see you reading the fucking thread

just

post please

I beg you

[sanzath]

Running out of time before I have to leave for work

@Raeko you got anything cool and new to say?

[sanzath]

What I really want to see before EoD today is interactions between Antori, Dragonmega, Shyyoshiguy and Raeko. Like, not just answering my or goldstinger's questions. Actually interacting with each other.

[mellon_collie]

Also I think sanzath's string of posts is mostly towny based on tone, I like his enthusiasm for the game and his frustration about people not posting seems genuine. I'd think a wolf would be more happy about a null game state

The fact that he is SO defensive toward gold stinger is a little bit worrisome and does look like overreacting based on how far away eod is and how many people even seem interested in following on that push at this point. but this could just be mixing with his frustration at the lack of activity

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

Also I think sanzath's string of posts is mostly towny based on tone, I like his enthusiasm for the game and his frustration about people not posting seems genuine. I'd think a wolf would be more happy about a null game state

The fact that he is SO defensive toward gold stinger is a little bit worrisome and does look like overreacting based on how far away eod is and how many people even seem interested in following on that push at this point. but this could just be mixing with his frustration at the lack of activity

imho Sanzath pre-goldstinger vote d1 seemed like he was taking advantage of that null game state. Like it helps that questions are being tossed around now, but when you reflect on MN's post (Get ready to put on your tinfoil hats for this dose of tunnel vision):

Originally Posted by MarioNintendo

Overall, to me this just screams "Veteran wolf", someone who has rolled wolf before, or has seen enough games to see where that eod was headed. Someone active enough to catch Shadow_God in mid-air and prevent them from spilling some beans.

Looking at our set of players, this would put some light on:
- Gold Stinger (hate to list him, because I like GS very much this game, but if he was wolf this is how I think he would play it)
- Melloncollie
- Sanzath

Originally Posted by MarioNintendo

Conclusion: To find the wolf this phase, I'll look at users who are
* easy going
* making obvious town reads (possibly to get people to agree with them and find them not menacing)

It really does seem to me, that after Sanzath wasn't getting really anywhere with me, he shifted gears to open frustration on the game and swap to asking literally everyone questions about everything.

[dragonmegaXX]

I mean it's worked pretty well so far considering that that's been one of the main points against me so far this day, with not too much else to back it up.