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[blindreper1179]

Ok, that makes sense, thank you.

[gold stinger]

Wolves don't need to dissuade the entirety of town, they only have to dissuade like, a third of you. At most. That's what, 2, 3 players at most?

[gold stinger]

Also, I only recall like 4 people ever this game making reads lists. What is up with that?

There are 26 people in the game. Make some reads lists.

[gold stinger]

Whether Storn flips town or wolf, I will be surprised at the result regardless of what it returns because of how much chaos they have incidentally (or purposefully) thrown this game into, from this set of conditions & scenarios that Main Game is facing right now.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Whether Storn flips town or wolf, I will be surprised at the result regardless of what it returns because of how much chaos they have incidentally (or purposefully) thrown this game into, from this set of conditions & scenarios that Main Game is facing right now.

This is actually town of dickington at the moment fmpov and both games are malding harder than Charu getting dicked over it.

[gold stinger]

@123kappa3

Originally Posted by 123kappa3

cedo, celery, xiz, and bug, are all possible wolves, but none are good votes right now. i think those are in order from most --> least likely. I havnt really looked too much into it. BUt bug seems really really organic about them not talking to t force.

bug and cedo are likely not wolves, Cel & Xiz are like 20% chances. Stick to the current votes with Ben, and adjust reads/plays as new information comes in.

That's what the game is lacking right now, information. You have 3 town flips that provide close to zero information and a lot of people dying fast with no fast way of producing flips.

Originally Posted by 123kappa3

BTW storns neighbor said they are town, just want to point that out

I've entertained the idea that Cel/storn could be a possible w/w regarding neighborhoods and possibilities that they could just end up in a w/w neighborhood but I shelved the idea in favor of just focusing on information circulating in how people are defending others and how the role flips for the end of this day phase will shape it.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

I've entertained the idea that Cel/storn could be a possible w/w regarding neighborhoods and possibilities that they could just end up in a w/w neighborhood but I shelved the idea in favor of just focusing on information circulating in how people are defending others and how the role flips for the end of this day phase will shape it.

Essentially; There's no way to prove whether or not someone is a wolf or town just by being in a neighborhood with someone else and relying on that source of information just because 'you've had relatively good conversations with them' leads to tunneling on the idea that they're town-aligned.

Focus on whom they are defending/attacking in-thread, and where their votes are going.

[Charu]

I'm still confused why we need a storm flip now.

Are we still attached to that idea that something fucky is going on with roles in this game?

Storn, by all accounts, should be mechanically cleared.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by Charu

Storn, by all accounts, should be mechanically cleared.

Wrong, they're 'soft cleared'. We don't know if wolves retain their kill power in this game that apparently strips PR's of their abilities and simple deduction leads to wolves being stripped of their ability to perform nightkills as well. If we only retain alignment and not abilities/roles, then wolves will never nightkill in this game.

There's at least one wolf in this game by now just by the amount of players currently in this 2nd game and if there's no nightkill with twice the amount of people compared to last night, then we should go forward with the idea that all powers are stripped here.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Wrong, they're 'soft cleared'. We don't know if wolves retain their kill power in this game that apparently strips PR's of their abilities and simple deduction leads to wolves being stripped of their ability to perform nightkills as well. If we only retain alignment and not abilities/roles, then wolves will never nightkill in this game.

There's at least one wolf in this game by now just by the amount of players currently in this 2nd game and if there's no nightkill with twice the amount of people compared to last night, then we should go forward with the idea that all powers are stripped here.

Yes we can still vote

A basic game function.

A vanilla wolf is NOT a PR. That's a basic game function.

But I digress.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by Charu

Yes we can still vote

A basic game function.

A vanilla wolf is NOT a PR. That's a basic game function.

But I digress.

Can argue the validity of the statement and whether or not that would exist in this bastard game because the mechanics are wack but I believe this still holds water:

Originally Posted by gold stinger

There's got to be at least one wolf in this game by now just by the amount of players currently in this 2nd game and if there's no nightkill with twice the amount of people compared to last night, then we should go forward with the idea that all powers are stripped here.

