TWG 200 Game Thread: Dichotomy

[fatfuck42]

storn

[T-Force]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

fatfuck heavy town lean imo, you would have to be a wolf with a copious amount of free time to force yourself to put in that much work

See: Roundbox in Animal Crossing. It's doable.
Also, plop in the AC game was a lot more reactionary versus that (and that's why I wolf-read him then and was VERY wrong).

One last thing, I don't know why pointing out all those votes like that is seen as alignment indicative?
It's information, but what does Plop add to it? Nothing. No new thoughts or anything.

Idk, it seems like an easy town lean for something that shouldn't be.

[bugkid666]

also sorry I just remembered twgma stated in OOTC that he'd be busy tonight having dinner with a friend (I don't know if that means he'll miss eod) so I'll give him a pass for not being here this once

but uhhhhh this many ppl missing eod? on a monday? I don't know about that somethin smells fishy

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

also sorry I just remembered twgma stated in OOTC that he'd be busy tonight having dinner with a friend (I don't know if that means he'll miss eod) so I'll give him a pass for not being here this once

but uhhhhh this many ppl missing eod? on a monday? I don't know about that somethin smells fishy

there's still like hella time though. i'd imagine it'll get crazier in a bit

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

there's still like hella time though. i'd imagine it'll get crazier in a bit

I meant the fact that at least 3 people explicitly stated they'd be missing eod

[Shadow_God_10]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

I meant the fact that at least 3 people explicitly stated they'd be missing eod

That's 3 of what? 23?

One of your lynch targets is one of those...

So I imagine you'll be picking between Storn/Xiz today by your own words here?

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10

That's 3 of what? 23?

One of your lynch targets is one of those...

So I imagine you'll be picking between Storn/Xiz today by your own words here?

unless twgma comes in here and says something insane, yeah

[Funnygurl555]

Originally Posted by Shadow_God_10

I THINK I might remember that.

Was I in that one?

oh idk lmao man i aint finna find the game ;o;

Originally Posted by bugkid666

I meant the fact that at least 3 people explicitly stated they'd be missing eod

oh yeah. lol

(btw choof i hope u have fun with ur uncle)

[benguino]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I extend a word of caution to everyone trying to metagame this mystery setup
I can believe Xiz when he says he's willing to take one for the team for science, but it rubs me the wrong way in spirit (mostly because of IRL time commitment capabilities). I don't like it when there's a prescribed "this is how we have to progress with this setup" plan because WE ARE STILL MISSING SO MUCH INFORMATION

I think playing it by the book will grant us more results than sciencing the setup. If anything, sunfan is sitting at his computer cracking a grin at some of our theories (reminds me of watching people scramble for the hidden immunity idol in Survivor: Newfoundland) because we're close, but not quite fully correct. The gap in information can lead to bad actors who have more information to steer the "science" in a direction that is opportune for them. Granted our setup is massive, this information gap steering could be more likely than you think given how many anti-town realistically exist.

I somewhat agree with some of these points but we seem to be arriving at different conclusions. You're right that there is a huge lack of information in this game but my takeaway from that is that we should do what we can to gather information; this is why I was pushing so hard on having an insta happen in the 2nd game (which unfortunately told us nothing, but I still think it was a good idea and I don't believe there was much of anything lost as a result of the insta).

I'm worried that people will interpret this post to mean that we should all entirely ignore the 2nd game and pretend it doesn't exist. It seems that some people are already in this mindset and it feels incredibly shortsighted. Voting off a wolf in this game doesn't even have the same consequence as usual, so trying to play this game 100% like a "normal" game and hoping it'll work out is wishful thinking imho.

Trying to figure out who is or isn't scum is still just as important, but even this aspect of the game requires insight into the overall game structure. One can't fully understand people's motivations/actions/intent/etc if one isn't willing to engage with the full game.

Originally Posted by bugkid666

this reads very town to me, but I don't think I ever had much doubt about mcdaddio tbh. I will say, am I the only one who doesn't give a shit about neighborhood relations? I'm sure other people feel this way too but just aren't vocalizing it... I barely know what y'all are saying about blind and charu and I don't know what their chatlog consists of but do we really think that's the reason blind got night killed? I personally don't think so

If something goes down in a neighborhood chat, I think it's worth at least keeping it in the back of your mind.

