10th Official FFR Tournament

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by ItsOnlyDanO

well if people are saying that SoS is a 96 or whatever

D7 is gonna have fun with the 98/99 that will appear in the final

ya

[EzExZeRo7497]

Staple on Smile is definitely the most relentless file out of every 95 out there, but I personally feel that it's the easiest to PA, at least compared to its intensity. Files like Rave 7/HI/Metro are nowhere as demanding, but definitely hard to PA. It'd be odd for SoS to be categorised with Rave7/Heterochromia Iridis personally, but I could see those being the low 95s. I really really don't understand how Metro is 95 at all though, if anything I think Staple on Smile and Metro should be 96 instead. Metro is noticeably more demanding than Rave7/HI and far harder to PA not only due to burst/jack difficulty, but also length. Metro/SoS and Rave7/HI have too much of discrepancy to really be categorised personally.

97 is out of the question because SoS is not hard enough to really be differentiated by two levels. SoS's aggression is too short-lived for it to be a 97.

tl;dr why the 1-99 system is atrocious and why we should go back to 1-13 (or at least, 1-25 with the 1-13 system as a secondary)

[Rapta]

iirc, SoS felt easier than Hetero when I played them.

[gold stinger]

Just put it under 97 & move on.
There's no 97's in-game, it's harder than 95's, and metro is heavily stream-biased.
SoS is literally an easier version of RATO, given the walls aren't as dense, and there aren't gung-ho retarded jacks, but it's longer.
also luis hasn't aaa'd yet.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by EzExZeRo7497

tl;dr why the 1-99 system is atrocious and why we should go back to 1-13 (or at least, 1-25 with the 1-13 system as a secondary)

The reason for switching from 1-13 to 1-99 in the first place was because 1-13 was atrocious, so what is apparently atrocious now?

[EzExZeRo7497]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Just put it under 97 & move on.
There's no 97's in-game, it's harder than 95's, and metro is heavily stream-biased.
SoS is literally an easier version of RATO, given the walls aren't as dense, and there aren't gung-ho retarded jacks, but it's longer.
also luis hasn't aaa'd yet.

The Bird's Poisoned Bathwater is like an easier The Bird's Midair Heatstroke, so I don't understand that argument. The walls are nowhere as dense as RATO yes, it has no jacks, the "hard part" of Staple on Smile is 60%-70% of the length of RATO's length. There's no reason to put it as a 97, considering that SoS' difficulty (in terms of intensity, I mentioned before that SoS is relatively easy to score on if you have the speed for it) is very similar to Metro's low SDG/AAA difficulty.

I don't see how Metro is heavily stream-biased. It has far more than just streams, the streams aren't the hard part at all.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

The reason for switching from 1-13 to 1-99 in the first place was because 1-13 was atrocious, so what is apparently atrocious now?

My tl;dr comment was a little tongue-in-cheek. My main point is that I feel that the 1-99 system is far too intricate for its own good, and difficulty will vary by 1-3 points (and even more) based on the player's skillset. It's practically impossible to really give a difficulty objectively other than a general consensus. Unless there is some way to formulate the strengths and weaknesses of the general FFR player (which is improbable because there are some files like Turbo that have horrendous scoreboards but similar files like Club and AIM Anthem have far better scoreboards relatively), it's not possible to give a difficulty to that precision.

Honestly I feel that it'd be better to have a 1-25 scale mainly because the main issue with the 1-13 difficulty scale is that it's not detailed enough. A 1-25 scale would make the 1-13 difficulty a little more detailed, but not detailed enough for most players to feel that a file is underrated/overrated by a point unless the file is either very advantageous/disadvantageous towards their skillset.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by EzExZeRo7497

My tl;dr comment was a little tongue-in-cheek. My main point is that I feel that the 1-99 system is far too intricate for its own good, and difficulty will vary by 1-3 points (and even more) based on the player's skillset. It's practically impossible to really give a difficulty objectively other than a general consensus. Unless there is some way to formulate the strengths and weaknesses of the general FFR player (which is improbable because there are some files like Turbo that have horrendous scoreboards but similar files like Club and AIM Anthem have far better scoreboards relatively), it's not possible to give a difficulty to that precision.

