Queue/Batch Discussion Thread

[MooMoo_Cowfreak]

Hey Mr. Vote4, take a look at any one of your replys and look at how attractive it is and how much you want to read it.

[hi19hi19]

In all fairness to Vote4Nixon, he has made a few good points.
1. Judging is killing creativity for everyone
2. "Newbs" have a harder time catching up in skill to the well known authors
3. Judges are hiding behind the excuse "we weren't as strict then"

HOWEVER:
The validity of a select few your points does not excuse you for your whining, crude language, and arrogant speech, nor does it mean that anything can or will be done about any of these issues.

EDIT-

Originally Posted by Silver_Brian

u dont lyk mai filz?

Hell no, I don't like that one!

[Cyanite]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

2. "Newbs" have a harder time catching up in skill to the well known authors

How so?

I wouldn't even begin to compare my talent with that of the well known authors but I'm still not having any difficulty catching up. Maybe it's a difference in perspective but whether a file of mine gets accepted or not, it's still a file, which is still giving me learned experience in file making.

As far as new stepfile authors having trouble getting their songs in, I don't see how the well known authors have anything to do with it.

[Kotarouchan]

Originally Posted by Vote4Nixon

It's not whining, I apologized for my crude language (you overt hypocrite, why don't you tone down your language before accusing others), and I'm not the one sounding arrogant here. Combining thoughts into longer sentences and using "bigger" words (as long as they're used appropriately) is by no means arrogance.

And since the start I've been saying that nothing can or will be done about the system.

EDIT: shortest post yet! HOORAYY!!! And to Mr. MooMoo, I don't mind lengthy discourses, as long as it's somewhat stimulating.

1. You are whining.
2. You tone down, because your word usage makes you sound like your berating.
3. If you don't like the system, then convert to it.
4. Trust me, you're probably the only one here who likes reading essays.

[Xception704]

Originally Posted by Kotarouchan

1. You are whining.
2. You tone down, because your word usage makes you sound like your berating.
3. If you don't like the system, then convert to it.
4. Trust me, you're probably the only one here who likes reading essays.

Agreed.

Is there a such thing as a topic ban?

Or I know there's an option to allow a user to only have his posts show up in a certain forum if a moderator+ approves it.

It's going to be a long shot, but it'd make me (and I'm sure a few others) incredibly happy if it were to be implemented.

[GamerShadow]

Topic Ban?

Interesting... so, you couldn't talk about
"Spread players suck!" If the admins said so?

[Shashakiro]

Man, some of these complaints suck.

I'm really amused by the comments that our judging is taking away "creativity" from filemakers. Do you guys think we're like "OMG, this file is DIFFERENT and ORIGINAL! reject reject reject"? Yeah, no. We outright reject files because we think they're BAD, not because we think they're different. We require minor edits because we think that a particular part of your file is BAD. Not different, not creative...bad. Or at least "could be better".

I fail to see how we're "suppressing creativity" in any way. Do you guys really think throwing in random jumps all over the place in a file is creative? *cough*EHHS/Pants*cough*. If a file is overstepped, but in a way that fits the energy of the file, or really feels creative, we'll definitely accept it. And we don't judge files based on difficulty alone. I'll just put it out now that Zagh's X-rated Heavy would be prefectly acceptable and definitely queue-worthy, at least to me...and that's DEFINITELY a 12 in FFR. But the difficulty completely fits to music, so I would't have a problem with it.

Or jacks. You keep complaining that we're ultraharsh on jacks, but well...the problem is that for the most part, the FFR-playing community just doesn't like jacks. It's not really particularly fun for most people to suddenly be restricted to 2 or 3 frames to hit an arrow when you had 6 to before. Yeah, we're fine with melody-fitting jacks when there isn't a better solution, but otherwise...it's the desires of the many versus the desires of the few. And the desire of the many (from what we understand) is to abolish jacks from files unless there's a good musical reason to put them in.

I'm typically a very open-minded person, but quite honestly, I haven't seen a single complaint made in this thread that I honestly think holds much validity at all, and certainly none that are going to alter my judging in any way whatsoever. No offense to anyone, but most of the complaints just sound like you guys are whining about how horridly harsh we are because your files didn't get in. Or that you want the system to completely cater to YOUR ideals of what the game should be like, regardless of what the rest of the community thinks.

Here's a general rule: if the reaction to a file is bad (note: this means the majority thinks it's bad, or complains about it), we'll adjust our judging accordingly to make sure it doesn't happen again. That's how some of our stricter guidelines (like overstepping) were created...essentially, they were created by the community's reactions to previous files.

[Valtrix]

Originally Posted by Xception704

When you write solid blocks of text that instantly turn people off, you invite people to "blatantly ignore" your comments.

Well, considering the comments per person weren't that long, his post was just fine in length. I thought that the text was relevant and worth reading. However, if large posts deter people from reading one side of an arguement, that says something about the kind of people on the site. (However, relevance of the post is up to the reader I suppose. Sometimes being succinct is best =P)

I'm not saying that lots of text is always the right way to go. If people will simply "ignore" a post because they don't want to take the time to learn the other side's views, then it creates for a pretty one-sided agruement.

Also, I think that if this thread is going to become such a huge debate that perhaps a new thread should be created for it, since this thread is getting out of hand rather quickly.

[hi19hi19]

Originally Posted by Shashakiro

I'll just put it out now that Zagh's X-rated Heavy would be prefectly acceptable and definitely queue-worthy, at least to me...and that's DEFINITELY a 12 in FFR. But the difficulty completely fits to music, so I would't have a problem with it.

