TWG CVII: Where da Wolves at? (C9++ setup)

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by thesunfan

if you have a special role and you are about to be lynched LET US KNOW!

@everyone regarding this: lynches should take place way sooner before the deadline than what happened in day 1.

bynary went from 3-away-from-lynched to DEAD in under 2 minutes. it's impossible to claim a PR under those circumstances.

furthermore, even if someone claims PR and saves themselves, the resulting lynch gives weak info as the process becomes too chaotic.

kill someone sooner. yes talking is good but just do it.

[dAnceguy117]

first 200 posts in reread tell me nothing ugh

i'm focused on this pool. no particular order.

soramimi
MeaCulpa
emerald
Velocity
Silvuh

[MeaCulpa]

Personally, this was my last sentiment toward Bynary (494). My gut said he wasn't a wolf, but his posts near the end of the day had me confused enough to want to see his flip. Again, I was offering my opinion regarding the no-lynch discussion, but I can see how it could be interpreted for soft-defending him. Again, for what it's worth, I wasn't defending him...don't really have anything else to say about it.

Not ready to put in a vote yet, but I'm curious to hear jrodd's feelings right now...he seemed very confident in bynary being a wolf.

[soramimi]

So, I can’t sleep due to my back being in constant agony, and figured why not go over things again and actually make a real post. (I hope this makes sense; I’m dead tired.)

There are two routes to go on this day phase: one is to focus on Bynary’s lynch, the other is to focus on James May’s being killed. I’d rather focus on James in terms of how I want to progress in searching for other roles. Both these deaths gave us some really great insight into what roles we’re facing in this game, (Yoshl had a good breakdown of possible combinations (#547) but as other discussions came up, I’m starting to lean towards dance’s idea that the wolves targeted the SK, who picked 1-shot bulletproof, and thus survived the kill. This kind of throws everything into a loop: I think the wolves targeted someone who was suspicious of James, and this person happened to be the SK who went after James with their nightkill. Thusly, I’m most suspicious of those that were targeting/voted for James, meaning psychoangel, Velocity, and Yoshl.

And backtracking to yesterday, Silvuh, I’m shifting my focus away from you now. I was wanting more posts from you since I often saw you in thread, and then when you did make a post, it had that “list of wolf things” comment, which if it was just in jest, riiiight before lynch happens is probably not the best time to make it. =p Just wanted to say that.

The person I want to hear most from right now is Velocity. Apart from not having said much this game, his final vote before the lynch was on James.

Anyway, I’m going to attempt sleeping again, so I might not be very active until this evening. Good niiiight!

[YoshL]

Scenario where there is a Serial Killer that used up its 1 shot bulletproof

? Cops
? Doctors
1 Vigi (?)
2, 4, or 5 Masons
? Roleblockers
1, or 3 Mafia

and by this logic, we can't have 5 Vs, because it would use up the 7 letters really quick.

I doubt that there are 3 Vs (it's possible), but i doubt it because most likely, they would have sent in some sort of kill (not necessarily, but most likely.)

But then again, it's really early for trying to find out the whole setup.

And I've realized that my previous letter logic has been horribad, so fuck me on that part. Anyways, I seriously want Velocity to start making contributions. You're missed, and suspicious.

[psychoangel691]

Sorry I really don't want to be pulling any newb card here but I'm a little confused as to how the SK works I guess. I'm reading other's posts and it's throwing me off a bit. Can someone explain the SK a little better for me? I thought they were just like someone who appeared as red then I just looked back and saw the either seer proof or 1 shot vigi proof but where does them being able to kill someone at night come into play? Does SK also get to pick a night kill?

[MeaCulpa]

Originally Posted by psychoangel691

Sorry I really don't want to be pulling any newb card here but I'm a little confused as to how the SK works I guess. I'm reading other's posts and it's throwing me off a bit. Can someone explain the SK a little better for me? I thought they were just like someone who appeared as red then I just looked back and saw the either seer proof or 1 shot vigi proof but where does them being able to kill someone at night come into play? Does SK also get to pick a night kill?

Yep they do: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?...#Serial_Killer

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by MeaCulpa

Yep they do: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?...#Serial_Killer

Okay thanks. I didn't even realize that we had an extra person with a night kill. Even with that though I don't think that what soramimi is saying would work though right? I mean they wouldn't have found out they were targeted my a wolf and then been able to send in their kill after right? I would assume no one knows the outcome of who the wolves or SK chose until after the night phase is totally over.

[YoshL]

I'm really not sure where the confusion is:

the SK would send in their night kill like a normal night ability. that's all.

[MeaCulpa]

Yeah exactly, it was basically a fortunate turn of events for us that night. A few possible scenarios in my head then:

- There was only 1 V drawn initially, so there is no vigi now that Bynary is dead. SK killed James, and Doctor or Roleblocker prevented mafia's kill.

- There were 4, 2, or 0 T's drawn, and 2+ V's. There is no SK, the vigi killed James, and Doctor or Roleblocker prevented the mafia's kill.

- Still possible is a mix. Either the SK or vigi killed James, a doctor and roleblocker each prevented the mafia and other vigi/SK kill.

I think it's still too early to tell unless my deductive powers aren't working properly on a Sunday morning.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by YoshL

I'm really not sure where the confusion is:

the SK would send in their night kill like a normal night ability. that's all.

Originally Posted by soramimi

up, I’m starting to lean towards dance’s idea that the wolves targeted the SK, who picked 1-shot bulletproof, and thus survived the kill. This kind of throws everything into a loop: I think the wolves targeted someone who was suspicious of James, and this person happened to be the SK who went after James with their nightkill. Thusly, I’m most suspicious of those that were targeting/voted for James, meaning psychoangel, Velocity, and Yoshl.

