TWG CIII: New Players Welcome

[YoshL]

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[cedolad]

Originally Posted by cedolad

You need to calm down Mr. Self Righteous.

Lets attack the guy who couldn't change his vote.




Because that's fucking sensible.




And where the fuck were you when I was first calling out questions and getting the flow of information going? No where.




Where was Dragon when I initially placed my reaction vote on him, no where.




So why are you defending Dragon when he had more than enough time to chime in to defend himself? Unless you're his wolf buddy. Is this true Tokdix? Or are you too angry and self-righteous that you forgot you were playing TWG?

quoting this because bottom page-ish and I want Mr. Self Righteous to answer this fucking shit.

[Xiz]

I think Yosh and I are speaking different languages. I speak in Korean he thinks I am speaking in German. Lmfao I love it.

[Riotpolice]

Originally Posted by mellonxcollie

HELLO PEOPLE

BDN that plan does sound like a good one to me. My question is still how the seers will communicate with each other and with the rest of us without the wolves trying to sabotage things. Like... would we vote for who we want to be seered? And have everything just be totally public? I'm honestly a bit confused.

I'm pretty sure we'd just have to fall on doing a public vote. Because this game is in-thread, we have no chance of speaking to the seers directly. A voting system should definitely be utilized for the people so we can at least voice our opinions on who we suggest being seered. That, at least lets us have some sort of control over the game.

[thesunfan]

I didn't understand what the fuck you were talking about in that post either...

[mellonxcollie]

I'm not really sure that a voting system is the best idea. Something about it seems like a bad idea... I guess maybe it's too easy to sabotage? Like what would prevent the wolves from just killing whoever the "voted" seer target is and rendering that seer useless?

Again I'm just sorta confused about this whole thing and want clarification. I get the idea behind it, but I also think that we should have faith in the seers to use their best judgement because that way everything isn't just out in the open like this.

Also this Tokzic hate is fucking hilarious

[pntballa18]

Originally Posted by Brilliant Dynamite Neon

Tokzic, I love you. You slice flawed logic up like an industrial bread slicer. We definitely need to get back in touch. That is, if you ever really wanted to associate with me in the first place...

Okay, serious time.

Why I Believe In Split Seerings

I could see why certain people here are inclined to have the Inspector and Enforcer coordinate their seerings. The theory that coordination means we lose no info with one of the seers dying is the primary argument for this strategy, and it's definitely the wisest. However, in practice this falls apart and becomes impossible to coordinate with real benefit to the town IMO. Compared to splitting up commanded seering (which is my plan), coordinated seers fall short for:

– Commanded seerings being utterly wasted. All communication is public, therefore anyone we want to seer is public, and therefore any wolf team with a brain will take the opportunity to render our efforts moot. The first time the inspector sees a wolf, they're dead no matter what, there's nothing they can do about that. In any other case, what's the big edge for the town? I don't see it. If the target of any seer is human, they're getting wolfed. If the target of an Enforcer is a wolf, he might not be outed right away, given that with four wolves he might be building toward a reveal he doesn't live to make. (If you think "simply not dying" will make a coordinated seer target a viable lynch, see next point.) How can you coordinate seer readings with someone who's dead? Not without outing yourself in the thread and subsequently getting killed yourself. Plus, with less seer readings, it is less likely for such a gambit to be worth it. Less readings = less chances of wolf finding. Split seering covers a wider area, and wolves only have ONE kill. They can't waste TWO seerings.

– On the flip side, wolves can take advantage of a single announced target to frame innocents - or at least leave the town in the dark. One would think that if an announced seering target survives, they would be a wolf, right? Thus, if said person was human, it'd be a perfectly viable wolf strategy to leave them alive to cast suspicion on them. Especially if they were under undue suspicion before. This plan makes the perfect kind of wolf kill available – one that gives the town null or faulty information. Having the seers target different individuals stems this kind of trickery. Since it doesn't hinge on the postulation that BOTH readings will be fruitful, as opposed to the monolithic coordinated reading, it is MUCH harder for the wolves to make misdirection plays with their kills.

– If we DON'T command coordinated seering, compliance with this plan will be impossible, barring outing one of them and/or sheer dumb luck. Sure, this will prevent us wasting our seerings, but then we might as well not have a plan at all. Nobody can communicate outside of the thread, so there's no way of letting anyone know of a seer target without letting the wolves know as well. Therefore it is left to the luck of the draw, or more precisely the whims of the seers. By now, it's clear that there are advantages to split seering, and handling it smartly will not require the untimely outing of either of the seers, I don't see a reason they would have not to comply, unless there is something VERY suspicious and/or obvious that we somehow miss.

