TWG 203 Werewolves in Avalon GAME THREAD

[bugkid666]

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I'm back

more in-depth analysis of each player on manti wagon would be helpful. vainly, i enjoyed your deep dive into me (don't take that out of context)

[bugkid666]

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My top town not reading my post because it's too long IN A GAME THATS ENTIRELY READING POSTS is demotivating as fuck like come on

I was considering a vote for Phase Extension so I could have time to actually go through all of Day 2 later but if people are just going to scroll down and only pay attention to the bottom line then here

Roundbox -> Raeko -> Jub/Charu

There save everybody some precious time so they don't have to actually play the game -_-

i read your posts and responded. i also sincerely hope you feel better. the post-thanksgiving bloat is real

[mellon_collie]

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I'd be down for an extension... I was thinking the same thing because I basically missed all of yesterday as well

[bugkid666]

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im personally not into an extension because literally nobody posted yesterday anyways

[MixMasterLar]

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<3 Charu. Glad it's getting better

Bug if you want to solve Raeko this phase I'll bless that lynch but I do think Round is a solid hit

[MixMasterLar]

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I brought up an extension because I'm probably overvaluing people wanting me to go through the whole game again. In reality no one seems to care so w/e

I got my targets, if people are already set on theirs there is no benefit to dragging the game out

[roundbox]

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Charu's vote on manti:

Also, the heck was that EoD anyways in the last five minutes. I didn't mind the wagons, but I wanna point a suspicious finger at Manti for flip flopping like that.

Seems odd

right off the bat, Charu suspects Manti for his vote movement. He was the first person in the the thread to call out manti specifically for this, as bugkid really only looked at the post about 4/4 votes that I mentioned in my other breakdown. it's a fair thing to call out manti on, so credit to Charu here

Or it could be they were on the list. Get rid of the possibility of getting a case on one of the wolves. Then again, no one seemed to mind either one of them getting put on a wagon so maybe not.

My brain is too tired to think right now.

Charu responds to manti's answer to bug's question about the KITB stuff, and posits that manti might have made a vote swap as a wolf since FFA or jub3r7 was on the list (Charu makes it unclear here), but my problem with this is the fact that he brought up this list. the only people that can benefit from this list (and this list will NEVER be confirmed to the thread until post game) are the wolves, so any talk about it is anti-town tbh

MML, as much as I think your town still, I'm not sure I understand the slightly aggressive response considering you were no where near insta.

I suspect Manti, but goodness, feels like your taking a major offense to his reasoning, lol

continuing, Charu affirms his suspicion on Manti, but comments that MML might be a bit too tunnely

Don't hate your case, not at all.

I suspect him for his flip flopping as I said. I feel him labeling the two wagons as "meh" and then flip flopping on them was odd.

Charu responds to MML about why he suspects manti, and this is Charu's response. It follows his logic earlier just for the flip flopping.

Maybe this seems crazy to think, but MML, Freezin, Bugkid, and myself seem to be okay with pointing at manti. Perhaps that's a good sign we got a valid suspect. Or the wolves are latching on to Manti's flip flop stunt.

I feel, if I has to say a town thing about it, a wolf like Manti would never make themselves THAT obvious of suspicious play.

Charu notes this before any votes (maybe MML, but not bugkid for sure) are placed on Manti to try to support the validity of his argument. Charu floats the idea that Manti might just be TWTBAW immediately afterwards. There's something about this post that I will come back to in a later point, so keep reading pls

Honestly I would love to make posts where it's essay long, but I don't have the patience for that on a phone. Doing multi-quotes is impossible, lol.

Anyways, I get your read on me now. Of course my answer is I'm town, but yeah!

I suppose my other wolf read is Wayward, not a fan of their reentrance.

Wayward

Charu suspects WV and votes him! Whoa! but the only comment is "not a fan of their reentrance"
no, I'm not judging you for being unable to multi-quote, but I don't really feel like this is specific enough about his reentrace. Was he too cocky? Jovial? I don't know.

I'm voting him simply to see what others feel, tbh

Not expecting a wagon to build, but it's one I wouldn't mind

This is how he responded when pressed on his WV vote by MML. "Voting him to see what others feel"
seems wack and makes this vote feel toothless

Here's three posts (the only ones) I could find between Charu and WV:

Pretty bummed to be hon-

Oooohohoho, wait! Almost walked into that one, bucko!

