TWG XCVII: The Flame War (Real Version)

[cedolad]

I'm still going to deliver my analysis on Kraut and my current opinions on who could possibly be the remaining arsonists.

coming soon to a theater near youuu

seriously though I just woke up in my chair (I fell asleep after ^) and I have work in 4 hours, soooooo g'night twgers<3

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

We need to lynch Kraut.

Kraut has placed 0 votes through two full day phases. He hasn't kept his supposed reads silent, but he has been extremely slow to take any action which could go on his permanent record.

This guy has been completely static throughout the game. Take a look at the following posts, and compare the timestamps.

169
193
355
449
496

Do you see any changes? Any signs of someone who actively seeks to separate the truth from the lies? I know what I see. I see a player who has picked some town reads - because even reds can't point fingers at everyone - and has then looked for reasoning which supports those predetermined picks. Same with the Arsonist reads.

Here's a snippet from 496.



We've now reached Day 3 of the game. Nine real-life days have elapsed since the game began. Kraut has brought nothing to the table. Why do you think Kraut has spent so much time defending what he himself describes as a somewhat shoddy image? V called Kraut out during Night 3, and Kraut retaliated with pillows. Why would a townie act so deathly afraid of a nearly-confirmed townie?

The only people whom Kraut has accused of being red are Zoshi/Sage and me. Where did his conviction against Zoshi come from? Look at Kraut's soft push against Sage during Day 2. After two Day phases of holding the exact same opinion, Kraut didn't even place a single vote. He threatened to put the final vote on Sage, but instead, he disappeared and let other players do the dirty work. Kraut has been in hiding.

With two reds out of the way, the town will either win outright or win later. Let's get this right.

this pretty much sums up my thoughts on kraut very nicely. they've been suspicious and dodgy this whole game and responses meandered from giving a definite conviction on something. i'd be willing to bet that kraut is an arsonist, this is not his village game (although definitely less "flowery" than a previous wolf game i looked at).

also vic that plan is no good, i don't think confirmed people should announce where they are going because we want to keep as many definitely cleared ppl alive obviously.

[YoshL]

(4) Krauthammer - j-rodd, James, Viccica, dAnceguy
(2) Viccica - yo man, tps
(3) No vote - cedo, kraut, V

1 to insta

[j-rodd123]

i'm pretty confident so i'm not gonna take my vote off 1 away from insta to give kraut a chance to defend themself.

[Krauthammer]

Ah well.

Sorry for having been so useless.

I suppose that I lost my enthusiasm for the game after Day 1.

I suppose it is because, eh, I'm not used to games where player-to-player conversations are restricted to a thread. I guess I'm more used to the usual style of private talks and/or chat stuff. And well, I think I just went and focused on defending the few things I had formed an image of. My Day 1 thought of who was an Arsonist and who was Town. Can't say I did much effort of making reads after that.

The only thing I see I can defend myself is the whole voting stuff. In the first day, Insta happened before I could vote. I was focusing on the question I had asked Dance, and was waiting for his answer before voting. Depending of the answer, then I would vote for a player. But then the Netjet insta happened while I was typing a post, and bam, I didn't vote.

The second day was different. I gave Sage chance to reply to the thread before 3:30 PM before I finished the Insta. And he posted! Maybe it was something murky and not-so-contributive, but it was at least a post. I took it as a hint that now he was here in the thread, ready to defend himself, so I left the computer for a while. When I came back he had been insta'd, with zero or one posts after the one I saw. Once again I had lost a chance to vote.

Aaaand...yeah, that is more or less the story behind my lack of votes.

Not much to say after that.

Hmmmmm...a vote? Then I suppose I'll stick to what I have said before and vote Danceguy, then.

[Vendetta21]

Krauthammer

[YoshL]

Krauthammer's body is quickly disposed of.
He was a Townie.