As for the actual commanding (attention everyone for voting for targets): I think the best thing to do would be to have the Inspector hit high suspicions, and the Enforcer hit moderate suspicions. Some may argue that under a split seering plan we have more unknown quantities as town, and after a fashion you're right. But, given that more people are getting targeted, and that the most suspicious are getting hit by the one with a vigi, it's more likely that one of those unknown quantities are dying if they are a wolf. And of course, as a safety net, we have the Aide to come out and let us know if any of our clairvoyant brethren have fallen, so we can adjust our strategy accordingly, and have a confirmed human for 2 more nights. From there, if those unknown quantities are too much to bear in light of a seer's death, we have ways of rectifying them. If the Inspector dies first, the first thing the Enforcer should do IMO is seer someone that died after they were voted for an Inspector seer, to confirm that it was a vigi or a wolfing (which is the only good use of seering the dead I can think of.) If the Enforcer dies first...I'm not sure. The only thing I could think of right now depend on whether the Inspector still has their vigi, and any plan based on learning confidential role info is shot in this game.

Anyways, that's all I have to say, and that's why I'm sticking to my plan. Any counter arguments are welcome. My next major post tomorrow will try to analyze yesterday's atrocious lynch.

P.S, the Search function ignoring ALL WORDS FOUR LETTERS AND BELOW is easily the pinnacle of fucktarded administrative decisions on this forum, never mind the caps filter.

To summarize:

Originally Posted by pntballa18

I think it would be beneficial to split up the seering duties, with two objectives in mind: to prevent the seers from picking the same target, and to give the inspector the highest chance of finding a wolf.

My idea is to have the inspector seer publicly suspected players, while the enforcer seers someone else. So let's say Day 1 player X gets lynched with 5 votes and player Y had 4, the inspector seers player Y and if Y is a wolf, now a wolf dies night 2 instead of a human/blue. Maybe there is some merit to having the enforcer seer dead players, but I don't really see how that would be worth sacrificing the chance to find, with 100% certainty, a living wolf.

[Xiz]

Fuck it never mind then lmfao.

[pntballa18]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Fuck it never mind then lmfao.

I'll explain my confusion with your post. It read like you were a blue trying to start an early alliance, but you're not a blue (or if you are you're one ballsy sonofabitch for holding your tongue while your neck was on the guillotine) so saying "I wanted to come out immediately to start building a small alliance, even though that's impossible." makes absolutely no sense to me. Especially considering there's a MW this game, so why on Earth would a green be allowed to start an alliance, even if out of game communication was allowed?

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by pntballa18

I'll explain my confusion with your post. It read like you were a blue trying to start an early alliance, but you're not a blue (or if you are you're one ballsy sonofabitch for holding your tongue while your neck was on the guillotine) so saying "I wanted to come out immediately to start building a small alliance, even though that's impossible." makes absolutely no sense to me. Especially considering there's a MW this game, so why on Earth would a green be allowed to start an alliance, even if out of game communication was allowed?

I am the most misunderstood green ever lmfao.

How about this:

I am willing to die to perhaps save the life of a blue, by perhaps pretending I was a blue. Was kinda trying to trick the wolves early.

However I COULD be a ballsy son-of-a-bitch blue who is still biting my tongue.
(Good luck wolves). It would match my playstyle this game.

But all in all, it made me look like the master wolf lmfao.

[pntballa18]

Turns out we are actually playing the google translate game, but only Xiz was informed.

[Riotpolice]

With the vote last night Xiz, I am dead set that it would be almost impossible for you [or anybody] to NOT have said anything if you were a blue. Yeah, I don't know your playstyle from previous games and all, but last nights pressure and the way you acted was something that nobody on earth, I think, could fake. I am starting to see you as either green or the MW. For me, it's no question that you're not blue. And then of course if you're red then cheers to us for finding a red early. You're dead meat.


You're #1 on my list for being uncertain at this point.

• So this is how my little theory would run: You should show up green to a seer no matter if you were truly green or the MW. There is no way you could be blue because of the pressure placed on your head from last night. We either decide to lynch you or accept you are really green. Two choices, one outcome. You're gonna live, or you're gonna die. Care for input on this?

[Xiz]

My input? Now looking back last night, I should have died instead of Dragon.
Killing him got us nowhere, besides putting a tad more suspicion on YoshL.

[Riotpolice]

Originally Posted by Xiz

My input? Now looking back last night, I should have died instead of Dragon.
Killing him got us nowhere, besides putting a tad more suspicion on YoshL.

Thanks for completely avoiding my statement that was entirely dedicated to you.

[Xiz]

Oh sorry what was the question? Lmfao. What? You think I'm red or green not blue. Cool. So what?

[Xiz]

If I die it means you loose a green. Big fuckin' whoop.

[T-Force]

I'm still suspicious of Xiz being red/MW. The whole alliance thing reeks of a load of BS.

I do commend you for your masterful turn to get Dragon lynched, though. Masterful work. *insert applause here*

[cedolad]

Misdirection, Xiz lead on a bandwagon on Dragon for an easy lynch.

Xiz is MW, Yosh is bitchwolf.









Just speculation.

[Xiz]

I hope everyone in this game notices how much nobody has given anyone else thought, besides yoshl for a bit. Yes, let's focus xiz because he is in the spotlight! But heaven forbid we talk about Mellon who while viewing the thread all last night said nothing, or RSD, who even though is now the is gonna be a daddy (congrats ) he shouldn't disappear either.
Or charu for that matter, who I can't pinpoint right meow.

How about this. Everyone vote pile me tomorrow and I won't stop you at all. I don't give a fuck. But don't stop looking at everyone else.