What's happening in here?

[Rapta]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

These threads come up, some of the staff replies, then it goes back to the same ol same ol every time.

I don't think that will be the case if staff applications are opened. Usually adding new people jump starts things, if even for a little while.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

These threads come up, some of the staff replies, then it goes back to the same ol same ol every time.

And this is the problem. How do we get actual movement?

[psychoangel691]

I should word this better

By having a top level manager that isn't afraid to hurt someone's feelings by essentially "firing" them if they aren't doing their job and someone who isn't influenced by who they're friends with. But I already know this wont happen cause it's come up a ton of times.

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

And this is the problem. How do we get actual movement?

get competent administrators rather than relying on the current structure? make infrastructure changes along the way?

you don't just get rid of an entire team and gauge reaction of interest, you phase people in and out and get a working team - contrary to belief, there were periods where parts of the site's staff were actually working and moving

this extends in a different direction from needing new staff - it requires an upper level restructure beyond the areas that are suffering in the first place; as said earlier in the thread, the issue is with the administrative staff not doing their due diligence in communicating things

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Rapta

I don't think that will be the case if staff applications are opened. Usually adding new people jump starts things, if even for a little while.

There has been so many times staff applications have gone up, that isn't going to make a difference when things aren't being managed in the first place. Just continuing to throw people on with no organization helps nothing.

[MinaciousGrace]

hey while we're on the subject of the batch has anyone stopped to think what the fuck the point of the batch is and why you do it

[Rapta]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

By having a top level manager that doesn't give a fuck and actually manages shit, but that's never going to happen.

Let's have a second tier top level manager, a guy below someone else, so that if they ruin everything, someone is above them and can fix everything if need be. The guy above the second tier manager doesn't even have to be active, just be available if something happens.

Just spit balling here sorry if this seems like a super raw idea

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Rapta

Let's have a second tier top level manager, a guy below someone else, so that if they ruin everything, someone is above them and can fix everything if need be. The guy above the second tier manager doesn't even have to be active, just be available if something happens.

Just spit balling here sorry if this seems like a super raw idea

Reworded what I said so it would make more sense

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I should word this better

By having a top level manager that isn't afraid to hurt someone's feelings by essentially "firing" them if they aren't doing their job and someone who isn't influenced by who they're friends with. But I already know this wont happen cause it's come up a ton of times.

But yes, there needs to be more of a structure like you'd see in a company. I mean most companies have a regional manager, a store manager then department managers. Here we really don't have anyone that's actually acting like the top level management at all. Everyone's sticking to their own groups.

Anyway, this is all stuff I've said for like the last 4 years. I've been trying to not get so involved in any of this anymore because it's caused me a ton of backlash and no progress. Like I mentioned in my long post, I'd gladly start doing a what's happenin' again at the least if all the groups will work with me.

[Trumpet63]

If you need someone to just annoy every group on a regular basis, I'd be happy to volunteer.

[justin_ator]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

And this is the problem. How do we get actual movement?

Getting movement isn't the problem, keeping the momentum going is - I think that's what you're referring to but wanted to mention that.

The issue in my opinion boils down to accountability. If "Bob" doesn't feel the need to do A, once they don't feel like doing A it doesn't happen and B/C/D/E don't ever get addressed and F/G/H never come up because we are still sitting at A.

I don't mean to downplay the Twitch addition Velocity did on the site, but if he (or any other dev with the ability to do back-end SITE changes) had taken my original questions and pushes seriously when I tried to get the Twitch streams things integrated I think it could have been a far more engaging and useful thing to the FFR community. By the time it got integrated (and not at the level I was hoping, I might add) nobody (not to be rude, but it's true) honestly cared anymore. There was a time where Twitch streaming FFR was a regular thing. At this point I'm lucky to see anything but osu streams on the front page.

Back to the accountability example, if Bob is held to finishing A by a given deadline, then he either delivers or steps down for someone that can (barring life circumstances etc that legitimately would be priority - in which case maybe Bob should focus on those and not be an admin for the time being). This provides a consistent amount of effort and involvement from staff, and creates an environment where changes take place and continue to, because they must.