This is coming from the only confirmed town that can still talk in this game.

[Charu]

Like... if this entire business with storn is stemming from backpacks and blinds stripping of power, then I don't know if the same could be said about such a basic one like a wolf performing night kills.

I'm basing this off of that we, the players, can vote someone here.

[Charu]

@ Freezin

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

@charu

how you figure that? Explain it to me please cause i dont see it.

Storm joined this game during the night phase and wolves have to kill via the OP. They can't "nokill".

[storn42]

Originally Posted by Charu

@ Freezin



Storm joined this game during the night phase and wolves have to kill via the OP. They can't "nokill".

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[Charu]

@ Freezin

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

@charu

are you kidding me? This is why hes mechanically cleared?

how do you even know there are wolfkills in the 2nd game?

tbh i was expecting something a lot more substantial, you should probably stop angleshooting the setup when u dont even know how it works

i really wouldnt put all my eggs in that basket

I'm only basing this off of what the OP states and the fact we can still vote.

Basic game functions I think should be exempted from whatever is preventing the PRs in this game from performing their role since, a wolf performing a night action, is as basic as a function as you can get besides voting.

If you want to think differently, then fine. It seems players in here seem to be thinking the same wavelength as you are. I'm only commenting on where I stand currently.

It's pretty annoying that we got PR's here that apparently can't do anything due to whatever fuckery is happening because it's muddling with what I believe should be a simple deduction.

[Charu]

If I'm clearly missing something here that demands for storn's flip, then please, let me know.

Is it to confirm this fuckery that's going on over in this game? Is it for the sake of wagonomics? Or is it, as some players as of recent are saying, to speed up the game so wolves can get a win in a game where no one knows the fuck is going on?

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by Charu

If I'm clearly missing something here that demands for storn's flip, then please, let me know.

Is it to confirm this fuckery that's going on over in this game? Is it for the sake of wagonomics? Or is it, as some players as of recent are saying, to speed up the game so wolves can get a win in a game where no one knows the fuck is going on?

It is actually wagonomics & parsing wagons because flipping most other players in this game reveals nothing about association if they're all town. With how close these wagons have been for d0 & d1 in the main game:

Originally Posted by the sun fan

please let me know PRIVATELY on discord if the following votecount is incorrect

Votecount:
storn (1)- Xel
ben (4)- fatfuck, raeko, choof, kappa
DBP (1)- bugkid
fg (1)- shadow_god
logman (6)- gold stinger, haku, charu, ben, fg, funky
Haku (5)- Subaru, Force, storn, xiz, blind
shadow_god (1)- dbp
xiz (2)- Mcdaddio, spongebob
Mcdaddio (1)- Celery
Kappa (2)- cedo, Freezin
celery (1)- roundbox

you have until :15

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Votecount:
storn (10)- bugkid, plop, Haku, ben, mcdaddio, charu, freezin, Force, shadow_god, choof
cedo- (1)- Celery
ben (8)- DBP, roundbox, Xiz, kappa, fg, raeko, xel, storn

There is actually something fishy happening here with how votes are stacked.

I think I am actually correct in the initial idea that Haku & Ben are both wolfing it, from the beginning of this game. And ye, I still haven't removed the idea that Charu could be part of that as well & DBP's Charu shot was actually correct.

[Charu]

Though I suppose that last remark is more so for the main game than this game...

[Charu]

*sigh*

I'm still going to say storn is mechanically cleared, but whatever. I'm falling on deaf ears at this point and my reasoning appears to be entirely ignored even though it's written in the OP.

I blame the confusion surrounding the PRs in this game being unable to do something this phase.

I also blame the host's wording that there's an anti-town here when he warned we shouldn't be flipping ourselves in this game willingly.

I'm just going to ride out this game and see how it unfolds now I guess since logic appears to be thrown out the window for this specific game. Main game should absolutely still vote out Ben though, he's way too dirty of a slot and Ben knows it (as he said himself as he self-voted).

[Charu]

If storn flips red, then I honestly have no clue what the hell is the point of this game's existence beyond flipping for the main game if wolves can't do anything here either like the PRs can't.