TWG CLX If Emblem was a bad employee Game Thread

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

historically i beg to differ. weaker players and wolves are more likely to jump onto a push made by a stronger player.

i'm not talking about history at the moment'

i'm saying literally when you chimed in emotionally about newer players getting lynched and w/e, was there any danger of there being a bandwagon forming on andy
was there any indication that anyone else was agreeing with me
was there any reason to "OH NO ANDY IS GOING TO GET LYNCHED I NEED TO JUMP IN AND SAVE HIM"

the difference between "out of 20" is that you still need a majority of all the players, even those who haven't even posted or done anything for a lynch. Establishing a good baseline reads level for a new player is stupid important because quite a lot of at least FFR twg revolves around player meta, even though it's not the end-all-be-all.

[danceflashrevo]

Originally Posted by YoshL

i'm saying literally when you chimed in emotionally about newer players getting lynched and w/e, was there any danger of there being a bandwagon forming on andy
was there any indication that anyone else was agreeing with me
was there any reason to "OH NO ANDY IS GOING TO GET LYNCHED I NEED TO JUMP IN AND SAVE HIM"

Yes and no. Yes because traction could have easily accrued, which is why I said the historically mark. And no because there wasn't immediate danger. However, I simply just didn't agree with your push. If I had the intention of saving him, I wouldn't have waited for you and him to finish. I would've jumped straight in and been like "HOLD UP HOLD UP HOLD UP" but I didn't. Likewise I don't think people would let me save people. I'd probably get brushed off as the resident dumbass as I feel happens a bit already. No one was a agreeing with you but I disagreed with you and I felt like I should note that I did at the time and back it up with reasoning.

Establishing a good baseline reads level for a new player is stupid important because quite a lot of at least FFR twg revolves around player meta, even though it's not the end-all-be-all.

I understand what you're saying here, but I feel like you're trying to establish a meta for him. Let him develop his own meta and play the way that he learns how to play. Probing a newer player, sure. Asking his or her input, sure. Putting them in an uncomfortable situation intentionally to where a lot of people regardless of alignment crumble, bad, because it happens a lot regardless of alignment.

[Vendetta21]

Originally Posted by danceflashrevo

Yes and no. Yes because traction could have easily accrued, which is why I said the historically mark. And no because there wasn't immediate danger. However, I simply just didn't agree with your push. If I had the intention of saving him, I wouldn't have waited for you and him to finish. I would've jumped straight in and been like "HOLD UP HOLD UP HOLD UP" but I didn't. Likewise I don't think people would let me save people. I'd probably get brushed off as the resident dumbass as I feel happens a bit already. No one was a agreeing with you but I disagreed with you and I felt like I should note that I did at the time and back it up with reasoning.



I understand what you're saying here, but I feel like you're trying to establish a meta for him. Let him develop his own meta and play the way that he learns how to play. Probing a newer player, sure. Asking his or her input, sure. Putting them in an uncomfortable situation intentionally to where a lot of people regardless of alignment crumble, bad, because it happens a lot regardless of alignment.

this is a lot of articulation in self-defense and describing counterfactual narratives of his own thought process. the weird thing here is it is in defense of someone attempting to push. oddly protectionist given the barren waste of motivation and intent that had been drawling out up until this point. scum lean.

to clarifying, the "describing counterfactuals narratives of his own thought process" means "i could have done this, or i could have done this, but i did this" sort of thinking. a counterfactual is not a falsehood but another potential that didn't happen, "what if the nazis had won WWII?"

the reason counterfactual thinking about oneself is weird here is that it signals he is processing his own behavior in terms of how it could be perceived by others as a primary line of thinking. it's the first thing he responds with. he doesn't even respond with his thoughts on andy, in fact he is very andy-null in this post. sticking his neck out for someone his ostensibly has nothing to say about yet, and also detracting from the overall conversation of intent.

maybe this is a lack of experience with the tried-and-true TWG tactic of pushing shit towards new people because they haven't got a feel for their poker-face posting yet and will wear their emotions on their sleeves, but it comes off feeling a little ersatz and peculiar on first skim

[MixMasterLar]

On phone, still need to read last 2 pages. Lets get some thoughts out.

Originally Posted by andy-o24

Literally my first game ever. Never mafia'd in person, never TWG'd in a thread. I skimmed through a turbo thread on here, and watched a little of The Town (the BTS DotA 2 circle jerk mafia thing), but that's it.


Isn't it generally a wolf strategy to lay low and try to cause chaos by questioning every read anyone makes? And if AA and tokzic are both wolves (I don't think tokzic is at this point, btw) wouldn't it be good for AA to dispel any suspicions early on to protect his furry brethren? It feels like a weird post from AA. He could have jumped in on the shit posts, but immediately picked that out.

-o24

See I know everyone gives shit to Andy for this but I'm 100% no wolf partner he could possibly have would tell him to take that stance.

Even by himself, I dont know if Wolf Andy would be the one to try and rock the boat.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

My first game related post: I like YoshL being inquisitive here and the intention is very pure.

I don't know if I agree.

Originally Posted by YoshL

dfr

cya later

This vote has no reason to exist.

Originally Posted by YoshL

dfr feels super awkward right now, and i'm kinda surprised that he's not familiar with the standard yoshl fare, grill the new guy so it's easier to read them

especially doing something like asking "ok is this interaction over?" feels like he's overly cognizant of his position in this game, which feels much more scummy than not

He's taken that stance as town before.

And I guess I'm not familiar with standard YoshL fare then cause you aggressive as fuck right now.

Originally Posted by YoshL

also i have to disagree with you freezinice.

in a mystery game where there are people who are on the lookout for specific names of roles (guessing from the setup), wolves and other factions have quite a lot to gain most likely from being able to choreograph your moves - also speaking from experience, i think that wolves do set up things like that, and especially with a newer player, it becomes easier since their meta is wholly unknown. i.e. andy seems like the player to make just unemotional and flat statements for the most part (at least, as best as i can describe what i'm seeing from him)


this doesn't sound like dfr

Wait

People having abilities based on their character? Ok maybe. Like as far as I can tell that's not really the case but NEEDING TO KNOW SOMEONE ELSES? That's hella specific yo

How about you explain why you came to that conclusion YoshL

Originally Posted by Charu

Also, I would emotion read dfr right here, but this game, gonna try not to do that.

I mean

I aint clearing anyone d0 but
I'm ok emotionally reading him town.

Originally Posted by YoshL

that furthers my point. I'm saying there was little to no real pressure or danger of being lynched, or even any semblance of a bandwagon forming

which makes your current emotional outburst pretty big

It happened just this turbo. And he always takes that stance anyway.
There is nothing to see with DFR atm

Originally Posted by YoshL

i'm not talking about history at the moment'

i'm saying literally when you chimed in emotionally about newer players getting lynched and w/e, was there any danger of there being a bandwagon forming on andy
was there any indication that anyone else was agreeing with me
was there any reason to "OH NO ANDY IS GOING TO GET LYNCHED I NEED TO JUMP IN AND SAVE HIM"

the difference between "out of 20" is that you still need a majority of all the players, even those who haven't even posted or done anything for a lynch. Establishing a good baseline reads level for a new player is stupid important because quite a lot of at least FFR twg revolves around player meta, even though it's not the end-all-be-all.

Don't handwave the history point its valid. You're trying awfully hard here.



Gonna eat KFC and casually read thread. YoshL please get back at me