Honestly I feel that it'd be better to have a 1-25 scale mainly because the main issue with the 1-13 difficulty scale is that it's not detailed enough. A 1-25 scale would make the 1-13 difficulty a little more detailed, but not detailed enough for most players to feel that a file is underrated/overrated by a point unless the file is either very advantageous/disadvantageous towards their skillset.

Yeah, I agree with this, but it would be funny to have a 1-25 scale because that's how most games scale their songs (well tbh I've mostly seen 1-35 as the song scale for certain rhythm games). Either way, the 1-99 scale is too complex to read "the perfect difficulty" for the file, but going down to 1-25 would lead into having those Low and High difficulty files in that range. Determining difficulties has to be one of the hardest things about songs it seems, but that might just be how I see it

[One Winged Angel]

Originally Posted by Dynam0

I like how r7 is arguably harder than r8 was last official tourney and the cut-off is booflag already lmao. In my opinion, difficulty is starting to become dictated purely by the leaderboards and doesn't take into account the fact that people are just plain better than they were a year ago. There's constant discussion regarding bumping files in the high 80's and low 90's down and it's for this reason. I can understand frame-fixing making the file easier but lowering difficulties based on the fact that "a lot of ppl can AAA it now" is a silly reason.

Said something similar on Skype, but basically if people are assigning absolute metrics to help quantify each difficulty sub-tier, I can see why you would take issue with this. I think it's a lot more beneficial (and leads to more accurate placements on a scale as expansive as 1-99) to look at difficulties and assign their placements based on their relative difficulty to other songs in the same region, and scoring statistics are a good indicator of whether or not something should be moved if you adopt that mindset. But even then, they're only an indicator. Stinger has more AAAs than most 87s and some 86s but it's not getting bumped down from 90 anytime soon.

That being said, SoS + Metro are 96s now and this helps my 'have difficulties approximate a normal distribution' project so no one mess it up ok great thanks

[Zapmeister]

i see you also just bumped party 4u -holy nite mix- from 98 to 99 right now

is it just because you can say you've personally aaa'd a 99 or something

edit: also means there are no 97s or 98s in game so that screws the point of having a 1-99 scale if you don't use all of it

[One Winged Angel]

yes because p4u is a 99 in the same way DP and RATO are both 99s and I want to be able to say I can hit files at that caliber just as accurately (ur an idiot)

p4u never should have been 98 to begin with, and with r8's song being introduced next week, I'd prefer that 97 and 98 aren't diluted with 'joke' songs

[AlexDest]

Originally Posted by Zapmeister

i see you also just bumped party 4u -holy nite mix- from 98 to 99 right now

is it just because you can say you've personally aaa'd a 99 or something

edit: also means there are no 97s or 98s in game so that screws the point of having a 1-99 scale if you don't use all of it

not like there aren't enough 95+ difficulty charts in-game to be able to determine what would be an appropriate place for them right

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by One Winged Angel

p4u never should have been 98 to begin with, and with r8's song being introduced next week, I'd prefer that 97 and 98 aren't diluted with 'joke' songs

bolt thrower 98

[SK8R43]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

bolt thrower 98

Ill quit. doesnt really need to be in game haha

[j-rodd123]

you actually care that much that youd quit if a 98 gets put in game. sick life

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by SK8R43

Ill quit. doesnt really need to be in game haha

if you'll quit at Bolt Thrower being put as a 98, you might do worse to yourself when you realize that Bolt Thrower in a Chinese Restaurant legitimately breaks the 1-99 scale (as in, it's too high of a file to be contained at 99 legitimately with Vrofl no longer in that part of the metric).

[SK8R43]

I couldnt care less about the rating of it XD I mean the actual file. haha

Edit: I mean, unless its a token of course. then sure go for it. :P

[ItsOnlyDanO]

wasn't bolt thrower rated at like 102 or something

I remember it being mentioned back in the last official that it some kind of broken rating

[Tim Allen]

bolt thrower will separate the GOATs from the WOATs i'm ready for it

[ilikexd]

its like a 96-95 tbh

[Fission]

Originally Posted by SK8R43

I couldnt care less about the rating of it XD I mean the actual file. haha

Edit: I mean, unless its a token of course. then sure go for it. :P

you mean simfile authors and judges don't cater to your every whim? oh the humanity.