Ingame Song Information - Page 76

**x After Dawn x** · 10-16-2008, 10:31 PM

Well if it's like The Adventures of Lolo, probably not...though that is both longer and more difficult than Lolo.

stavie33 · 10-16-2008, 10:32 PM

3 minutes, consistent 12 jump stream 400BPM, that's like twice Lolo's speed for 6 times the length

**L0NEvvolf** · 10-16-2008, 10:52 PM

Rose should be Very challenging.

**Breakdown16** · 10-17-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by L0NEvvolf

Rose should be Very challenging.

Not if Over the Frail Dream is 200 BPM stream and is only a challenging. Over the Frail Dream should be moved up, in my opinion. {Rose} is fine where it is.

And I'm sure the listed BPM of Piano Etude (Gymnastics) is incorrect, as there are numerous BPM changes in that song.

stavie33 · 10-17-2008, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breakdown16

Not if Over the Frail Dream is 200 BPM stream and is only a challenging. Over the Frail Dream should be moved up, in my opinion. {Rose} is fine where it is.

And I'm sure the listed BPM of Piano Etude (Gymnastics) is incorrect, as there are numerous BPM changes in that song.

agreed, I talked about this earlier, Over the Frail Dream is MUCH harder than Dot Death and Carrousel Paradise. The speed and length of the stream should alone move it up to a low VC, screw the patterns, it's still hard to keep up the speed for a AAA (for most people at least, not me though)

Xx{Midday}xX · 10-17-2008, 10:19 AM

VB is not an FMO. Over the Frail Dream is not a VC.

There are many easier FMOs than VB, but VB stays a VC. Same goes for OtFD. The situations are basically analagous.

OtFD is borderline. There are always borderline songs in any level, and can be eternally disputed on opinion.

I believe OtFD is C. I believe VB is FMO. Difficulty cannot be changed so constantly due to a tide of opinion. OtFD became C at the beginning after some dispute, and will stay a C. VB, with even more dispute, stayed VC and will stay a VC.

Many people reason that OtFD would've been VC with avmiss. Without, it's a C. That's the logic.

**robertsona** · 10-17-2008, 02:13 PM

Lol IMO OTFD is definitely VC
it's so fast...

**Breakdown16** · 10-17-2008, 07:14 PM

Another thing I've been wondering, why is Kil Stage one of the harder VCs? I've AAA'd it and can consistently get good PA on it; I find songs like HELLBEAT and Vertex BETA much more difficult.

**Patashu** · 10-17-2008, 07:23 PM

Hellbeat is ok once you know the three tricks; the two trills end early and the random left minijack
Vertex beta is straightforward, no tricks

**Breakdown16** · 10-17-2008, 07:34 PM

Well, the one-handed trills in HELLBEAT and Vertex BETA are harder than the one down-right trill in Kil Stage. The odd patterns in HELLBEAT also screw me over. Not too much speed is required to AAA Kil Stage either.

**jimerax** · 10-17-2008, 08:00 PM

Kil Stage is high-VC mainly because of PA difficulty, and maybe jumpstreams.

**L0NEvvolf** · 10-17-2008, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breakdown16

Not if Over the Frail Dream is 200 BPM stream and is only a challenging. Over the Frail Dream should be moved up, in my opinion. {Rose} is fine where it is.

And I'm sure the listed BPM of Piano Etude (Gymnastics) is incorrect, as there are numerous BPM changes in that song.

Over the frail dreams stream is much easier, best score on that is 1 good, best on rose is 15 good and 1 boo, most people AAA VCings and alot of them before AAAing rose.

stavie33 · 10-17-2008, 09:53 PM

Okay, difference:

Xeno-flow < Kil Stage in terms of both PA and difficulty

Kil Stage is hard for multiple reasons, and yes, it requires quite some speed, mainly my problem with fixing my BF is always the 24th trill, that requires speed, and so doe the various 24th-48th rolls, which some have weird patterns that aren't consistent. Top that off with a jumpstream that has 48th bursts consistently thrown in and you've got yourself a high VC, for me Hellbeat was an easier AAA, but ya know, it's different for everyone

stavie33 · 10-17-2008, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L0NEvvolf

Over the frail dreams stream is much easier, best score on that is 1 good, best on rose is 15 good and 1 boo, most people AAA VCings and alot of them before AAAing rose.

