2nd Official FFR StepCon!

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  • Silvuh
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    FFR Simfile Author
    FFR Music Producer
    • Apr 2005
    • 938

    #811
    Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

    I think I spent at least five to six hours the first night the songs were released coming up with a layering scheme and patterning it to be playable. Over the week, every day I spent several more hours either playtesting and tweaking this one file or working on my batch judgements. Ironing out awkward patterns, testing some different layering, trying different minijack locations to make sure they were all relevant, revising the PR, making sure the vocal rhythms play properly (referencing the lyrics and seeing where extra notes to repeated vowels do and don't work, shifting notes when the rhythm isn't straight and keeping them looking nice) and testing over and over, over many days until everything was where I wanted to be, feeling fluid in playtesting. And I made some color gimmicks to the pitch/instrumentation of those two sections to help make the file unique and made all the minijacks 150 BPM to prevent them from converting as two-framers (with the correct BPMs to keep everything in place, of course, but the conversion messed it up by making the beat drift somehow.)

    Anyway ... it hurts to see someone laugh at the effort they put into their file when it gets the most positive reception, better than something I tired over the whole week. I knew I had to work hard because of all the competition and was worried I wouldn't make it. And when, in two rounds, the first and only comment I receive is "weird intro, quit out early," I was very disheartened. (Yeah, mine was E2.) But I passed, and my file was actually acceptable this time, so that helps bring some confidence back.

    Nothing to do now except keep working at it ... It shouldn't have taken until the last round for everyone to give it their all, and I hope that's not too much to ask for this time.

    Originally posted by Wayward Vagabond
    Kinda stupid that they'll all be judged together though. Song preference is going to play a huge part in it when it shouldn't play as big a role
    I agree with Carlos here. The files being judged together isn't the problem, it's the way song choice is made to be a factor here. If you give choices of tracks to step, that should mean that what people choose will somehow affect their scores; it wouldn't be a part of the competition otherwise. (Compare this to not giving out a synced .sm file: one's score will be affected depending on if they can sync the file to the music, which is a necessary part of stepping.) Yes, song choice is a part of stepping, too. Long and repetitive stepfiles aren't very fun. But these three tracks are in totally different genres, making them hard to compare.

    To make song choice a gradeable factor in this competition, it would have made more sense to pick tracks in the same genre with different levels of maturity and stepability. One really could judge based on song choice that way. But now you have to be even more careful that a judge's musical tastes don't get in the way of fair judgements.

    Originally posted by PrawnSkunk
    There is an element of risk in picking songs that are harder to score on than others.
    I'm going to be disappointed if "This track feels like it would be harder to step to me, so I'll give more points to the best files for this track, because their risk paid off more" is going to be a thing. One who has stepped a lot of a particular genre will find that genre easier to step, and what's easy for someone else might be challenging for the other person. People might avoid trying to step the more challenging tracks just because they don't like that genre of music, not because they don't have the ability to step it well.

    It might be nice to have one more round with the top ten and only one track. Actually, what might be more worthwhile is, for this round, make everyone step all three tracks and average their scores. Test everyone's ability to step different genres and in doing so eliminate the song choice factor. That'd be something. (And the deadline should be extended to give some more time for each file. I wouldn't want to be rushed to send in something that's not my best. I try to be my best.)

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    • hi19hi19
      lol happy
      FFR Simfile Author
      • Oct 2005
      • 12194

      #812
      Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

      I know one comment in that post was directed at me so I want to clarify, I don't mean to insult anyone by being surprised at my rating.
      If anything, I echo your sentiment because I dont think I had the best file. I expected to be second or third in this group at best.

      A sense of perspective is important. Judging can be fickle and subjective; be proud of your own work. I always feel this way and I will say it whether I win or place dead last.


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      • hi19hi19
        lol happy
        FFR Simfile Author
        • Oct 2005
        • 12194

        #813
        Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

        Also to be clear I did put several hours into my file as well. I definitely didn't put the same effort into some parts I did into others (lol) but don't mistake me joking about the JS sections I admittedly rushed on as me being completely dismissive of the competition and the effort it takes.


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        • hi19hi19
          lol happy
          FFR Simfile Author
          • Oct 2005
          • 12194

          #814
          Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

          Lastly I just want to agree that I would love to step all three of these songs.

          For example, would I be allowed to make a 6 minute "course" for FFR of these three songs?
          Like a 2 minute part of song F, 2 minutes of song G, 2 minutes of song H all in one audio file, then submit that 6 minute file as my one submission? It's technically not against the rules as far as I can tell (just a really creative interpretation of "being able to cut the songs as you see fit"), but I want to ask before I go and put that much effort into something that won't be accepted.

          I know which I will step if we can only choose one, of course.


          Sorry for triple post, edit feature doesn't work right on my phone.
          EDIT- wtf now it does
          Last edited by hi19hi19; 09-8-2014, 09:43 AM.


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          • dashoe93
            Alphabet Crowd
            FFR Simfile Author
            • Nov 2005
            • 2950

            #815
            Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

            There's too many varying factors that come into play for something like this. It's all heavily based on opinion. I thought I did much better on E than C, but it's discouraging to find out it's just one point above my previous piece of garbage. I mean, I guess I should spend more time on it, but I wouldn't know what to do differently. As horrible or as good as I may think it will be is completely irrelevant.

