jTWG XLIV: Rise of the Dark Samurai

[Xception704]

Well, morning means either as soon as seer, guardian, and wolves submit their PMs or in eight hours ...

[Kekeb]

With lito, he didn't ask for any info. Megamon asked for the psychic to talk. Megamon is also a bit newer to the game, and I don't know if he learned what to ask for or not. It sounds like megamon is a puppet for an experienced wolf.

[Kekeb]

I'm aware lito was implying that the psychic should talk with him... it's going to be hard because the psychic can't talk openly. I recommend no blues talk to any of them about your roles.

[Xception704]

So basically, guardian - wait until the last moment to submit your PM, and make a decision based on what you see fit.

Psychic - don't come out to anyone until we have proof that we've found the real seer ... which might not even happen at all.

[Kekeb]

I'm thinking the fake seer is indeed the wolf that isn't phased by the psychic. If one is lynched and it looks like he was indeed a human (from the psychic) we best really think about it before we lynch the other self-claimed seer.

[Xception704]

Oh. ****ing. damnit.

I didn't even think of that. So if the wolf who's pretending to be a seer is indeed the anti-psychic wolf, we don't know which one's the real seer anyway ... =\

[Kekeb]

I want to hear manti's thoughts on this.

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by megamon88

Hey everyone, I just woke up, I don't get up at midnight, so I didn't read the thread till now. And someone I find very suspicious right now is litodude. He came out as seer, when I know that I am seer myself. Guardian, do the right thing and guard me. Psychic, hit me up on AIM or PM me, we should form an alliance. As for litodude, you have some explaining to do.

great...sorry guys just woke up...let me read the thread and i'll see wtf is going on

[jugglinguy]

It'll be interesting to see whether the psychic comes out if we were lucky enough to get the wolf lynched on day 1. That'd stop us from lynching the true seer then (since no red millers), but it'd basically be sacrificing themself.

[Kekeb]

Originally Posted by jugglinguy

It'll be interesting to see whether the psychic comes out if we were lucky enough to get the wolf lynched on day 1. That'd stop us from lynching the true seer then (since no red millers), but it'd basically be sacrificing themself.

Read what i said a few posts up.

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Xception704

Talked to Lito via AIM last night ... he forgot that a counter-claim might exist and he wasn't prepared for one. What I'm thinking is that he planted that to make it seem like he really is a seer.

Yes, I explained myself to you yesterday: I kind of got hasty in -not- wanting to die, this is my first time being a seer, and I forgot there was a possibility of a wolf counter-claiming my role. IN FACT, the idea of a counterclaim didn't really seem possible knowing that this was jTWG....I guess I was wrong.

If you could, Xception, pull up the log we had and post it?

Now, here's something interesting I have to tell you guys:
I was on nearly the whole night and early morning today (I was wacthng the admin feed on the front page), and I saw megamon and Manti viewing the thread for quite some time. I don't know if they noticed me, I forgot whether I was signed in or not, but I remembered to take note of that. This quick gathering of 2 players might not be substantial evidence to conclude anything, but I couldn't leave it out for your consideration.

Originally Posted by hoochan

Whoever the Seer is, they aren't getting lynched unless the wolves are retarded and wanted to sacrifice the wolf who claimed seer because if Lito or megamon got lynched tonight, then it's pretty obvious that the wolf is the one left.

This is true and possible. Think about the possibilities as well though: It's obvious to assume that one of us, megamon and I, is the real seer and the one faking it is a wolf. The easiest method and most obvious choice is to kill one of the players, the real seer, and the game would probably go fairly easy. The problem with this decision is the variability of the guardian, who may choose to guard either seer or some random person.

Another scenario that you might not have considered, is that the wolves kill their own teammate (assuming whichever one of us you think is a wolf dies). Aside from losing a player form their own team, the wolves, whoever allied with the fellow wolf, will receive more trust from those they are trying to persuade to form alliances (in AIM btw). If that seem confusing here's a scenario:

player 1 claims seer.
player 2 claims seer.
both players fight over who's really whom.
other players decide to take a side.
wolves side with wolf, and kill him.
they will obviously say, during day, that the real seer is a wolf.
confusion ensues, alliances will be formed that contain wolves.