Rose is C, but patterns make it hard for most to PA

**foilman8805** · 10-19-2008, 12:35 AM

Lapis is definitely a VC. That jumpstream is way to hard for a 9.

Also, what's the reasoning for the C rating on Over the Frail Dream? That stream is like 200 BPM...

Xx{Midday}xX · 10-19-2008, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xx{Midday}xX

VB is not an FMO. Over the Frail Dream is not a VC.

There are many easier FMOs than VB, but VB stays a VC. Same goes for OtFD. The situations are basically analagous.

OtFD is borderline. There are always borderline songs in any level, and can be eternally disputed on opinion.

I believe OtFD is C. I believe VB is FMO. Difficulty cannot be changed so constantly due to a tide of opinion. OtFD became C at the beginning after some dispute, and will stay a C. VB, with even more dispute, stayed VC and will stay a VC.

Many people reason that OtFD would've been VC with avmiss. Without, it's a C. That's the logic.

Respond to this, so it seems like you read before you posted instead of copy/pasting.

**foilman8805** · 10-19-2008, 12:48 AM

VB and Monstrous Turtles! are both VCs featuring 200+ BPM streams. Just thought it would be logical to include OtFD in that category too. But perhaps they are only VC for length? I dunno.

Does anyone have any thoughts about Lapis? Breakdown, I know you said you were gonna go buy it and play it earlier. What did you think?

Xx{Midday}xX · 10-19-2008, 12:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by foilman8805

VB and Monstrous Turtles! are both VCs featuring 200+ BPM streams. Just thought it would be logical to include OtFD in that category too. But perhaps they are only VC for length? I dunno.

Does anyone have any thoughts about Lapis? Breakdown, I know you said you were gonna go buy it and play it earlier. What did you think?

Monstrous Turtles is a VC because of its stream pattern (which I completely disagree with. I believe Monstrous Turtles should be a C) more than its length. The streams aren't long at all.

Even if VB was shorter, it would still be, or better stay a VC. The length should make it an FMO imo. VB isn't going to change anyway.

As for Lapis, I don't really recall it that well... but based on the fact that I AAA'd it easily in my current state, I doubt it is a VC... (I know, terrible way to judge difficulty... but I can't play it right now.)

**Patashu** · 10-19-2008, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stavie33

Rose is C, but patterns make it hard for most to PA

BTW, I'm curious. Why does everyone seem to have problems with the patterns in Rose? The stream felt really nice and awesome for me. Something about it.

Xx{Midday}xX · 10-19-2008, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Patashu

BTW, I'm curious. Why does everyone seem to have problems with the patterns in Rose? The stream felt really nice and awesome for me. Something about it.

I agree. {Rose} was one of the early files that had PR, if I remember correctly. The smooth patterns on my fingers left me quite an impression when I first AAA'd it.

10-16-2008, 10:32 PM	#1502
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 3 minutes, consistent 12 jump stream 400BPM, that's like twice Lolo's speed for 6 times the length __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

10-16-2008, 10:52 PM	#1503
L0NEvvolf FFR Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Age: 33 Posts: 2,068	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Rose should be Very challenging.

10-17-2008, 10:19 AM	#1506
Xx{Midday}xX FFR Player Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: My own world. Miserable. Disgusting. Appalling. Pessimistic. Horrific. Terrible. Posts: 3,518	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 VB is not an FMO. Over the Frail Dream is not a VC. There are many easier FMOs than VB, but VB stays a VC. Same goes for OtFD. The situations are basically analagous. OtFD is borderline. There are always borderline songs in any level, and can be eternally disputed on opinion. I believe OtFD is C. I believe VB is FMO. Difficulty cannot be changed so constantly due to a tide of opinion. OtFD became C at the beginning after some dispute, and will stay a C. VB, with even more dispute, stayed VC and will stay a VC. Many people reason that OtFD would've been VC with avmiss. Without, it's a C. That's the logic. __________________ Any *FFR song title* discrepancies? List them here. Willing to accurately translate Japanese for free *Accumulating all playstyles here!* つまんないシグでスマソ(´・ω・`) Last edited by Xx{Midday}xX; 10-17-2008 at 10:24 AM..

