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**gold stinger** · 07-26-2021, 12:49 PM

star-crossed Gives the most general information across everyone's games rather than one person's game. With blind being PR, and Subaru being a ??? that's most likely town, this is where my vote will be.

We should probably try to resolve this somewhat soon, I imagine the main game thread will need at least like 6-ish hours maybe to process this, because apparently some people don't even bother to look at this game thread.

**blindreper1179** · 07-26-2021, 02:03 PM

Just caught up. I don't know about the star vote, they instantly jump into the game and ISOd two people it seems. And read everything. I feel a wolf would skim and point out bs things to push an agenda. Star quoted things they agree and are unsure about.
You on the other hand have been very leader like. You've been upset not all info is on your hands (live chat example) you started this thread gun ho and had a way to communicate threads easily. (Which is nai) You've been extremely chatty quoting way way too much. It's thread filling.
I have to leave lunch. I'll get to sub on next break.

I feel like most info would be a sub/ gold lynch. If by God's guess star was wolf or town, it's not gonna help us, we'd still be at square one.

**gold stinger** · 07-26-2021, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Just caught up. I don't know about the star vote, they instantly jump into the game and ISOd two people it seems. And read everything. I feel a wolf would skim and point out bs things to push an agenda. Star quoted things they agree and are unsure about.
You on the other hand have been very leader like. You've been upset not all info is on your hands (live chat example) you started this thread gun ho and had a way to communicate threads easily. (Which is nai) You've been extremely chatty quoting way way too much. It's thread filling.
I have to leave lunch. I'll get to sub on next break.

I feel like most info would be a sub/ gold lynch. If by God's guess star was wolf or town, it's not gonna help us, we'd still be at square one.

This is the sort of parsing that I was behind initially, until I decided that it's not just my game that I'm playing, but everyone's game with this vote.

Considering I'm already 1 death removed, I might as well make the most informationally-available lynch that benefits everyone's parsing of the game state rather than just my own. In my opinion, that would be having to go back to the roots of the wagons that happened for d0 voting, which is the Logman stack, and the Haku stack.

Reason I come to that conclusion, is because we are under assumption that everyone here is town, yes? What information comes to light if I flip town? What about Subaru? Logman (star-crossed) flipping town means incorrect votes from d0 that can be analyzed. There isn't much to analyze on a Subaru / gs kill, unless you want to check my reads to see if they are town-genuine, which may or may not be wrong because it's day 1 and you could check with a star-crossed lynch, or check Subaru of which I have nothing for and doubt it would provide much information, I'd have to read back through the thread to see what their thoughts are on other players.

DaBackpack · 07-28-2021, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Just caught up. I don't know about the star vote, they instantly jump into the game and ISOd two people it seems. And read everything. I feel a wolf would skim and point out bs things to push an agenda. Star quoted things they agree and are unsure about.
You on the other hand have been very leader like. You've been upset not all info is on your hands (live chat example) you started this thread gun ho and had a way to communicate threads easily. (Which is nai) You've been extremely chatty quoting way way too much. It's thread filling.
I have to leave lunch. I'll get to sub on next break.

I feel like most info would be a sub/ gold lynch. If by God's guess star was wolf or town, it's not gonna help us, we'd still be at square one.

This makes me think blind is probably town, but I think he absolutely should have gotten night results when he died

As far as "normal mechanics" would go, the only way that he would not get a result is if he was also roleblocked.

If blind is town and got roleblocked AND killed, that indicates fear to me. They wanted him gone and were also afraid of what his night action could do to the game.

REMEMBER: wolves did not realize that there was gonna be a second game.

If wolves thought he was an info role, killing him was good enough to do that. He would take his info to the grave. But if they RB'd AND killed him, that reveals that wolves thought he had a stronger power than just an info role: maybe a doctor or vigilante. They needed to stop his action, AND get rid of him.

If blind fully claimed to his neighbor, his neighbor would know that blind was just an info role, and would not roleblock him. If we buy into these premises, that makes blind's neighbor look pretty towny right now.

Who is blind's neighbor again?