This came off to me like the SK had known they got targeted by wolves then put in their kill after blocking the wolves. I probably just read it wrong being still half out of it.

I also just didn't know in general that the SK had a nightkill. I didn't see that on the OP and I've never played or read a game that had an SK in it.

[psychoangel691]

I also have to admit I at times get thrown off when people use terminology that's from the mafia stuff rather than the terms laid out here with the wolf game. I kept seeing bulletproof which was throwing me off till I realized that it was the vigi here.

[dAnceguy117]

note that only 50% of the setups generated by C9++ randomization will contain a serial killer. the odds would be slightly lower than 50% based only on known existence of a wolf roleblocker. however, given the 1-shot vigi flip and the known non-wolf nightkill, odds of SK existing this game are high.

tip: don't worry about the theoretical SK too early. SK wants wolves dead ASAP, so that can help the town in the early game. the SK is also much harder to find, as the SK has almost no "extra" knowledge and is basically a human during the day phases.

if you have any questions about Mafia terminology, type something in the search bar here:
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Main_Page





start worrying about possible role combinations later, when it becomes more important. right now try to lynch someone who isn't a human.

[Velocity]

Originally Posted by soramimi

The person I want to hear most from right now is Velocity. Apart from not having said much this game, his final vote before the lynch was on James.

I'm not really sure what/how I want to contribute tbh, while I have my own personal list for who I have as wolves, but I lack enough proof within the posts to properly back it up.

For James May, when he did the vote, he simply piggybacked j-rodd rather quickly without adding much into the reason, as through trying to start a voting snowball which ended up working.

It wouldn't surprise me much if j-rodd was also a wolf. His sureness of getting Bynary lynched when he was the first final vote on him also bothered me.

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

anyway ur caught this early lol

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Originally Posted by YoshL

Anyways, I seriously want Velocity to start making contributions. You're missed, and suspicious.

The longer I play TWG, the more I'm realising how bad I am at being aggressive in these situations. Which really doesn't help me.

[dAnceguy117]

try not to overthink it. if you're a human then just post your thoughts as best you can (and more frequently) and you'll probably be fine. otherwise uh oh

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by Velocity

I'm not really sure what/how I want to contribute tbh, while I have my own personal list for who I have as wolves, but I lack enough proof within the posts to properly back it up.

For James May, when he did the vote, he simply piggybacked j-rodd rather quickly without adding much into the reason, as through trying to start a voting snowball which ended up working.

It wouldn't surprise me much if j-rodd was also a wolf. His sureness of getting Bynary lynched when he was the first final vote on him also bothered me.

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The longer I play TWG, the more I'm realising how bad I am at being aggressive in these situations. Which really doesn't help me.

yes, I started that wagon and I was wrong, it happened. I still don't know what you've done besides blend in

[j-rodd123]

lol bynary not claiming, that's team sabotage

other than that (Y) vigi
(Y) roleblocker/doctor

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by YoshL

I really, really, really fucking don't like this. It might just be the way Kayla has been playing, where she announces everything that she's going to and will be doing, but this post really reeks.

ok, so, i really don't like the tunnel vision on james day 1. yeah, he's a wolf, yay. but...ok, kayla had her suspiscions of james, and she described them, over, and over. and over. I'm not sure why she was so adamant about pushing James, when (i think danceguy mentioned this) people who've played w/ james were being cautious about the whole deal. It's not like James shot up on the villa lean list or anything, most people thought there were better candidates for a lynch. I don't know why Kayla waited until the very end to get off James, which is also really weird I think.

The extra gloating here speaks volumes here too, which is either not understanding our intentions of not voting james, or just trying to make it seem like she had the right idea all along. The kind of "talking down" thing that she's doing is really crappy, because it's really looking like an overly forced way to look like she's human. "Never can go off things like 'Just James being James'", but we weren't clearing him or anything, just going for a lynch that would give us some information.

Also, if you're going to do something, then I seriously don't know why you'd state "i'm going to stop pushing for this person, but also going to re-examine these people too", unless you're making your utmost effort to look like you're contributing. Just post stuff when you're done. You can announce like "shit i need to re-read the thread", but the level of announcement adds to your "oh hey i was right you guys were wrong" as well.

i'm so fucking bad at explaining myself, it's terrifying

hmm I was gonna lock clear psycho I didn't really think of this lol. it was opposite of what I read on day 1 of her in the united nations game last time which made me find her as a wolf like right away.

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by Silvuh

The biggest defenders of James were thesunfan (311) and Jrodd (281, 409).
Biggest attackers of James were YoshL (149, 288) and psyochangel (406).

Defenders of Bynary included soramimi (305, 379), dAnce (in meta only) (296), Mae Culpa (318), emerald (351), Velo (393), and me (299, 495).
The big attacker on Bynary was jrodd, starting around post 264. Jrodd, Yoshl, and James go against Bynary about the lynching thing around 265-280. There was a second argument, but I forget where it was. Interestingly, Mea then backs out of defending Bynary (340). sunfan does the weird defened-but-lynch thing (293, 348), and I did, too in (495). Psychoangel (400) expresses some suspicion on Bynary.

I didn't get to making notes after post 413, because my head was pretty full. So that's what I have in my notes.

I was a "biggest defender of james" and not danceguy? weird post

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

@everyone regarding this: lynches should take place way sooner before the deadline than what happened in day 1.

bynary went from 3-away-from-lynched to DEAD in under 2 minutes. it's impossible to claim a PR under those circumstances.

furthermore, even if someone claims PR and saves themselves, the resulting lynch gives weak info as the process becomes too chaotic.

kill someone sooner. yes talking is good but just do it.

lol he had plenty of time to claim especially given what was talked about in the thread