DP/RATO move to tokens?

[One Winged Angel]

Informal OP because I'm eating dinner in like five minutes but it'll get the point across.

Is anyone against moving both of these files to token levelranks? If so, why? I know they have both been public for a long time, so if the switch does happen, they'll be given very easy requirements to unlock so that anyone of any skill level can play the files once again. E.g. Pass Winter Wind Etude (or something easier if this is too difficult for some D1 players) to unlock Death Piano.

I just think (and I'm sure others do as well) that files of this silly difficulty will mesh better with the other silly files in token levelranks (WW pt.2, p4u v1, vrofl..) and would be better off there than public.

Anyways, post here if you're for or against the idea. If against, please state why. I can assure you that the requirements for re-unlocking should not be an issue for any player.

[TC_Halogen]

yes (to moving to token level ranks)

(that is all)

EDIT: Serious edit: the reason why I am for moving these two songs to token ranks is because unlike the mid/mid-upper 90 files (95/96), DP and RATO have absolutely ridiculous score spreads and most certainly won't change anytime soon.

RATO does require an obscene amount of luck to get a full combo, let alone to get decent PA on top of it. DP is a lot more skillful, but the way it tests the skills is absolutely brutal and it would take a one-in-a-million run for most players to even get any sort of respectable run in comparison to what they are capable of doing. (Dossar is an obvious exception to this, of course.)

I actually wonder what the top ranked players are thinking about this change... I feel like they're the best people to make this decision, considering they're the few players that actually can do the song.

[samurai7694]

yes (to moving it to token ranks)

[noname219]

Good news.

Passing WWE is probably too hard for some players, the very last part is hard to manage if you can't read it.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

I actually wonder what the top ranked players are thinking about this change...

I can tell when I'm not wanted
But yeah, these two files are complete shitfests in comparison to everything else. They're obviously joke files and my ranks aren't laughing.

[Plan_Bsk81127]

In a way I dont see the need to move them because those two are actually playable if you actually put effort into it. Sure they are an ass to combo/FC without mashing, but there other charts like that as well. People first instinct at those level of charts is to mash which isnt a good thing and gives higher end charts a bad look sometimes.

However, I do think they need to be moved for the fact that these charts are a complete joke. They are pretty poorly done and would be better as tokens for the sake of that "joke chart" title some of the other tokens have.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

I can tell when I'm not wanted
But yeah, these two files are complete shitfests in comparison to everything else. They're obviously joke files and my ranks aren't laughing.

D:

I meant on this file, not in general T_T

@ Fission: you make a good point, but it's pretty bad when players that were working on their ranks had no intentions on touching it. When I had an average rank of < 1.05, I would work on all of my other files, but never touch Death Piano or RATO because they truly are just... unfun.

RATO requires luck because there are obscenely fast bursts that obviously have to be cheated with rhythmically sub-divided jumptrilling. For me, DP isn't that bad; it's very possible to AAA. RATO is more up my alley with the heavy jumpstreaming and strange patterning, but the file really is bullshit (sorry DGK).

EDIT: in your defense... getting a good file at this difficulty level is nearly impossible.

[DossarLX ODI]

So I come back to find this thread and it exploded pretty fast!

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

DP and RATO have absolutely ridiculous score spreads and most certainly won't change anytime soon.

Right, and I don't support heavy mashing to get an FC on these files. They're so disproportionately harder to get good accuracy with an FC compared to the rest of the public songs that it's essentially an insult to the players who are putting in the effort to improve their public ranks. Moving to token ranks would be incentive to go for accuracy rather than mash hard.

Also I don't think anyone actually finds scoring on RATO or DP fun if they have to FC it. Those files have too many parts to screw up, especially at the end (fuckin' Death Piano 11-0-0-0)

[shadow 1800]

For this as well.

[Fission]

it is so hard to actually fail files on ffr, not sure what you are talking about. you can quad mash WWE and pass it with ease.

[Xx{Fallen}xX]

I hate death piano, i wont miss it. I just hope that when i play some of the less experienced players in mp, they will stop picking these songs so often.

[arcnmx]

Agreed, because of this:

Originally Posted by Xx{Fallen}xX

I just hope that when i play some of the less experienced players in mp, they will stop picking these songs so often.

[RagedBerserker]

Hell yeah I am for this.

[Fission]

going to have the unpopular opinion here and disagree with moving them to tokens. moving them to token level ranks gives people less incentive to play them once they have run out of other things to AAA. the problem is there is not enough FSOs to fill the gaps between RATO and DP and files that aren't as hard, not the files themselves being too hard.

[RagedBerserker]

Originally Posted by Fission

going to have the unpopular opinion here and disagree with moving them to tokens. moving them to token level ranks gives people less incentive to play them once they have run out of other things to AAA.

Right... well that would be the <.1% of FFR.

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Fission

going to have the unpopular opinion here and disagree with moving them to tokens. moving them to token level ranks gives people less incentive to play them once they have run out of other things to AAA.

I don't see any good reason to play RATO in the first place

anyway

yes

also finally get to moving Legacy to token ranks pls

[Fission]

Originally Posted by RagedBerserker

Right... well that would be the <.1% of FFR.

so? moving them to token level ranks is just like saying "i AAAed everything i'm done" even though you really didn't.

[DarkZtar]

Originally Posted by Fission

so? moving them to token level ranks is just like saying "i AAAed everything i'm done" even though you really didn't.

if dp and rato became tokens it wouldn't make a good score on them any less impressive~ FFR isn't a game that should be judged on "completion"~


+1 for the change~

[Fission]

Originally Posted by DarkZtar

if dp and rato became tokens it wouldn't make a good score on them any less impressive

i never said that. i said there is less incentive to play them.

Originally Posted by DarkZtar

~ FFR isn't a game that should be judged on "completion"~

care to elaborate?

there are stat bars that lists how many AAAs, FCs, and tier points you have. this is indicative of the gaming being about completion. if it isn't suppose to be, just remove them altogether.

Originally Posted by RagedBerserker

Only difference is people will say, "I AAA'd everything I'm done, except RATO and DP, but they are shitty files so who cares."

you are making an assumption that everybody feels this way. that isn't true, i know players who don't think this.

[DarkZtar]

Originally Posted by Fission

i never said that. i said there is less incentive to play them.

I wasen't responding to your point, but if you insist I do, I don't think there was a whole lot of incentive to play them in the first place (considering the vast majority of players have to resort to mashing both files which in all honesty is not particularly fun~)

Originally Posted by Fission

there are stat bars that lists how many AAAs, FCs, and tier points you have. this is indicative of the gaming being about completion. if it isn't suppose to be, just remove them altogether.

Then we just view the game differently. imo stats on FFR are more just to give you a sense of how much you've accomplished rather than tell you how much further you have to go~