Attention Staff & Users: Please Stop Fighting

[gold stinger]

I simply posted proof that I was no longer part of the FFR TCG. Is there something wrong with that? If so I do apologize.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Still would like to apply for something else though considering that was my main past-time.

Good luck. You've just shown that you can't keep private conversations private. Instead of confronting me in private about things I may have said that were offensive to you, you posted them on a public forum.

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Real talk though rushyrulz, all this is doing is creating an even bigger divide between the userbase & FFR Staff. You acknowledged it, not me.

I'm not sure how removing an untrustworthy person from a major project that other TCG staff have invested months of their lives to is a detriment in any way.

Originally Posted by gold stinger

I simply posted proof that I was no longer part of the FFR TCG. Is there something wrong with that? If so I do apologize.

You may as well have quoted from a PM. I don't need to explain why that is wrong.

[Gradiant]

Yo rushy, tcg is saxrunner's thing you know. Probably should go through him first before removing goldstinger because of the pm thing.

[rushyrulz]

I hired gold stinger. I have every right to fire him.

(with loose definitions of hire/fire)

[xXOpkillerXx]

Good job staff, nice progress!

Am I doing it right ?

[_Zenith_]

Can we refrain from the Rushy/GS debate and OP's shitpost? I want to keep this thread open for the discussion it was meant to have.

Nothing personal, but this is a serious thread with serious measures and we need to come together to move on with FFR.

Just please, keep any posts on topic and if Admin/Mods remove your messages then I don't feel bad because this needs to stay on topic.

[s1rnight]

Originally Posted by xXOpkillerXx

Good job staff, nice progress!

Am I doing it right ?

yeah! that's pretty good imo. a lot of people dont want to make posts like this out of the blue bc its only like one line of text and they think it is like a waste of content or something but i think it is worth stressing that even things that sound like vacant platitudes go a long way when they actually have feeling behind them.

(for what it is worth, i also like the ffr dev staff. also prawnskunk)

(and fission)

[Bynary Fission]

I don't feel that there is a lot for me to add, but I would like to extend my gratitude to the staff for all they do. Nobody is being paid to update and run the site, and in light of that I appreciate the time and effort they put into making what updates they can and keeping this site alive for as many years as they have.

Keep up the good work, guys.

[gold stinger]

As much as I am upset about no longer being part of the FFR TCG, I can respect the decisions made, but I felt that this discussion is much more important than my task at hand with the FFR TCG. Namely, is there any certain position that the Administration team currently has in this? I know Zageron wanted to get down to talking about how to fix it on Page 2, but it sort of spiraled out of control from there.

[Guilhermeziat]

Guys, this has already been going for so long, every time a thread tries to be serious about this situation all I see is everyone provoking eachother and trying to "win" the argument, or prove their point "right", when there's nothing to win or to be proven especially on this topic. Why continue arguing mindlessly when you can step back a little and realize that you can end it the easy way? Just acknowledge what the other person is saying instead of completely contesting it, trying to win. There is nothing to win here. Don't let your anger blind your decisions.

[TC_Halogen]

full disclosure from me:

- i'm really not happy how users are acting
- the fact that users are complaining about shit after noticeable movement has been done is absolutely ridiculous; people have become complacent
- i'm not and have not been happy about the lack of transparency on staff on occasion, moreso in the past but i'm not on enough to see it now
- both sides have numerous flaws that has personally made FFR uninhabitable to me anymore

it is what it is

users likely can see that my activity has completely plummeted because i've grown annoyed with FFR and more fond of osu!mania as well as increased my activity with ITG, and it's because I legitimately cannot stand the lack of organization/maturity in some cases

and:

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

Ask AJ why he quit: hint, it's because the ratio of respect for the massive amount of work he put into the site versus the amount of unwarranted shit he got from unappreciative, entitled assholes just made it all not worth doing. After being staff for a while, I see where he's coming from.

thank you, because you summed it up for me and also likely for Kayla as well -- the difference is that she's still dedicated and I'm not

EDIT: also very much willing to admit that I am being and likely have been a shitty moderator; the things that happen when you get jaded

[DossarLX ODI]

Originally Posted by Guilhermeziat

Guys, this has already been going for so long, every time a thread tries to be serious about this situation all I see is everyone provoking eachother and trying to "win" the argument, or prove their point "right", when there's nothing to win or to be proven especially on this topic. Why continue arguing mindlessly when you can step back a little and realize that you can end it the easy way? Just acknowledge what the other person is saying instead of completely contesting it, trying to win. There is nothing to win here. Don't let your anger blind your decisions.

The problem is when someone is put on the defensive which is why I mentioned the short version "be a part of the resolution, not the problem."

If you disagree with someone, explain why but do so in a manner that shows you aren't trying to put the person on the defensive. Once you put someone on the defensive, that opens a new can of worms. Being staff is a thankless job and users need to see that.

One could see it this way: It takes two seconds to make a thoughtless claim bashing someone. It takes hours to unsuccessfully resolve an issue someone is not willing to cooperate with.

[yo man im awesome]

Originally Posted by Kraezymann

Remember the Golden Rule, folks.

I mean really, just be nice

reminder that this is literally all this and this thread needs to be

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

One could see it this way: It takes two seconds to make a thoughtless claim bashing someone. It takes hours to unsuccessfully resolve an issue someone is not willing to cooperate with.

To be fair this is exactly what the thread feels like for me right now, and that could probably go for a couple others here too.

[psychoangel691]

Originally Posted by TC_Halogen

thank you, because you summed it up for me and also likely for Kayla as well -- the difference is that she's still dedicated and I'm not

Well I'm certainly no where near as dedicated before because I'm not as active as I once was. But I really do enjoy doing events for the community.

[Tarrik]

Threads like this make me sad. I barely come on the site anymore and when i do, I see threads bashing players or staff, or it's about what can we do to fix this or that and It nearly always ends in the same circle-jerk elitism with the thread getting locked. I just don't get it.

[gold stinger]

All this arguing & disagreeing between each other has made me really tired. (Not sarcastically or metaphorically speaking, I'm just really drained of energy.)

I'll come back to this tomorrow in the morning to see if anything was added to the thread, but as of right now it just feels like this got chewed up, and spit out. Just like Zenith's thread, instead of making any real progress in trying to resolve issues, it just made it known, and created more.

[rushyrulz]

Originally Posted by DossarLX ODI

The problem is when someone is put on the defensive which is why I mentioned the short version "be a part of the resolution, not the problem."

The OP of this post put pretty much everyone involved on the defensive, hence the shitstorm that ensued.

Just because the thread isn't going the direction it was originally intended doesn't mean progress isn't being made.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by rushyrulz

The OP of this post put pretty much everyone involved on the defensive, hence the shitstorm that ensued.

Just because the thread isn't going the direction it was originally intended doesn't mean progress isn't being made.

*Cheese alert*

In all honesty, as long as this thread was recognized throughout FFR today/tonight, that's all that matters. There's no more reasons to backlash at staff when one way or another there will be change for the worse or the better.

This thread is only a step in that process of change that'll happen noticeably and behind the scenes. As FFRians, we cannot commit civil war against each other when FFR itself is on the brink of extinction. We have to try our hardest to move on with ourselves and create professional relationships with our staff and members alike.

I think it's safe to say we can all rest on this topic for the rest of the night and see later down the line what effects it might or might not have had. Hopefully this truly is a stepping stone in bridging community and staff as well as working out any problems within both of these groups.

Good night~

[One Winged Angel]

some of you can be lil shits at times, and sometimes i can be a lil shit

but god dam ur my lil shits and i love u

except gamma