The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! - Page 9

**itmorr** · 07-10-2008, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 8 Hour Whore

Dom you should Break down the link to find out what it does..
Honestly, thats how I've avoided all the Encounters.. Like with Izzy lol

The link is a copy of the gambling submission form, and it autosubmits a gamble if I tell it to. Also, I can specify how many credits to wager by default. To be safe, I turned off the automatic submission until bugs gets fixed.

I'm not allowed to post the link on here because it contains token links.

**Sprite-** · 07-10-2008, 05:22 AM

Oh yeah, that's right. I'm pretty sure that the staff doesn't like you already for having a site that has the locations of all the tokens. Good job - this isn't going to help.

**itmorr** · 07-10-2008, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprite-

Oh yeah, that's right. I'm pretty sure that the staff doesn't like you already for having a site that has the locations of all the tokens. Good job - this isn't going to help.

I was told that linking to the tokens externally is not against any rules. This is essentially bashing my post..

**Sprite-** · 07-10-2008, 05:32 AM

Not against the rules because they can't stop you. Doesn't mean that they like it.

**TheRapingDragon** · 07-10-2008, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Sprite-

Not against the rules because they can't stop you. But I'm sure they don't like you.

How exactly is all this relevant to the thread? I can understand you're annoyed but there's no need to turn this thread into "let's flame itmorr".

You lost credits, it'll get sorted out. Stop continuing to attack.

**akaFrOsTinG** · 07-10-2008, 05:38 AM

89 credits -> 25k
i'm keeping these!!!!
can't believe i had 190k... and dropped to 89

**Sprite-** · 07-10-2008, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by TheRapingDragon

How exactly is all this relevant to the thread? I can understand you're annoyed but there's no need to turn this thread into "let's flame itmorr".

You lost credits, it'll get sorted out. Stop continuing to attack.

You're right. I'm done.

Xx{Midday}xX · 07-10-2008, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Raveren

Read the title. People have every right to whine. Which I find entertaining, I like hearing how people go from insane credit count to nothing.

Didn't see this til now.

I'm not saying whining was a bad thing. I just ended my own whining period. People can whine all they want.

heyitsmee · 07-10-2008, 05:53 AM

i made this earlier there is a sum of about 8.5 mil on the positive side top 10
and only about 3.5 mil sum on the negative top 10

so there are 5 mil negative missing if you stretch out that sum on a logical curve i would think i would look like this showing there are much more losers

the front page post clearly says there is a 50/50 chance on each single bet thats true but as a whole game if your trying to go for the a top positive spot its not a 50/50 game

so you regular guys with 150k-200k don't dream about getting a million it can happen but you will have to win many bets in a row and generally have awesome luck much more luck then 50/50

**TheRapingDragon** · 07-10-2008, 06:22 AM

It's gambling. There are always going to be more losers than winners.

heyitsmee · 07-10-2008, 06:27 AM

looked at it now its even more extreme that past one was from yesterday when it was subscribers only

Raveren · 07-10-2008, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by heyitsmee

i made this earlier there is a sum of about 8.5 mil on the positive side top 10
and only about 3.5 mil sum on the negative top 10

so there are 5 mil negative missing if you stretch out that sum on a logical curve i would think i would look like this showing there are much more losers

the front page post clearly says there is a 50/50 chance on each single bet thats true but as a whole game if your trying to go for the a top positive spot its not a 50/50 game

so you regular guys with 150k-200k don't dream about getting a million it can happen but you will have to win many bets in a row and generally have awesome luck much more luck then 50/50

Nice catch, but there's a catch.

What you are looking at is only the top ten, not the general consensus. If I had 200k, and lost it down to nothing, I couldn't continue playing. Not only because of the lack of credits, but my will to play is now gone.

Now let's take that hypotheticality the other way, say I had 200k and I won. What would most do? They would continue to try to win.

What you see on the positive top ten side are people who have been extremely lucky with large bets.