Night 4 has fallen. Night will end in 24 hours, on June 12th at 1:00 PM

PLAYERS LIST

1. j-rodd123
2. yo man im awesome
3. cedolad
4. Xiz
5. James May
6. Viccica
7. Netjet!
8. dAnceguy117
9. Sage of the Forest
10. Krauthammer
11. Vendetta21
12. Tps222

========================

Library
Restaurant
Bar
Office
Grocery Store
Mansion
Hospital
School
Shack

Final vote counts
(5) Krauthammer - j-rodd, James, Viccica, dAnceguy, Vendetta
(2) Viccica - yo man, Tps
(1) dAnceguy - Krauthammer
(1) no-vote - cedolad

[Vendetta21]

Welp I have to rethink my whole game.

I insta'd kraut because I felt it was kind of dubious that he had two tabs open and was refreshing the thread in one multiple times and was too slow to get a post in. To be fair he really got himself killed.

[dAnceguy117]

sorry y'all.

so confused... rereading now

[dAnceguy117]

ok I still feel pretty lost.

here's my current list. most wolfy to least.

1) Viccica
2) Tps
3) j-rodd
4) YMIA
5) V
6) cedolad
7) James

[j-rodd123]

I'm bad.

Danceguy why do u find me more wolfy than yoman?

[dAnceguy117]

I hit the reset button and was mad at myself for clearing you. Also the Night 2 flub that you yourself charged against me was creeping into my brain after James was cleared. Also I bought yo man's attempt to bust James on his no-seering claim really hard, since no one had mentioned that tactic.

Changed my mind like an hour later though

[dAnceguy117]

Jrodd what are your reads and why?

[James May]

mfw we lynch most suspicious town...AGAIN

[FoJaR]

@yoshl: can you update the list on page one to show who is dead and when and how they died? thx.

[YoshL]

will do (OP Updated)

[j-rodd123]

Originally Posted by dAnceguy117

Jrodd what are your reads and why?

I was thinking kraut/vic but now that kraut flipped green my read for vic is fading and my suspicion for yoman has been increasing. your read on him is kind of opposite mine, the bs call thing made no sense.

I ask you to do a reread of yoman as Im going back to look at kraut.

my gut, against all my logic, is telling me you/yoman, but I def think you're more clear than yoman. kraut also spewed u a bit, but kraut was distant.

anyways I think we can all agree cedo and james are clear lol, V is clear too (who would solidify the reasons for lynching an arsonist day 1? definitely not an arsonist that would be retarded)

this leaves:

me
yoman
tps
you
vic

you honestly can not lynch outside of this list.

yoman is suspicious to me, and I see him/u as a definite possibility. vic was one of my main targets but if my read on her is right, it doesn't look to good for you she doesn't seem connected to anyone. tps is playing his retarded meta and making good posts but really infrequently and not doing as much as I want to see.
I only see a connection with tps/V but that surely can't be w/w

[Viccica]

Can I ask why you would assume it was me and Kraut? Pretty much no reason for that, I voted for him very early on. Seems weird that you cleared me because he was a human. Not that I'm complaining but I just don't get it.

[dAnceguy117]

Originally Posted by j-rodd123

I ask you to do a reread of yoman as Im going back to look at kraut.

- late, short D1 vote on Netjet
- short D2 votes on Kraut, me, Sage
- weird safety on Viccica D3



those votes give me no real indication of anything. same deal with Tps and Viccica.

Tps:

- final D1 vote on Netjet
- D2 vote on cedo, then unvote
- D3 vote on Kraut, immediate switch to Viccica

Viccica:

- no D1 vote
- D2 votes on me, Sage
- D3 vote on Kraut



the only w/w connection there that would seem super awkward to me would be YMIA/Tps.

Viccica/YMIA and Viccica/Tps red pairs make more sense to me because of the D3 votes on Viccica. the result of D3 was basically inevitable. prime opportunity for a distancing vote imo.

[dAnceguy117]

this game is driving me insane.

new list

1) Tps



2) Viccica
3) YMIA
4) jrodd


obviously do not lynch James or cedolad.


if you reach lynch-or-lose with exactly one red remaining, you MUST consider V.