**roundbox** · 07-28-2021, 02:47 PM

Both counter-wagons alive and walking makes me weary

star-crossed · 07-26-2021, 03:14 PM

I have been reading with an end of day voting focus. I apologize that I can be long-winded, but I think how strongly I personally feel in something is less important than how I got there.

star-crossed · 07-26-2021, 03:28 PM

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@ star

I am going to address all of this later, I am going to be busy untill little later, but, I will atleast point a few things,

My wierd takes have always been a part of my game, its how I word things, I have hard time putting actions into words but, I will try,

I will say at this point I am very suspicious of Haku, xiz, storn. I will make some more posts later, My spicy takes i put in ootc, which was T force and bugkids interactions seemed calculated and not guinined especially the one where bugkid rage voted T force for their not wanting to lynch new people.

The ben thing was mainly about a flip, if ben was town I think lewdy looks a lot worse,

I was inetionally thnking bugkid and t force had background information but, it might be just the way they interact with each other.

Choof, I think has information, hes not telling people and thats why he was so agressive. I think he has some kind of role or something.

I will go into more detail about haku, xiz, not really storn because hes just playing terrible game.

Thank you for the context about Bugkid and T-Force being sus to you, that makes it more clear why you would care about Bugkid's vote. I did not read it that way so much, I think that they both seem passionate about their opposing theories. But, I do think that it is a fair thing to look into, because I think wolves may be biased to seeing other wolves as wolves for innocuous things because they already know them to be. I do not understand the point in keeping that card closer to your chest, when it seems like a better conversation topic than many going on at the time. I have not played with Bugkid before, so I have no meta for you, but there should be people that have.

star-crossed · 07-26-2021, 03:57 PM

I think the most likely scenario is that we are all town, from the info sun fan gave. Personally I do not want to die, before I can fully play, but I can understand it from the perspective that this player received more votes. The problem, is that I fear my flip actually gives little, because Logo was a default vote.

Based on process of elimination, my D0 lean and the fact that I think Gold stinger is the least likely to have been actually killed off by the wolves, I personally feel best Gold stinger for now.

I am running late for work, so I was hoping to think it through more first, but I do not want to hold things up either.

**gold stinger** · 07-26-2021, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by star-crossed

I think the most likely scenario is that we are all town, from the info sun fan gave. Personally I do not want to die, before I can fully play, but I can understand it from the perspective that this player received more votes. The problem, is that I fear my flip actually gives little, because Logo was a default vote.

Based on process of elimination, my D0 lean and the fact that I think Gold stinger is the least likely to have been actually killed off by the wolves, I personally feel best Gold stinger for now.

I am running late for work, so I was hoping to think it through more first, but I do not want to hold things up either.

Great, so we're completely indecisive now and can't seriously help the main game (with blind wanting to vote Subaru, and Subaru still being ???)

DaBackpack · 07-28-2021, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by star-crossed

Based on process of elimination, my D0 lean and the fact that I think Gold stinger is the least likely to have been actually killed off by the wolves, I personally feel best Gold stinger for now.

nice read 😎

**gold stinger** · 07-26-2021, 04:10 PM

@DaBackpack

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

an important thing to remember is that (im assuming) nobody in the game knew that there was going to be a purgatory game thread. which means, wolves EXPECTED a color flip last phase, just like the rest of us.

This is also why Charu and Ben are in my scum reads, because by deductive reasoning, kills and night actions would've been sent on the premise that they would've returned color flips as well, under assumption that the no flip was a power or side effect or something. It wasn't until the beginning of this day phase, that it was made known that dead players were in a second game. In the happenstance that NO ONE knew about that mechanic, then wolves didn't know that whom they killed would have a voice throughout the rest of the game, and could communicate to alive players.

see: this post

**blindreper1179** · 07-26-2021, 04:13 PM

Ok, i ISOd sub in this game, don't have time for main game. Sub is mostly posting useless stuff with a side of interacting with others over schematics and such. Posting about not being here and how fucked this game is. Lots of posts, not a lot of content. Star is doing an amazing job of picking people part right now. There've made like 10 posts and have been more useful than any of us. That in turn might make a good lynch over what they flip, but I feel star is more town than any of the three options at this point. Im going to go Subaru as of right now, with not voting though, don't want a hammer just yet? In xss someone rush votes or something.

**gold stinger** · 07-26-2021, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Im going to go Subaru as of right now, with not voting though, don't want a hammer just yet? In xss someone rush votes or something.

Alright, then can we get some idea of what clarity a green Subaru flip would give? I'm still looking through posts, at the graph bit.