This scenario of mine I wrote down yesterday --er-- earlier this morning while I was watching the thread. Let me insert a log here to explain that:


Kek3b (12:00:30 PM): you have any idea on what to do now?
Litodude (12:00:47 PM): with the claim?
Litodude (12:00:50 PM): lol yes
Kek3b (12:00:51 PM): yeah
Litodude (12:00:53 PM): jungmour
Litodude (12:00:58 PM): i don't know who that is
Litodude (12:01:02 PM): already im'd me about it
Kek3b (12:01:03 PM): xception
Litodude (12:01:12 PM): and i told him this was going to be easy
Litodude (12:01:40 PM): i didn't expect a coutnerclaim, but when xception told me about the possibility, i quickly thought of one just in case
Kek3b (12:01:49 PM): ok
Litodude (12:01:57 PM): this "quick thought" required me to stay up al night and watch everyone though =/
Kek3b (12:02:02 PM): lol
Kek3b (12:02:07 PM): elaborate?
Litodude (12:03:26 PM): erm
Litodude (12:03:29 PM): i'm posting in a bit
Litodude (12:03:33 PM): i think it shold be explained
Kek3b (12:03:36 PM): ok

--This relates to what I said earlier about seeing manti and megamon.

Originally Posted by Xception704

I didn't even think of that. So if the wolf who's pretending to be a seer is indeed the anti-psychic wolf, we don't know which one's the real seer anyway ... =\

How do you presume that you wouldn't know the real seer is? The anti-psychic wolf shows up as a green has been killed remember? The real seer would show up as [color=blue]. This means, if the psychic reports that a green has been killed, then we know that is a wolf. That leaves us with the real seer.

Let me add this in here last minute so I can give Kekeb what was just said. These were just my thoughts.

jungmour2009 (9:40:46 AM): go check topic when you get back
jungmour2009 (10:02:10 AM): you've been counterclaimed
jungmour2009 (10:02:13 AM): go check topic
Litodude (11:47:39 AM): thanks
Litodude (11:47:43 AM): epic
Litodude (11:47:45 AM): easy
jungmour2009 (11:52:03 AM): ?
Litodude (11:57:33 AM): easy
Litodude (11:57:35 AM): i mean
Litodude (11:57:37 AM): wow
Litodude (11:57:39 AM): lmao
Litodude (11:57:47 AM): i didn't really think anyone would counterclaim
Litodude (11:58:01 AM): these wolves are being led by someone smart

[Litodude]

Originally Posted by Litodude

If you could, Xception, pull up the log we had and post it?

jungmour2009 (11:08:26 PM): talking
Litodude (11:08:47 PM): sup
jungmour2009 (11:08:52 PM): nm, you?
Litodude (11:08:53 PM): i'm assuming you read my post
jungmour2009 (11:08:55 PM): haha yeah
Litodude (11:09:00 PM): and i'm also assuming that you know i came out as the seer
jungmour2009 (11:09:08 PM): yep
Litodude (11:09:52 PM): so let's come out clean:
Litodude (11:09:55 PM): what's your role?
jungmour2009 (11:10:01 PM): human
Litodude (11:10:13 PM): fair enough
jungmour2009 (11:10:19 PM): lol that was stupid
jungmour2009 (11:10:30 PM): even if I was a wolf/a blue, why would I tell you what I am before waiting for a counterclaim?
Litodude (11:10:59 PM): oh!
Litodude (11:11:00 PM): ****
Litodude (11:11:07 PM): i totally forgot that someone might counterclaim
jungmour2009 (11:11:10 PM): -_-
Litodude (11:11:11 PM): man
Litodude (11:11:17 PM): that'd be a problem =[
Litodude (11:11:31 PM): i guess i shuld've came out day..
jungmour2009 (11:11:37 PM): lol you decided to come out as seer, but you're not prepared to counter the counterclaim? -_-
Litodude (11:12:06 PM): i forgot that someone might xD
Litodude (11:12:10 PM): i got kind of ****y
Litodude (11:12:11 PM): ****
jungmour2009 (11:12:19 PM): lawl
Litodude (11:12:29 PM): man
Litodude (11:12:31 PM): if someone does
Litodude (11:12:43 PM): wait
Litodude (11:12:46 PM): how could they pull it off
Litodude (11:12:51 PM): there's a psychic
Litodude (11:12:55 PM): if one of us dies
Litodude (11:13:04 PM): **** it's so late
Litodude (11:13:08 PM): acn't think straight
jungmour2009 (11:13:09 PM): yeah, psychic's kind of imbalanced the way rzr made it =\
Litodude (11:13:19 PM): ****
Litodude (11:13:25 PM): well
Litodude (11:13:28 PM): let me know if there's upadtes
Litodude (11:14:05 PM): i don't want to beer
Litodude (11:14:07 PM): ...
jungmour2009 (11:14:10 PM): ?
Litodude (11:14:12 PM): sorry
jungmour2009 (11:14:13 PM): you don't want to beer?
Litodude (11:14:15 PM): ****ing
Litodude (11:14:17 PM): my friend
Litodude (11:14:19 PM): is talking to me
jungmour2009 (11:14:20 PM): oh lol
Litodude (11:14:21 PM): about beer and a party
Litodude (11:14:34 PM): i don't want to keep pressing f5
jungmour2009 (11:14:52 PM): oh don't worry, I do that enough for everyone
Litodude (11:14:59 PM): ty
jungmour2009 went idle at 12:35:54 AM.