Am i correct in assuming that it would be in the wolves best interest to push the lynch towards the players that aren't in their 5 player list

Sort of, wolves would like to know their merlins I would think.

I didn't like his reentrance is all. Also, apparently I'm soft town to him after a silly exchange of him calling me a wolf.

I understand that Charu has suspicion on WV, but I don't understand anything past that point.
And also, demerits to both Charu and WV for talking about merlins and the list! The best way to win the game is to vote wolves, not think about a mechanic that will not be confirmed until the end of the game

Okay, is this being salty, lol

This is Charu's response to Manti getting heated about MML. He has another post like this, but it is of the same substance and not worth quoting

Having thoughts that Jub might be a wolf. Not liking that they're going out of their way to state they don't wanna elaborate on something.

Share it!

Next, Charu moves on to see if jub3r7 can get traction. Nicely though, unlike WV, he's specific about the part of jub3r7's posting that he finds odd. He does this without voting.

Wagon for what? Being too passive as some are saying?

Excuse me for phone posting and not able to do essay's!

Charu responds to Manti calling him a wolf. I don't really see the reactionary shtick anymore, and I feel like Charu is more of a "throw something at the wall to see what sticks" kind of approach here.

Apparently he just sees you super red. Don't blame him, your EoD action is just super odd.

Charu reaffirms his suspicion on Manti for his EOD behavior.

Curious..

Raeko

See where this go for the last stretch

Like the WV vote, he drops a vote on raeko (joining my joke vote) without being terribly specific about why. I think his response to this is much worse than his defense of the WV vote. Here it is:

Gauging and Seeing immediate reactions.

Relax, I was seeing something.

Call it me being curious

Was he trying to see if Manti moved his vote? He didn't really say aside from being curious. Where have I heard the "let's see how things go?" before?

Lets put the juber wagon at 3 with FFA and see what happens.

ruh roh (also, while I'm quoting this post, notice how manti put the vote into a KITB only to force it the other way later)

Alright, alright.

Manti

Mostly because I think MML is town here. If you flip town, I'll go after MML, promise!

Charu backs off and votes Manti, citing their belief in MML being town. MML not being town wasn't really under question by anyone but Manti and myself. He doesn't mention Manti's flip flop voting, which is odd since he brought it up twice in his previous posts about suspecting Manti.

Wouldn't hate, but I absolutely agree we nip this manti business while we can.

I don't know who he's responding to here (bug, wv, and jub3r7 were talking about alternative wagon targets for a moment), but he ends by saying it's time to solve the thunderdome. He didn't really say it needed to be solved (unless I missed it), so it's a partial contradiction by omission for his reasoning.

I don't think Charu's vote on Manti is very good. After he notes that Freezin, bug, MML, and himself are all pretty united about Manti being a wolf, he uses his time to find other voting avenues in WV and Raeko. He floats jub3r7 as a potential, but never goes as far as to voting him. Raeko's vote looks worse because of his reasoning and its timing (WV one was far from EOD). bug's vote looks better than charu's vote, but let's see the other voters!

[MixMasterLar]

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Look credit where it's due Round's pretty correct on Charu there

Still voting Round

[mellon_collie]

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this is not something a town asks, especially considering i answered this question already.
wolves inquire more than they offer. this is exactly what raeko is doing today.

I reread everything like three times but if I missed it or just didn't get it yeah probably

I can't deny that I am inquiring more than offering, I'm trying my best to get into the game but I'm super tired and it's more difficult than I would like to admit to get motivated

i agree with this but i wanna resolve raeko first bc something about that last post rubbed me seriously the wrong way.

In this post you are talking about the same one where I asked you the question, right? Not the last post I made talking to Roundbox?

