jTWG LXXXIV: 8 New Players and Raeko Game Thread

[gold stinger]

dragonmega you really have to read from a standpoint that they've never played a game of TWG before, and whether or not they would have received assistance in playing the game through wolfchat in d0.

Antori and ShyYoshiGuy are both playing this game from a mechanical standpoint and they both aren't really reading why people are leaning the way they are. I mean, ShyYoshiGuy voting me is basically the pinnacle of that.

[dragonmegaXX]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

dragonmega you really have to read from a standpoint that they've never played a game of TWG before, and whether or not they would have received assistance in playing the game through wolfchat in d0.

Antori and ShyYoshiGuy are both playing this game from a mechanical standpoint and they both aren't really reading why people are leaning the way they are. I mean, ShyYoshiGuy voting me is basically the pinnacle of that.

I realize this. To be honest I’ve seen both of them make simple decisions based on little to no information. When MN made his giant post, I wanted to support and maybe switch votes, but I kind of sensed it was a bait to see who would switch votes right away, and seeing Yoshi do just that kind of confirmed that. It was mainly me concerned that I wouldn’t be able to give valid reasons for why I switched or anything like that, because I don’t have a solid read on Antori or anything, I mainly voted because he was like the third person to kind of heavily read into the dead wolf’s read on me and it was getting annoying.

I understand the mechanics at this point. I’m just trying to figure out the mindsets and how people interpret things before I post things, because essentially anyone here from my perspective can be a wolf and seeing each other twist and turn votes/leads is making me nervous to come out of my shell and say anything I’m not 100% confident in.

[sanzath]

reading MN's Thought posts right now

holy shit thank you

[MarioNintendo]

Anytime, bud

[gold stinger]

@MN what's your thoughts on my dragonmega read? ShyYoshiGuy didn't really see it and thought it was out there enough to vote me, Raeko can't see it

[MarioNintendo]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

@MN what's your thoughts on my dragonmega read? ShyYoshiGuy didn't really see it and thought it was out there enough to vote me, Raeko can't see it

The only thing that makes dragon look bad in my eyes is Shadow_God's read on them. Dragon doesn't know the lingo, but it doesn't affect my opinion at all, since it's both so easy to fake and so probable to be true...

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

@MN what's your thoughts on my dragonmega read? ShyYoshiGuy didn't really see it and thought it was out there enough to vote me, Raeko can't see it

I just think you're putting a bit too much stock into wolf chat interactions. Shadow wouldn't have been able to predict that happening after his own flip, there's no way he could have coached dragon on what "read" meant if it just hadn't come up in their chat

especially if they are both clueless wolf chat wouldn't really help much.

I think being clueless is pretty NAI in itself, since someone wouldn't know any better just by rolling a certain alignment other than a few things from wolf chat (but again I don't think we should put too much stock into that)

[gold stinger]

pointing specifically to this post

Originally Posted by gold stinger

My problem with wolf votes on dragonmega this phase is because literally the entire game dragonmega has been playing a game where they do not know what certain things or opinions on plays are, and are doing wolfy things/making bad plays without even realizing it. Even if the argument is "But Shadowgod is also a brand new player and also made bad plays and doesn't know certain things", it doesn't change that dragonmega didn't know what a read was after the flip when Shadowgod did. I feel like if there was some level of confusion on how to read things in the thread, Shadowgod would have at least assisted that much getting their wolf partner on board.

[MarioNintendo]

Yoshi is worrying me a lot

Sanzath, I try to see GS's world, but I feel you are zoning out too much. From what I recall, he made some believable calls. I don't know how to interpret his vote on h&h, and I'm very afraid of his wolf game so I try to keep my eyes peeled... There are just so many more things sticking out from other players that I have a hard time focusing on sanz. Again, I can see him being wolf. That's because he plays exactly the same, whether he is wolf or town. We will catch Sanz by understanding the intent of his posts.