Sorry about the -mild- confusion...I was a bit intoxicated...>_>

oh look juggling im'd me

jugglinguy94 (12:21:22 PM): you seriously haven't been seer before? you've played 134432 games though? lol
Litodude (12:21:33 PM): yea serously
Litodude (12:21:36 PM): i've never been a seer till now xD
jugglinguy94 (12:21:49 PM): wow
jugglinguy94 (12:22:04 PM): and to think you might die night 1 XD

;_;

[Xception704]

Words in orange are my thoughts.

Originally Posted by Litodude

Yes, I explained myself to you yesterday: I kind of got hasty in -not- wanting to die, this is my first time being a seer, and I forgot there was a possibility of a wolf counter-claiming my role. IN FACT, the idea of a counterclaim didn't really seem possible knowing that this was jTWG....I guess I was wrong.

If you could, Xception, pull up the log we had and post it?

Are you serious? You're claiming that you would have thought that no one would have counterclaimed because this is the jTWG where people who have played in TWGs also play in? That sounds off to me.

Here's the log though:

Now, here's something interesting I have to tell you guys:
I was on nearly the whole night and early morning today (I was wacthng the admin feed on the front page), and I saw megamon and Manti viewing the thread for quite some time. I don't know if they noticed me, I forgot whether I was signed in or not, but I remembered to take note of that. This quick gathering of 2 players might not be substantial evidence to conclude anything, but I couldn't leave it out for your consideration.

Meh ... not much really ... I've been online all day and I've seen various groupings of two ... so that doesn't really mean anything to me.



This is true and possible. Think about the possibilities as well though: It's obvious to assume that one of us, megamon and I, is the real seer and the one faking it is a wolf. The easiest method and most obvious choice is to kill one of the players, the real seer, and the game would probably go fairly easy. The problem with this decision is the variability of the guardian, who may choose to guard either seer or some random person.

Another scenario that you might not have considered, is that the wolves kill their own teammate (assuming whichever one of us you think is a wolf dies). Aside from losing a player form their own team, the wolves, whoever allied with the fellow wolf, will receive more trust from those they are trying to persuade to form alliances (in AIM btw). If that seem confusing here's a scenario:

player 1 claims seer.
player 2 claims seer.
both players fight over who's really whom.
other players decide to take a side.
wolves side with wolf, and kill him.
they will obviously say, during day, that the real seer is a wolf.
confusion ensues, alliances will be formed that contain wolves.

I've already talked about this scenario with several people via AIM. I'll address it further once it gets down to where the psychic is concerned.