I wasn't going to bring up the an extension but since other people did I was down. More because this feels like half a phase to me because people weren't around yesterday and also I'm dead tired but I either way it doesn't matter that much

Also Charu that is amazing to hear

[Charu]

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Charu's vote on manti:

right off the bat, Charu suspects Manti for his vote movement. He was the first person in the the thread to call out manti specifically for this, as bugkid really only looked at the post about 4/4 votes that I mentioned in my other breakdown. it's a fair thing to call out manti on, so credit to Charu here



Charu responds to manti's answer to bug's question about the KITB stuff, and posits that manti might have made a vote swap as a wolf since FFA or jub3r7 was on the list (Charu makes it unclear here), but my problem with this is the fact that he brought up this list. the only people that can benefit from this list (and this list will NEVER be confirmed to the thread until post game) are the wolves, so any talk about it is anti-town tbh



continuing, Charu affirms his suspicion on Manti, but comments that MML might be a bit too tunnely



Charu responds to MML about why he suspects manti, and this is Charu's response. It follows his logic earlier just for the flip flopping.



Charu notes this before any votes (maybe MML, but not bugkid for sure) are placed on Manti to try to support the validity of his argument. Charu floats the idea that Manti might just be TWTBAW immediately afterwards. There's something about this post that I will come back to in a later point, so keep reading pls



Charu suspects WV and votes him! Whoa! but the only comment is "not a fan of their reentrance"
no, I'm not judging you for being unable to multi-quote, but I don't really feel like this is specific enough about his reentrace. Was he too cocky? Jovial? I don't know.



This is how he responded when pressed on his WV vote by MML. "Voting him to see what others feel"
seems wack and makes this vote feel toothless

Here's three posts (the only ones) I could find between Charu and WV:







I understand that Charu has suspicion on WV, but I don't understand anything past that point.
And also, demerits to both Charu and WV for talking about merlins and the list! The best way to win the game is to vote wolves, not think about a mechanic that will not be confirmed until the end of the game



This is Charu's response to Manti getting heated about MML. He has another post like this, but it is of the same substance and not worth quoting



Next, Charu moves on to see if jub3r7 can get traction. Nicely though, unlike WV, he's specific about the part of jub3r7's posting that he finds odd. He does this without voting.



Charu responds to Manti calling him a wolf. I don't really see the reactionary shtick anymore, and I feel like Charu is more of a "throw something at the wall to see what sticks" kind of approach here.



Charu reaffirms his suspicion on Manti for his EOD behavior.



Like the WV vote, he drops a vote on raeko (joining my joke vote) without being terribly specific about why. I think his response to this is much worse than his defense of the WV vote. Here it is:







Was he trying to see if Manti moved his vote? He didn't really say aside from being curious. Where have I heard the "let's see how things go?" before?



ruh roh (also, while I'm quoting this post, notice how manti put the vote into a KITB only to force it the other way later)



Charu backs off and votes Manti, citing their belief in MML being town. MML not being town wasn't really under question by anyone but Manti and myself. He doesn't mention Manti's flip flop voting, which is odd since he brought it up twice in his previous posts about suspecting Manti.



I don't know who he's responding to here (bug, wv, and jub3r7 were talking about alternative wagon targets for a moment), but he ends by saying it's time to solve the thunderdome. He didn't really say it needed to be solved (unless I missed it), so it's a partial contradiction by omission for his reasoning.

I don't think Charu's vote on Manti is very good. After he notes that Freezin, bug, MML, and himself are all pretty united about Manti being a wolf, he uses his time to find other voting avenues in WV and Raeko. He floats jub3r7 as a potential, but never goes as far as to voting him. Raeko's vote looks worse because of his reasoning and its timing (WV one was far from EOD). bug's vote looks better than charu's vote, but let's see the other voters!

You're stinky.

[Charu]

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Anyways, to answer some of rounds stuff.

My suspicion of Wayward was mostly his style of posts that was skirting the joke/serious realm. I didn't know if he meant some things or was just being a goober.

My vote on Raeko wasn't even because I thought she was suspect. I literally wanted to see what the thread hive mind had to say if they saw a potential wagon on her. It wasn't me throwing a vote for the lulz.

Speaking of, I really don't jive with her stating she's gonna wait and see you do these vote analysis. That made me instantly go "huh" because I thought she didn't suspect you. It's not until this phase she does anyways.

[Charu]

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Actually, yknow what?

Raeko

[mellon_collie]

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Actually, yknow what?

Raeko

Rude!