Honestly, Antori and dragon voting each other makes me think "Confused towns". It makes me want to focus my attention elsewhere

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by MarioNintendo

Honestly, Antori and dragon voting each other makes me think "Confused towns". It makes me want to focus my attention elsewhere

This.

[MarioNintendo]

Originally Posted by MarioNintendo

Yoshi is worrying me a lot

Sanzath, I try to see GS's world, but I feel you are zoning out too much. From what I recall, he made some believable calls. I don't know how to interpret his vote on h&h, and I'm very afraid of his wolf game so I try to keep my eyes peeled... There are just so many more things sticking out from other players that I have a hard time focusing on sanz. Again, I can see him being wolf. That's because he plays exactly the same, whether he is wolf or town. We will catch Sanz by understanding the intent of his posts.

Honestly, Antori and dragon voting each other makes me think "Confused towns". It makes me want to focus my attention elsewhere

Clarification: the "you" in my Sanzath read is Gold Stinger. I am not talking to Sanz in this post

[MarioNintendo]

Originally Posted by MarioNintendo

Yoshi is worrying me a lot

I thought more about Yoshi.

Why would Yoshi switch from gold stinger to voting mellon so quickly?
Their reasoning: my argument swayed them

What I see:
If Yoshi is a town:
This is a bad play. People already don't trust them. The fact Yoshi joins a new vote suggestion so quickly and without any acknowledgement of how weird it is makes them look weird.
The reason Yoshi gave would be the true reason, he just went for the most compelling candidate, despite the optics that would result from this.
Conclusion: if Yoshi is town, he plays an independent town. Yoshi doesn't care what people think about them, as long as Yoshi finds the wolf. I find this believable.

If Yoshi is a wolf:
Yoshi moved their vote to melloncollie to get a train going. Melloncollie has a "big dick" wall of text lining up with her actions, which would make her an easy mislynch if a lot of people get on this train.

However, I find this play wouldn't make sense as a wolf.
* I cannot picture a world where a junior wolf would attempt to make waves at this point in the game. My entire reasoning is based on this hypothesis. By moving their vote, Yoshi is clearly making some big waves. Any player who rolled wolf, regardless of how noob they are, can understand how votes attract attention, and why switching votes so suddenly at that specific time would be the equivalent of digging their own grave. No one does that. There is nothing to gain here.
* I cannot picture a world were a Veteran wolf would attempt to make waves at this point either. A veteran knows better than to completely 180 their thoughts from a single townie post. It looks bad, like "oh, this town says something that fits my agenda, so I approve!". It looks bad from a mile away. Nobody attemps that.

Tl;dr, I only see this strange vote switch if Yoshi is a town that doesn't care what people think about them. This is what I'll choose to believe from now on. I'm able to reconciliate the picture I had of them before their vote switch with their current actions.

[Antori]

Originally Posted by MarioNintendo

Tl;dr, I only see this strange vote switch if Yoshi is a town that doesn't care what people think about them. This is what I'll choose to believe from now on. I'm able to reconciliate the picture I had of them before their vote switch with their current actions.

that's what i thought after maby 5th or 6th post he made, i suspected him earlier than that because he didn't post much at all

[MarioNintendo]

NAI = Not alignment indicative

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by MarioNintendo

NAI = Not alignment indicative

sorry, I'll try to stop using so many random terms I keep forgetting this is a jTWG

[dragonmegaXX]

My dumbass also just realized GS was talking to Raeko and not me nice

[gold stinger]

Add Yoshi in there y'all a buncha confused af towns

[dragonmegaXX]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Add Yoshi in there y'all a buncha confused af towns

I feel like this is the whole point of hosting a jTWG

[sanzath]

(accidentally posted because I forgot I was making a post for all 3 thoughts)

Regarding thought #3:

You declaring your intent to watch out for people changing their behaviour will also change their behaviour, lol

[gold stinger]

would shadowgod townread dragonmega because mellon_collie townread dragonmega

if only the game were that simple