As for the neighborhoods in general, I would put them as low priority compared to everything else in the game. To me, the neighborhoods are essentially "a chatroom with someone who may or may not be wolf" and I don't think they'll serve much use, at least not in this stage of the game.

Originally Posted by fatfuck42

So, I know these "charts" aren't particularly accurate since the time isn't a constant, but it still gives a good idea as to how and when each wagon formed or dissolved.

I don't see any real issues with Ben's wagon. I believe raeko's explanation for why she joined the wagon, and I believe freezin too since he took the same issues with ben's posts that I did. You could potentially say that choof and kappa's votes could be wolves parking a vote, but I'm still townreading choof hard and kappa's progression seems organic.

Logman's wagon is harder to parse. It develops naturally enough, but kappa's the only one who unvotes. Everyone else goes to logman and stays there. If logman/star are town then it'd be a great wagon for a lowkey wolf to join. Logman was inactive, so there's not much justification needed to vote for them. On the other hand, if logman/star are a wolf then the people on this wagon look pretty good. I don't know what each person's history of bussing wolf partners is like, but each of them were in the thread right up til the end and could've switched off of logman if needed.

Haku's wagon doesn't look so hot. There's gotta be wolves in there IMO. As for the motivation, if you look at the votecounts in the minutes prior, it seems as though it was to save either ben or logman.

This is all really helpful, thank you.

[T-Force]

Originally Posted by bugkid666

also sorry I just remembered twgma stated in OOTC that he'd be busy tonight having dinner with a friend (I don't know if that means he'll miss eod) so I'll give him a pass for not being here this once

but uhhhhh this many ppl missing eod? on a monday? I don't know about that somethin smells fishy

PS. Hi, I'm back. Lunch was fantastic. It's so nice being able to actually do things with friends because COVID SHOTS BAYBEE.

[Shadow_God_10]

Let me ISO myself really quick here (seeing as i'm the only one who wants to go through all 200+ of my posts)

I don't think I had any issues with Xiz other than that terrible idea of him wanting to die

[Funnygurl555]

i'm wrong dbp can be scum here still. i mean his points make sense but without a flip i still don't know

this thought indeed warranted an entire post

[bugkid666]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i'm wrong dbp can be scum here still. i mean his points make sense but without a flip i still don't know

this thought indeed warranted an entire post

my personal thought on backpack rn is that he's been most helpful in terms of figuring out game mechanic-related things and was def right in stating that although he spent so much time on it, hyper-fixating on that is wolfy behavior as it distracts from playing the game (or something like that)

tldr; i agree with you. i mentioned to mcdaddio in a PM that although backpack has been extremely insightful and i think a lot of his conclusions are correct, that is 100% not indicative of his alignment whatsoever

[the sun fan]

Votecount:
raeko (1)- kappa
xiz (3)- choof, freezin, Haku
cedolad (2)- Xel, shadow_god
force (1)- fg
celery (2)- roundbox, DBP
storn (2)- bugkid, plop
unvote- Xiz

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Votecount:
raeko (1)- kappa
xiz (3)- choof, freezin, Haku
cedolad (2)- Xel, shadow_god
force (1)- fg
celery (2)- roundbox, DBP
storn (2)- bugkid, plop
unvote- Xiz

I do not have a Cedo vote.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by XelNya

I do not have a Cedo vote.

I'll try out celery's name out in future votecounts

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I'll try out celery's name out in future votecounts

hahahahahahaha

[Shadow_God_10]

I just finished ISOing myself there and I didn't see myself liking/hating anything Xiz did tbh

I wouldn't be sad if we lynched him but I wouldn't be happy either

[Hakulyte]

We might have to consolidate wagon and decide either xiz or storn rather than splitting votes.

[Shadow_God_10]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

We might have to consolidate wagon and decide either xiz or storn rather than splitting votes.

Fuck it I'm choosing violence today

Storn

I ain't scared or worried anymore. I'm annoyed that you're coasting right now