10-17-2008, 02:13 PM	#1507
robertsona missa in h-moll Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: nyc Age: 28 Posts: 3,995	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Lol IMO OTFD is definitely VC it's so fast... __________________

10-17-2008, 07:14 PM	#1508
Breakdown16 FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,938	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Another thing I've been wondering, why is Kil Stage one of the harder VCs? I've AAA'd it and can consistently get good PA on it; I find songs like HELLBEAT and Vertex BETA much more difficult. __________________ Made by arrekusuof93 at Ye Olde Photoshop Shoppe Who remembers this thread? Brings back great memories XD

10-17-2008, 07:23 PM	#1509
Patashu FFR Simfile Author Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: we traced the call...it's coming from inside the house Age: 33 Posts: 8,609	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Hellbeat is ok once you know the three tricks; the two trills end early and the random left minijack Vertex beta is straightforward, no tricks __________________ Patashu makes Chiptunes in Famitracker: http://soundcloud.com/patashu/8bit-progressive-metal-fading-world http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v216/Mechadragon/smallpackbanner.png Best non-AAAs: ERx8 v2 (14-1-0-4), Hajnal (3-0-0-0), RunnyMorning (8-0-0-4), Xeno-Flow (1-0-0-3), Blue Rose (35-2-0-20), Ketsarku (14-0-0-0), Silence (1-0-0-0), Lolo (14-1-0-1) http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee301/xiaoven/solorulzsig.png

10-17-2008, 07:34 PM	#1510
Breakdown16 FFR Veteran Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,938	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Well, the one-handed trills in HELLBEAT and Vertex BETA are harder than the one down-right trill in Kil Stage. The odd patterns in HELLBEAT also screw me over. Not too much speed is required to AAA Kil Stage either. __________________ Made by arrekusuof93 at Ye Olde Photoshop Shoppe Who remembers this thread? Brings back great memories XD

10-17-2008, 08:00 PM	#1511
jimerax ★_★★^★★ Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tokyo Posts: 8,185	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Kil Stage is high-VC mainly because of PA difficulty, and maybe jumpstreams.

10-17-2008, 09:53 PM	#1513
stavie33 FFR Player Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,925	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Okay, difference: Xeno-flow < Kil Stage in terms of both PA and difficulty Kil Stage is hard for multiple reasons, and yes, it requires quite some speed, mainly my problem with fixing my BF is always the 24th trill, that requires speed, and so doe the various 24th-48th rolls, which some have weird patterns that aren't consistent. Top that off with a jumpstream that has 48th bursts consistently thrown in and you've got yourself a high VC, for me Hellbeat was an easier AAA, but ya know, it's different for everyone __________________ It's getting better all the time I used to get mad at my school (No, I can't complain) The teachers who taught me weren't cool (No, I can't complain) You're holding me down (Oh Oh) Turning me round (Oh Oh) Filling me up with your rules (Oooh)

10-19-2008, 12:35 AM	#1515
foilman8805 smoke wheat hail satin Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: LA baby Age: 36 Posts: 5,704	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 Lapis is definitely a VC. That jumpstream is way to hard for a 9. Also, what's the reasoning for the C rating on Over the Frail Dream? That stream is like 200 BPM...

10-19-2008, 12:48 AM	#1517
foilman8805 smoke wheat hail satin Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: LA baby Age: 36 Posts: 5,704	Re: R1 - Actual Song Difficulties V2 VB and Monstrous Turtles! are both VCs featuring 200+ BPM streams. Just thought it would be logical to include OtFD in that category too. But perhaps they are only VC for length? I dunno. Does anyone have any thoughts about Lapis? Breakdown, I know you said you were gonna go buy it and play it earlier. What did you think?

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