**gold stinger** · 07-26-2021, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gold stinger

Alright, then can we get some idea of what clarity a green Subaru flip would give? I'm still looking through posts, at the graph bit.

I did a skim

Most I got was Subaru being upset about people voting him d0 and not responding to his questions, namely Celery

and Ben.

wow.

sugoi ze.

**blindreper1179** · 07-26-2021, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gold stinger

Alright, then can we get some idea of what clarity a green Subaru flip would give? I'm still looking through posts, at the graph bit.

That's the thing, I'm not too sure, i don't know what he said main game. I do know what star and you and sub said this game. Idk what you said in main either tbh. I just know im not voting star because they are ripping things out. Very opposite of log.

Im actually weary that you didn't think of what i wrote about my partner, unless you did and that's why you're gunning for him. You know my neighbor is smart and killing me, and blaming him is quite easy to do.

**blindreper1179** · 07-26-2021, 04:17 PM

I get why you're on my neighbor so much, but even if they knew what i could do, they knew my target. All they would have to do is say "hey Xiz don't make the kill" if xiz is even a wolf. My neighbor basically controlling where my track goes if we're agreed on things makes me useless. I don't see my neighbor killing me when they know I was going to get nothing in return. If anything, if my neighbor was a wolf, and i tracked a non wolf and get a return action, they kill them the next night. I don't see my neighbor killing me, especially since they're smart.

**gold stinger** · 07-26-2021, 04:45 PM

@DaBackpack

@blindreper

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

this is a great post by blind(for once)

what stands out to me is the stark contrast in gold's behavior from d0 to d1. IF there are any wolves in the purgatory game, he's a top candidate, since his level of engagement seems dramatically enhanced from yesterday.

it's because there's a new "mystery" for him that he wants to solve, that doesn't require him to scumhunt or solve the game normally. remember: he had committed to lynching inactives early on yesterday.

blind mentioned "having control" as a wolf value and this is right on the money. at least speaking from personal experience, I always want to feel like I'm in control of the game when I'm a wolf. After all, if I'm winning, I want to KEEP winning. To that extent, stochasticity is not purely a good thing for wolves. Not even understanding the game mechanics means that this is wolves "not having control." Naturally they are going to want to understand the mechanics so they can regain that control of the game.

-----There might not even be any wolves in the purgatory thread. The fact that someone would have an increased interest in the game because of unique bastard rules is generic enough to apply to anybody. But my POV is still that Gold Stinger should be voted out in the purgatory thread.

blind is a PR.
star_crossed is subbing in for an inactive, and seems townie so far.

Subaru is a good second choice. I think if we live in a world where there are TWO wolves in the purgatory game, Subaru would fit with Gold Stinger. Subaru might even fit with star_crossed, idk.

@blind @star_crossed

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Originally Posted by blindreper1179

That's the thing, I'm not too sure, i don't know what he said main game. I do know what star and you and sub said this game. Idk what you said in main either tbh. I just know im not voting star because they are ripping things out. Very opposite of log.

Im actually weary that you didn't think of what i wrote about my partner, unless you did and that's why you're gunning for him. You know my neighbor is smart and killing me, and blaming him is quite easy to do.

Cool, so, we're in agreement (of some case) then.

Here's a reads list:

**gold stinger** · 07-26-2021, 04:46 PM

Here's my vote on myself

gold stinger

now vote me or this day phase will not end until it ends at the same time as the main game thread, causing them to have NO INFO for this day phase from this game, AND I force kitb.

**gold stinger** · 07-26-2021, 04:47 PM

I swear to god it's like a game full of town's can't bother to actually make the move to take a bullet for advancement of the game in the right direction.

**blindreper1179** · 07-26-2021, 04:53 PM

I mean, I wanted to vote you after my thought process in my last post, but didn't want to hammer yet. But gold hopefully this helps the main thread town people.

07-26-2021, 03:57 PM	#8
star-crossed FFR Player Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 474	Re: ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT I think the most likely scenario is that we are all town, from the info sun fan gave. Personally I do not want to die, before I can fully play, but I can understand it from the perspective that this player received more votes. The problem, is that I fear my flip actually gives little, because Logo was a default vote. Based on process of elimination, my D0 lean and the fact that I think Gold stinger is the least likely to have been actually killed off by the wolves, I personally feel best Gold stinger for now. I am running late for work, so I was hoping to think it through more first, but I do not want to hold things up either.

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