This scenario of mine I wrote down yesterday --er-- earlier this morning while I was watching the thread. Let me insert a log here to explain that:


Kek3b (12:00:30 PM): you have any idea on what to do now?
Litodude (12:00:47 PM): with the claim?
Litodude (12:00:50 PM): lol yes
Kek3b (12:00:51 PM): yeah
Litodude (12:00:53 PM): jungmour
Litodude (12:00:58 PM): i don't know who that is
Litodude (12:01:02 PM): already im'd me about it
Kek3b (12:01:03 PM): xception
Litodude (12:01:12 PM): and i told him this was going to be easy
Litodude (12:01:40 PM): i didn't expect a coutnerclaim, but when xception told me about the possibility, i quickly thought of one just in case
Kek3b (12:01:49 PM): ok
Litodude (12:01:57 PM): this "quick thought" required me to stay up al night and watch everyone though =/
Kek3b (12:02:02 PM): lol
Kek3b (12:02:07 PM): elaborate?
Litodude (12:03:26 PM): erm
Litodude (12:03:29 PM): i'm posting in a bit
Litodude (12:03:33 PM): i think it shold be explained
Kek3b (12:03:36 PM): ok

--This relates to what I said earlier about seeing manti and megamon.



How do you presume that you wouldn't know the real seer is? The anti-psychic wolf shows up as a green has been killed remember? The real seer would show up as [color=blue]. This means, if the psychic reports that a green has been killed, then we know that is a wolf. That leaves us with the real seer.

Wrong. The psychic gets blue+green/red readings, NOT green/blue/red readings.

Let me add this in here last minute so I can give Kekeb what was just said. These were just my thoughts.

jungmour2009 (9:40:46 AM): go check topic when you get back
jungmour2009 (10:02:10 AM): you've been counterclaimed
jungmour2009 (10:02:13 AM): go check topic
Litodude (11:47:39 AM): thanks
Litodude (11:47:43 AM): epic
Litodude (11:47:45 AM): easy
jungmour2009 (11:52:03 AM): ?
Litodude (11:57:33 AM): easy
Litodude (11:57:35 AM): i mean
Litodude (11:57:37 AM): wow
Litodude (11:57:39 AM): lmao
Litodude (11:57:47 AM): i didn't really think anyone would counterclaim
Litodude (11:58:01 AM): these wolves are being led by someone smart

[Kekeb]

Nvm, psychic sees blues as blues, not as human or green. Disregard some of my previous posts.

[Litodude]

^The log convos I have mean that I'm on AIM. so come talk to me if you has q's

[devonin]

Seems to me that the psychic -normally- sees red/not-red, but rzr's description in the signup said red/blue/green

[Xception704]

Someone invite us all to an AIM chatroom. For some reason, it keeps telling me "Invite has been timed out" or some **** like that.

[Xception704]

Originally Posted by devonin

Seems to me that the psychic -normally- sees red/not-red, but rzr's description in the signup said red/blue/green

Well I'm confused ... but rzr's in the topic. Want to clarify rzr?

[devonin]

TWG FAQ says
Psychic:
The Psychic is basically what you would expect to get when applying the word psychic to TWG. Each “night” the Psychic will receive a report from the host telling them how many wolves are left. Assuming that the wolves kill a human each night, this essentially tells the village whether their previous day’s lynch was that of a human or wolf; a very powerful tool for the village to have.

RZR's description:
For anyone who doesn't know how a psyhcic works, once a player dies the psychic is given a reading on how many players are letf and which colors. So if a wolf dies on day 1 the psychic is told that there are 3 wolves, 3 blues, 7 humans.

[sc979]

Originally Posted by Litodude

Another scenario that you might not have considered, is that the wolves kill their own teammate (assuming whichever one of us you think is a wolf dies). Aside from losing a player form their own team, the wolves, whoever allied with the fellow wolf, will receive more trust from those they are trying to persuade to form alliances (in AIM btw). If that seem confusing here's a scenario:

player 1 claims seer.
player 2 claims seer.
both players fight over who's really whom.
other players decide to take a side.
wolves side with wolf, and kill him.
they will obviously say, during day, that the real seer is a wolf.
confusion ensues, alliances will be formed that contain wolves.

I think this scenario can be thrown out because I'm pretty sure it's against TWG rules to wolf a wolf.