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This combined with Haku not actually using the information he got in the game thread, could it have skewed his own views of people? Sure without a doubt, but he never brought it to light in the game. Those of us who were alive had no idea this was even happening until postgame, so it's not as if it had any significant impact on the game in-hindsight.
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Clearly yes he did do something wrong, and should receive some sort of punishment for it, but I feel like 3 months is excessive. Keep in mind that I was only banned for less than 6 months or so before I came back from my "permaban"
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03-11-2016, 11:28 AM | #62 | |
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03-11-2016, 11:29 AM | #63 |
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haku attempted to talk to people outside of thread during xiz's game, and was told that that was not allowed by said parties. It's actually not the first time he's done it
plus, the reasoning behind cheating? to "bring the issues to light" mhm that's superb justification. and for a third time, it seriously seems like both parties are still trying to justify what they did. I don't think the bans should be shortened until otherwise. also, it did have an impact on the game - for example, knowing that i was a mafia, with the random "i'm going to kill yoshl in the night", caused wolves to roleblock him, and from there, who knows where the game would have differed.
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03-11-2016, 11:34 AM | #65 | |
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Basically, I think he's not doing himself any favors.
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03-11-2016, 11:51 AM | #66 | |
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I did not know this.
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03-11-2016, 12:36 PM | #67 |
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Unnecessary. What did happen happened. There's no point in bringing up possibilities and changes in outcome unless you've got some swanky little time machine.
What is relevant is that this happened (and twice now from what I see) and the main question I have for Haku is: why? Were you unaware that you're not allowed to talk about the game outside of the thread unless the game specifically allows it? Were you just trying to push the boundaries and see where the line was drawn? If you want us to help you, and other players in the future, helping us is the key. That said, if it's the second, that's kind of a dick move.. Either way, as I see it, 3 months = approx. 5 games and that's a good limit, in my opinion. As for rzr, I really don't know.. In the sense of fairness, I would agree that similar punishments should be in order, but without knowing who started this conversation, mixed in with the fact that - as a veteran player of many years - this is a well known rule that he should be known, and amplified by his reaction (dude.. seriously, that's not cool), there are a lot of things that need to be confirmed/looked at before his verdict is handed down. (also, what are the bets that they just didn't realize OotC was off) |
03-11-2016, 12:39 PM | #68 |
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I wasn't aware of it until a few days ago either, RB.
Also RB since your penalty you have improved significantly as a player, and I'm glad you have stuck around. After thinking about it with a clear head, even with Rzr's recent remarks, I disagree with a perma-ban and think an end-of-the-year ban is appropriate regardless of immaturity. For haku, end of the year still is appropriate due to this is now the 2nd offence within three games that we are aware of where breaking the rules did occur, when I believe he only thought he was bending them. I guess the information that was misinterpreted was that each individual needs to hold themselves to an 'unwritten' code of respect and honor (that sounds cheesy) to keep the spirit and flavor of the game enjoyable for every other participant. In other words, if it sounds like it's very slightly against or bending the rules, treat it as against said rules.
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(Also, super MVP for the past game goes to me for beating the game even with all the cheating huehuehue)
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03-11-2016, 01:07 PM | #70 | |
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Thanks, although myself I don't really feel like I'm doing any better in terms of progressing games.
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03-11-2016, 01:27 PM | #71 | |
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03-11-2016, 01:30 PM | #72 | |
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the comment he made shows that he has zero remorse for what he did and if that's the case, he will probably have no issue doing it again later down the road if we come to the consensus that he doesn't get a perma, then the instant he breaks another rule after getting unbanned, he should be fuckin toast |
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haku's motivation behind actually cheating is very foggy, because he keeps trying to save face to others, and say other things. from what i've gathered, his strongest line of reasoning was that "he had to do something drastic to bring the issue of cheating to our attention". Which again, is in my opinion 100% bullshit, he could have stopped as soon as rzr contacted him, and reported it to sunfan. ez, people get modkilled or replaced out, no harm done. accidents happen. What's not an accident is proliferating the contact and continuing it throughout the game. and once again, the point of the ban is to let the banned person know and understand that what they did was wrong, regardless of motivation. Quote:
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if you ban someone for one game, depending on how many players are in that game, it can last anywhere from a week to a month. a week of me not playing won't do much to dissuade me from breaking rules. but if you make it a month long ban, that could be anywhere from 1 to potentially 4 games |
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I agree with what choof said and I also disagree with this self-assessment, I think you did a lot when you got confirmed as IC, for example
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As for making bans a length of time rather than a length of games, it has one rather easy-to-fix problem in when the ban officially "ends". Can you be a replacement if your ban ends after a TWG game has started or not? I'd lean towards yes but its something that would need to be figured out beforehand. Yoshl suggested period-of-time bans when we were talking recently, I have to admit that I don't quite see the point... but I also agree that bans for like, 1 game are pretty near meaningless.
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