I wanted to wait and see what his next analysis looked like in comparison to his first to see if it seemed like he was coming to legitimate conclusions or if it seemed like he was making stuff up

I didn't really suspect him before this phase. But at this point of the game given last EOD obviously I am going to suspect him at least a bit and want to see what he's got to say

[roundbox]

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WV's vote on Manti:

Also yo mantis is playing. Can't wait to see him power wolf again

Is it going to happen? Iuno maybe

wv quotes his own early game point, suspecting that manti might be wolfing. He wasn't really suspecting manti until this post, as he scumread Charu and MML as wolves at the end of the previous phase. Why is he suspecting Manti now? we don't know

They're posts read from the point of view of someone who has been keeping up with the thread.


Mantis x jub x ????

I have a huge suspicion brewing in my pants

After making several posts being putting suspicion on jub3r7, WV puts manti into his list of wolves. Still, don't know what his problem is with Manti.

I can't tell if MML is being reasonable because he's a wolf or not


Manti lynch over MML if I'm cooking the bacon right

It looks like his problem is the Manti/MML stuff. I don't know what kind of bacon you're cooking with here, my dude.

Heh this didn't age well at all. Spoiled p quickly actually

again, just quoting manti from earlier ("chances on me forgetting about this game?"), and throwing suspicion on him without doing anything but coasting with MML it seems

Am i correct in assuming that it would be in the wolves best interest to push the lynch towards the players that aren't in their 5 player list

here's the demerited post from the last post I did. I'm only mentioning it here for context

I wasn't originally super happy about FFA being 2 voted with his activity being pretty poop. but I like both people on that list and bug kid's vote is actually reasonable. Conflicted here

So you mentioned earlier in this day that we jive but never really went further into it than that. Has your opinion changed and can you actually explain why you're cool with me when so many others are not

he asks Manti why he was reading WV as town (I think if I understand this post correctly). He seems to have a problem with Manti giving him such a free townread.

Why would you think someone would jump at the last minute? What were you expecting to happen? Who did you think was the most likely to jump?

here's a post that seems to be digging into Manti for his vote. It's not directly pointing a finger of suspicion, but it kind of looks like it. It's at least more specific than his other posts, but WV still seems to be sitting at the shores of prying into Manti.

1: FreezinIce - soft town
2: flashflash account Town, Died d0 - I was wrong rip FFA you didn't get to town read me once
3: mellonxcollie (Raeko) - light wolf
4: bugkid666 - medium town
5: roundbox - null
6: Wayward Vagabond - literally the town
7: Jub3r7 - medium wolf
8: MixMasterLar - light town
9: Shadow_God_10 (Lewdy) - rip lewdy
10: Charu (big bird) - soft town
11: DarkManticoreX2 - literally power wolf I called it don't @ me

calls Manti a power wolf. y tho

Get better duder also i don't disagree with your vote on manti

agrees with freezin in a weird way. saying "don't disagree" sounds like he's avoiding saying "I dig your vote," but I might be overthinking

Can I be the counter wagon if there isn't going to be one

Intent to vote manti for self prez

what kind of post is this

Are you in the same camp as freezin where the flip of one resolves the other

after making many posts wolfreading jub3r7, he asks me about my MML vote in relation to Manti. it's his only manti related post in a few posts.

You see that's because back in his day you could get tons of info from all the vote switches happening

here's a snarky dig into Manti. he suggests that the voteswapping is what the powerwolfing is all about. I wish you would have been more outward and said it??

I'm sticking with my manti vote like I mentioned I would before

manti

he makes this last two posts and votes manti.

WV's progression is odd to me. He implies his problem with Manti without directly saying it, and spends lots of his time reading into Jub3r7's posts. It appears that the vote swapping is the thing that waved red flags for WV, but he doesn't outwardly state it until the very end (unless I missed a crucial post). He suspects lots of other people but delivers on voting manti over everything else. He's not putting his vote on people like Charu was, so I'll give him some points over Charu, but this vote looks pretty weird even if I've been liking WV otherwise

[bugkid666]

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Bug if you want to solve Raeko this phase I'll bless that lynch but I do think Round is a solid hit

i don't think you can sell me on rb today. his presence today is significantly better than before which i think is normal for him near end of game. i might be tunneling on raeko here but i don't care. if she comes up as town, then you have full permission to target rb more specifically tomorrow.

i don't see a world where they are both wolves considering todays interactions between the two of them.