            I'll stick to Stepmania stepping. Not even sure if I want to pick any of those at the moment.

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            • YoshL
              Celestial Harbor
              FFR Simfile Author
              FFR Music Producer
              • Aug 2008
              • 6156

              #816
              Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

              nice tourney


              Originally posted by Charu
              Only yours, for an easy price of $19.99! You too can experience the wonders of full motion rump sticking.

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              • xXOpkillerXx
                Forever OP
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Dec 2008
                • 4207

                #817
                Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

                Originally posted by YoshL
                nice tourney
                +1

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                • t-rogdor
                  tane orb
                  FFR Simfile Author
                  • Jun 2007
                  • 2685

                  #818
                  Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

                  Originally posted by Silvuh
                  Compare this to not giving out a synced .sm file: one's score will be affected depending on if they can sync the file to the music, which is a necessary part of stepping.
                  worse, I'm pretty sure early on in the tournament hi19 asked about this being done since, yknow, being able to sync yourself is a pretty goddamn important part of making a file, and one of the higher ups said that it was gonna be done in later rounds
                  oops

                  Originally posted by Silvuh
                  what might be more worthwhile is, for this round, make everyone step all three tracks and average their scores. Test everyone's ability to step different genres and in doing so eliminate the song choice factor. That'd be something.
                  c̶o̶s̶i̶g̶n̶e̶d̶
                  e: nevermind, listened to track H, don't wanna +1 anything that would make me have to step that bullshit
                  Last edited by t-rogdor; 09-8-2014, 10:17 AM.
                  Originally posted by cetaka
                  I saw a flyer on a bulletin board at school asking for high-functioning aspergers/autism people to participate in some kind of experiment, and all I could think was, that sounds like a great place to meet girls.

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                  • t-rogdor
                    tane orb
                    FFR Simfile Author
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 2685

                    #819
                    Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

                    yo also if you guys were gonna pick a vsnares song off my love is a bulldozer why the hell wasn't it Amazon
                    at least that track would've offered some kinda challenge in terms of stepping, not to mention, it's actually uhhhhhhhhhhh interesting lmao
                    Last edited by t-rogdor; 09-8-2014, 10:36 AM.
                    Originally posted by cetaka
                    I saw a flyer on a bulletin board at school asking for high-functioning aspergers/autism people to participate in some kind of experiment, and all I could think was, that sounds like a great place to meet girls.

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                    • TC_Halogen
                      Rhythm game specialist.
                      FFR Simfile Author
                      FFR Music Producer
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 19376

                      #820
                      Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

                      Originally posted by YoshL
                      nice tourney
                      Originally posted by xXOpkillerXx
                      +1
                      knock it off, guys.

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                      • PrawnSkunk
                        Administrator
                        FFR Simfile Author
                        FFR Administrator
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 3907

                        #821
                        Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

                        Originally posted by t-rogdor
                        yo also if you guys were gonna pick a vsnares song off my love is a bulldozer why the hell wasn't it Amazon
                        at least that track would've offered some kinda challenge in terms of stepping, not to mention, it's actually uhhhhhhhhhhh interesting lmao
                        In my opinion, Amazon was a rather uninspiring jungle breakcore track that did not offer enough diversity in possible layering schemes to qualify as a final round song.

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                        • t-rogdor
                          tane orb
                          FFR Simfile Author
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 2685

                          #822
                          Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

                          Originally posted by PrawnSkunk
                          In my opinion, Amazon was a rather uninspiring jungle breakcore track that did not offer enough diversity in possible layering schemes to qualify as a final round song.
                          I get that, but it's no more uninspired nor is it any less diverse than the actual song.
                          idk that whole album was neat but not for stepping
                          w/e
                          Originally posted by cetaka
                          I saw a flyer on a bulletin board at school asking for high-functioning aspergers/autism people to participate in some kind of experiment, and all I could think was, that sounds like a great place to meet girls.

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                          • hi19hi19
                            lol happy
                            FFR Simfile Author
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 12194

                            #823
                            Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

                            If we're talking hypotheticals, I would have liked the VS song to be something that REALLY tests stepping skill...

                            Something off the Filth album like Labia or Calvin Kleining


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                            • Wayward Vagabond
                              Confirmed Heartbreaker
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Jul 2012
                              • 5866

                              #824
                              Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

                              Or you know not VS at all

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                              • XelNya
                                [Kaho]
                                FFR Simfile Author
                                • Sep 2012
                                • 3369

                                #825
                                Re: 2nd Official FFR StepCon!

                                Here's how I sit:

                                The only song on this final round I wouldn't have used was My Love Is a Bulldozer. And not because it's uninteresting, or something else is better, but because someone else is already working on it and has posted videos on the front page of the WIP. Which means It's kinda hard to miss that for anyone who frequents the site at least twice a day. Which I know most of us do.

                                Video in case you're curious:



                                I kinda wanna request for that reason you guys pick something new and extend the round by a day. I think that'd be the best course of action. But only for the VS song. The other two are perfectly fine. I don't like to step on other people's toes when they're like halfway done already.

                                Otherwise, when I saw the songs for this final round I was pretty hype. I like all three of them. It was kinda hard to choose.

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