What you see on the negative side are people who had EARNED a lot of credits, then lost them. Thus capping how much total negative they could achieve by the amount they previously had.

Not just this, but there are countless others who are not on the list who have lost an amount of credits, but not enough to end up on the top ten. And not many people have the willpower to win some and they just quit.

I believe Tass said this earlier, what we'll end up with is a few rich people, and a lot of poor.

heyitsmee · 07-10-2008, 06:40 AM

tass said it because he is seeing he stats live (the full list) he doesn't need to speculate
i asked if he could copy the info but him and LD ignore this request i guess they dont want people to see this fact right on the start

"I believe Tass said this earlier, what we'll end up with is a few rich people, and a lot of poor" tass said it before but iam not sure if he know about this going to happen because when this just started there was this guy is the subscribers that had a big credits lead gap and tass found that strange

also before he said that i already spammed enough the subscriber forum with my "highlander theory" how there could be only 1 in this game

Raveren · 07-10-2008, 06:55 AM

It's not a fact because Tass said it, it's a fact period.

A lot of people lose money, and very few people win a lot. What you see on the positive side are people who have won a lot, the very lucky few. That's all that is, luck.

The reason the negative side isn't higher is because you have to have EARNED the credits beforehand. Argo and Izzy already had that insane amount of credits, but they lost it all.

This is hard to explain...

Say I started at 500k credits, I kept playing until I had 2 million credits, thus giving me a +1,500,000 positive bonus.

Different situation, I have 500k, But I lose all 500k, brings me to a 500k deficit.

Another situation, I have 500k, I lose 200k, but then I win back 200k. I have no positive or negative change.

See what I mean by you can only have a negative count based on what you have? There are a lot of people who have experienced the second situation, but only a few who have experienced the first. The people of the first situation have won their credits from the people in the second.

heyitsmee · 07-10-2008, 07:08 AM

yea i know what you mean you can only lose as much as your initial amount when entering the game or if someone transfers you credits you can lose some more

Raveren · 07-10-2008, 07:16 AM

Ok, then. You see a huge difference in the amount lost because the people on the positive side have no limit to the amount they can win, they can make the amount they can win larger. On the negative side, they cannot beacuase they can only lose that much. This is why you see a five million difference between the two statistics. If we were to look at the gambling records page, we will see a lot of people who have lost between 0-250k, which accounts for all the extra credits on the positive side, and still not appear on the top ten.

Each game is a new chance. Though unlikely, it IS possible to win fifty games in a row, through extreme luck. With hundreds, maybe thousands of people gambling, someone is bound to get lucky like that.

heyitsmee · 07-10-2008, 07:30 AM

i didnt say we should see guys in the top 10 negative with a 3 mil lose..
in fact i said the opposite that many small raguler -150k -200k will show.

Raveren · 07-10-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by heyitsmee

i didnt say we should see guys in the top 10 negative with a 3 mil lose..
in fact i said the opposite that many small raguler -150k -200k will show.

Alright, I think we have each others point confused.

What exactly is it you're trying to prove?

xmorningashesx · 07-10-2008, 07:35 AM

Yeah. Right.
I really love gambling.

Worst Win Ratios
1 xmorningashesx 23.08%

heyitsmee · 07-10-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Raveren

Alright, I think we have each others point confused.

What exactly is it you're trying to prove?

that point in my first post with the picture...

point - much more losers thats all.

aww btw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khfEhlD6S8I

:P

07-10-2008, 05:22 AM	#162
Sprite- HAVE ME WITH VODKA Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Long Island, New York Age: 35 Posts: 7,316	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! Oh yeah, that's right. I'm pretty sure that the staff doesn't like you already for having a site that has the locations of all the tokens. Good job - this isn't going to help.

07-10-2008, 05:32 AM	#164
Sprite- HAVE ME WITH VODKA Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Long Island, New York Age: 35 Posts: 7,316	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! Not against the rules because they can't stop you. Doesn't mean that they like it. Last edited by Sprite-; 07-10-2008 at 05:45 AM..