Awesome, brb Otaku Speedvide. Or something like that.
And by this logic it had better get in >:/\

[Shashakiro]

Originally Posted by hi19hi19

Awesome, brb Otaku Speedvide.
And by this logic it had better get in >:/\

I thought I posted "to a limit".

Must've edited it out or something.

But yeah, there's a limit. Anything higher than 250 BPM 16ths-based probably isn't going to work, simply because no one will find it fun.

[Xception704]

That's true Valtrix, but arguing a few points doesn't need to take up two whole pages worth of scrolling.

If you can't summarize and use your vocabulary, which you've either proven to be extensive or very reliable on the dictionary, better than that to say what you want to say in fewer words, then you fail.

[dore]

To preface, I don't agree with the judges on all counts.

But they provide us with a service out of our own free time, the service of filtering out the crappy files to increase the quality of the game. They may be picky, but that pickiness helps improve the quality of FFR. If you'd rather large amounts of crap files sneaking under the radar (sup Crowpleaser), then bitch until Tass and Shash quit. Until then, just live with it and respect these guys for giving up their free time for the benefit of this community.

[Kotarouchan]

Vote: If you read what I said, I didn't even mention once about any simfiles.

[DarkProdigy]

Total confirmed queue, for those who have been asking:

In game, currently unreleased token songs:
1. MetalMethodMan: cornandbeans - {Satori}
2. jimerax: DM Ashura - Psychosis
3. Silvuh: xTrance - Sifon
4. Anubis (hi19hi19)

Currently subscriber songs:
1. Wlokos: Wlokos - Sonic 1 Final Zone remix
2. Rebirth: Kil - Gaussian Blur III
3. Improvisation et Chien by hi19hi19
4. R176 (Exag0n)
5. Let me be your pirate (hi19hi19)
6. Incognito by Silver_Brian
7. ESC - Super Version (Rebirth0)

In queue:
1. hi19hi19: Smiley - July
2. Video Out A (hi19hi19)
3. That Tethnic Vibe (hi19hi19)
4. Sepia by bzt
5. Bicycle Break by stargroup100
6. Divinity by hi19hi19
7. EHHS v2 by Rebirth0
8. Idol by hi19hi19
9. Let Mom Sleep by iwhaiwnfi
10. Mercury Lamp by macgravel
11. Roller Coaster Ride by hi19hi19
12. Tribal Revival by Silver_Brian
13. Amefuri Koneko by Kit-
14. BB Revenge by Rebirth0
15. Blue Army by Rebirth0 and Kit-
16. Destiny v2 by hi19hi19
17. Fall by dore
18. Fig Leaf Rag by pokelda
19. FF3 Boss by dore
20. First Try by pokelda
21. Gaussian Blur 2 by Kit-
22. GO! by Kit-
23. Hellbeat v2 by hi19hi19
24. Jurs OP by hi19hi19 (heavy steps)
25. Lesson by Rebirth0
26. Naisuaodakunyan by Rebirth0
27. Shihen by Rebirth0
28. the Dream of Scarlet by Rebirth0
29. Silence v2 by hi19hi19
30. Bright One by hi19hi19
31. CIA Rave v2 by Silver_Brian
32. Expedite by jimerax
33. Seven by Silver_Brian

[Kotarouchan]

damn... you took the time to make a list, nice. Very nice. I'm liking what I see on the Queue

"Naisuaodakunyan by Rebirth0" huh?

[Vote4Nixon]

Kotarouchan: You accused me of whining, which to some extent presupposes that I had to be complaining about my stepfiles being rejected. I just wanted to make it extra-clear that it's not a personal matter.

EDIT: Nice queue update DarkProdigy.

[Shashakiro]

Originally Posted by Vote4Nixon

you've really failed to find a balance here between making songs fun for the majority and making the system fun for all stepfile authors.

That's because we don't care how fun the system is for the stepfile authors. If the system makes it not fun for you to step files, don't step files. The system is PURELY intended to produce files that are fun for the majority, and nothing else. If this was pushing off a ton of file authors from wanting to make files, maybe it'd be a problem, but clearly it's not, since we're receiving more and more submissions every week, from various different file authors. Don't like it? Too bad. Your desire to have your files accepted really doesn't mean squat to us.

A creative file neither means the next EHHS nor a jack-filled piece of garbage like AIM Anthem.

Of course. That was my point. Using elements from those files is not creativity, it's poor file design.

denominating a stepfile as "bad" is all subjective decision-making modeled by popular opinion, so again, if you want to hide behind excuses, then yes, you aren't directly limiting creativity, it's the FFR community with all its negative reactions that is (even though you have the power to change that).

Again, of course. Why would we go with anything but the majority? Why would we WANT to change it? If the majority dislikes creative files, then you'd damn well better believe that we'd start rejecting creative files. Period.

However, I don't think the majority dislikes creative files--then again, I also don't believe that we're rejecting creative files.

Of course, these complaints would "suck" and not hold "validity" to you, right? I mean, the system works, right? Why change it?

Sarcasm or not, this is correct.

[XXXsmittyXXX]

Those look like some damn fun files...well when they come out atleast.
Im thinking about stepping a file i need to find one first.

[Vote4Nixon]

@Shash: I'm glad we see each other's point. Essentially, we're both saying the same thing, though we may have disagreements here and there: FFR is designed to please the players. Also, that last sentence wasn't all sarcasm. I really mean it when I say it's hopeless because the system won't change.

[Kotarouchan]

You know... I just saw Idol... if it has the 32nd's like the SM one... it might not look that appealing after all...