[noname219]

FYI gold stinger, I've sent PMs concerning communication within the usergroup and a few decisions that needs to be taken.

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

I'd gladly go back to writing weekly or bi weekly what's happening posts if the teams would be willing to speak with me on that (bi) weekly basis so that I can actually make good posts about what's going on.

That would be really nice (I kinda miss those fpp). Should I contact you by PM or Skype and what would be the best date (sunday?) to send you a message for that ? edit : I should ask, who's interested to do this apart from me ?

[Rapta]

It might be a good idea for someone to reread this thread and make a list of things and then narrow the list down to the most important things. I would but i'm working on my essay due in 3 hours so I don't have time to do anything else than spitball atm

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Trumpet63

If you need someone to just annoy every group on a regular basis, I'd be happy to volunteer.

It's not about just annoying the groups, someone needs to be able to take charge and be able to get rid of/add people when needed, make sure the groups are doing their job, etc.

Plus I offered a ton of times too and never got anywhere

[Rapta]

I don't think I saw this mentioned anywhere, but I think ultimatums should be cast upon people who don't get their shit done BEFORE just demoting them. Maybe that could motivate the current staff.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by noname219

FYI gold stinger, I've sent PMs concerning communication within the usergroup and a few decisions that needs to be taken.



That would be really nice (I kinda miss those fpp). Should I contact you by PM or Skype and what would be the best date (sunday?) to send you a message for that ? edit : I should ask, who's interested to do this apart from me ?

I prefer skype so I can ask questions if needed and I'm usually on skype all the time, as per a day I guess we'll have to figure that out based on the groups and how they're working things. Or really whenever people can get to me with updates.

[Frank Munoz]

Originally Posted by Rapta

It might be a good idea for someone to reread this thread and make a list of things and then narrow the list down to the most important things. I would but i'm working on my essay due in 3 hours so I don't have time to do anything else than spitball atm

i'm trying to do that, but im still lost on somethings cause i dont truly know the whole situation other than really really bad communication and organization due to segregation between most of the staff.
1. poor communication
2. slow/no batch judging
3. inactive staff members
4. replays cannot be deleted
5. bots
6. hacked/bug exploited scores
is all i got

[edit]Priorities taken from rapta:
1. Staff communication
2. Restructure/Reorganize current staff structure
3. Address inactivity within staff
4. anything else

edit: I like doss' posts cause theyre very informative such as the "todolist" post. it is enlightening to what needs to be done and id like to see more of that.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by justin_ator

Getting movement isn't the problem, keeping the momentum going is - I think that's what you're referring to but wanted to mention that.

You're right, thanks for clarifying.

[Mister_Raccoon]

Now, I took a hiatus for 5 or so years so take my opinion with a grain of salt:
But would it be safe to say that if we had bigger community it would inspire shit to get done? Or is the community on it's last legs because nothing was getting done?

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by Rapta

I don't think I saw this mentioned anywhere, but I think ultimatums should be cast upon people who don't get their shit done BEFORE just demoting them. Maybe that could motivate the current staff.

Well yeah, I guess I should have really thought out my post a bit better. I wouldn't just remove someone who may have had something come up or something. Comes around to communication again though. In most situations people get warning before being removed from something I think.

[Rapta]

Originally Posted by Frank Munoz

i'm trying to do that, but im still lost on somethings cause i dont truly know the whole situation other than really really bad communication and organization due to segregation between most of the staff.
1. poor communication
2. slow/no batch judging
3. inactive staff members
4. replays cannot be deleted
5. bots
6. hacked/bug exploited scores
is all i got

i'm trying to do that, but im still lost on somethings cause i dont truly know the whole situation

That's why you're posting it in the thread so people can suggest what to add/change and help you with that.

Also, management and activeness should be the first priorities, right

Edit: What Zenith said sounds better.