07-10-2008, 05:38 AM	#166
akaFrOsTinG FFR Veteran Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 81	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! 89 credits -> 25k i'm keeping these!!!! can't believe i had 190k... and dropped to 89

07-10-2008, 06:22 AM	#170
TheRapingDragon A car crash mind Join Date: Aug 2005 Age: 36 Posts: 9,788	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! It's gambling. There are always going to be more losers than winners.

07-10-2008, 06:40 AM	#173
heyitsmee FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 2,042	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! tass said it because he is seeing he stats live (the full list) he doesn't need to speculate i asked if he could copy the info but him and LD ignore this request i guess they dont want people to see this fact right on the start "I believe Tass said this earlier, what we'll end up with is a few rich people, and a lot of poor" tass said it before but iam not sure if he know about this going to happen because when this just started there was this guy is the subscribers that had a big credits lead gap and tass found that strange also before he said that i already spammed enough the subscriber forum with my "highlander theory" how there could be only 1 in this game __________________ Last edited by heyitsmee; 07-10-2008 at 06:44 AM..

07-10-2008, 06:55 AM	#174
Raveren FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Age: 33 Posts: 785	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! It's not a fact because Tass said it, it's a fact period. A lot of people lose money, and very few people win a lot. What you see on the positive side are people who have won a lot, the very lucky few. That's all that is, luck. The reason the negative side isn't higher is because you have to have EARNED the credits beforehand. Argo and Izzy already had that insane amount of credits, but they lost it all. This is hard to explain... Say I started at 500k credits, I kept playing until I had 2 million credits, thus giving me a +1,500,000 positive bonus. Different situation, I have 500k, But I lose all 500k, brings me to a 500k deficit. Another situation, I have 500k, I lose 200k, but then I win back 200k. I have no positive or negative change. See what I mean by you can only have a negative count based on what you have? There are a lot of people who have experienced the second situation, but only a few who have experienced the first. The people of the first situation have won their credits from the people in the second. __________________ “A painter paints his pictures on canvas. But musicians paint their pictures on silence. We provide the music, and you provide the silence.” -Leopold Stokowski Last edited by Raveren; 07-10-2008 at 06:58 AM..

07-10-2008, 07:08 AM	#175
heyitsmee FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 2,042	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! yea i know what you mean you can only lose as much as your initial amount when entering the game or if someone transfers you credits you can lose some more __________________

07-10-2008, 07:16 AM	#176
Raveren FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Corpus Christi, TX Age: 33 Posts: 785	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! Ok, then. You see a huge difference in the amount lost because the people on the positive side have no limit to the amount they can win, they can make the amount they can win larger. On the negative side, they cannot beacuase they can only lose that much. This is why you see a five million difference between the two statistics. If we were to look at the gambling records page, we will see a lot of people who have lost between 0-250k, which accounts for all the extra credits on the positive side, and still not appear on the top ten. Each game is a new chance. Though unlikely, it IS possible to win fifty games in a row, through extreme luck. With hundreds, maybe thousands of people gambling, someone is bound to get lucky like that. __________________ “A painter paints his pictures on canvas. But musicians paint their pictures on silence. We provide the music, and you provide the silence.” -Leopold Stokowski Last edited by Raveren; 07-10-2008 at 07:19 AM..

07-10-2008, 07:30 AM	#177
heyitsmee FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Israel Posts: 2,042	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! i didnt say we should see guys in the top 10 negative with a 3 mil lose.. in fact i said the opposite that many small raguler -150k -200k will show. __________________

07-10-2008, 07:35 AM	#179
xmorningashesx FFR Player Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1	Re: The FFR Credit Gambling Thread - Whine & Gloat HERE! Yeah. Right. I really love gambling. Worst Win Ratios 1 xmorningashesx 23.08%

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