Make us Mods *Read all posts carefully please*

[Privateer]

Originally Posted by aperson

Oh yes, 2 mods are definitely going to knock that from existence. Last I checked you still get postcount++ even if your post is deleted. Oh and I, the lowly citizen do fear. (OH SNAP SARCASM)

Clearly if the post is deleted, it's helps. It's better than nothing. It's a choice between lots of posts that are competely unnecessary, or less/no of those posts.

Good luck. Did you see that post your age thread I made? Yeah, the demographic in there is pretty much spot-on for the rebellious little fuckhat group that wants to do their own thing, because they're an individual goddamnit. You can't control those people with anything short of a banstick, and mods can't ban.

Furthermore, if you understand those issues lingering, then address them... Now. And I'm glad you know there are answers, but do you KNOW the answers?

How about you prove that a more present authority wouldn't help control "those people." The issues don't need to be recognized and I dont address them because there is nothing I can do about them (unless I start some sort of organized protest).

Yeah that does go through my mind. See above point about age-demographic and flame war situation. Also, deleting makes the people wonder 'where the hell did this thread go?' You lock it so people can know that it turned into a crapfest and that it was moderated.

I've already refuted the first point. As for the deleting, I feel there are some topics that should be deleted. When I look through the topics locked around the forums, I see some that have no purpose.

Halt the presses, incoming kristalnacht... the MoogyPrivateer gestapo is on the loose. Oh, and I have trouble believing your rules will be clear since nothing else in your whole post has been clear yet. Furthermore, prove how they would be drastic improvements.

Having to prove that the proposed changes would be improvements is like having to prove that a police department would help stop crime. For example, if you had IP bans in a chat, obviously there would be less retarded chatting.

You are a moderator on a board that noone cares about? Congratulations, post-flow at arch0wl's site is extremely low, though the forums are nice. Postay ratios? Sounds to me like you're a spammer. Please clarify the good points about your post to day ratio. And your forums? Probably has no post-flow, you don't learn to be a mod from postless forums.

The reason we mentioned that is because it has many of the members that come here.

The point we were trying to make by presenting you with the ratio is easily understood. You really shouldn't jump to that conclusion so quickly.

His forums still provide good administration experience.

And what exactly does poster of the year by EZBoard mean? He hit submit the most? Although Privateer's track record isn't that bad, I'd like to know what these 'large, successful forums' are.

The EZBoard award thing was to set one member of the millions as a role model.

Se my line about your slogan in above post.

That was just to spice up the post. It wasn't really supposed to mean anything.

And if you think I'm coming out here with a stupid and pointless attack, let me establish my moderating ethos.

Now wait a second, you spent half of your time arguing that mods wouldn't help, yet you aim to become one?

I don't want this topic to turn into many of the others we find on these forums. Aperson, as you are one of the more intelligent posters, I think you would make a good moderator. I'm not out to make enemies.

[aperson]

Originally Posted by Privateer

Clearly if the post is deleted, it's helps. It's better than nothing. It's a choice between lots of posts that are competely unnecessary, or less/no of those posts.

No, I mean the deleting of whole topics. I whole-heartedly agree with deleting bad posts within a legitimate topic.

How about you prove that a more present authority wouldn't help control "those people." The issues don't need to be recognized and I dont address them because there is nothing I can do about them (unless I start some sort of organized protest).

Because the burden of proof lies on you, the one making the claim.
So, tell me, oh high one, why you all stated that there were 'issues lingering' but then you state you don't need to address them. Ahh, are we just pointing out the obvious then moving along? Oh wait, that won't get you anywhere unless you address what's wrong with the forum. Nice job contradicting yourself and looking like an idiot.

I've already refuted the first point. As for the deleting, I feel there are some topics that should be deleted. When I look through the topics locked around the forums, I see some that have no purpose.

Wrong, topics should be locked with a mod message at the end stating why such action was delivered. That way people can learn from the mistake and there can be notification. Shouldn't you, the ezboard (oh great forums those are) almighty know that?

Having to prove that the proposed changes would be improvements is like having to prove that a police department would help stop crime. For example, if you had IP bans in a chat, obviously there would be less retarded chatting.

You forget something in your argument that resides upon the begging the question logical fallacy. For the police force to stop crime it has to be effective, ergo, prove why your proposed changes would be effective. Can you stop stonewalling and answer a question or are you trying to make a suprefluous agenda? As for the IP ban issue, okay, maybe. But last I checked you always get some idiot coming back with proxies that becomes 3 times the dick after the IP ban.

The reason we mentioned that is because it has many of the members that come here.

The point we were trying to make by presenting you with the ratio is easily understood. You really shouldn't jump to that conclusion so quickly.

His forums still provide good administration experience.

Many? Like what? 5?
Good administration experience? They edit people's posts for fun there (or at least arch0wl had to stop that because it was getting out of hand)

The EZBoard award thing was to set one member of the millions as a role model.

That was just to spice up the post. It wasn't really supposed to mean anything.

Ahh, useless filler to make your post longer and thus more frightening to read. EZBoard award? Give me the criteria that determine it.

Now wait a second, you spent half of your time arguing that mods wouldn't help, yet you aim to become one?

I don't want this topic to deteriorate into many of the others we find on these forums.

Oh wait, did someone not look up ethos? Maybe you'll see something about 'purpose' or 'credibility' in the definition. I'm establishing my moderating background to prove why my points that I presented are valid. Thanks, you've also proven that you are inept.

Oh, and it's not deteriorating, you're actually having to think here in this argument unlike all of the other retarded bullcrap that goes on.

[Privateer]

You present strong points and I understand the holes in my arguement. Though my understanding of the word ethos was incorrect, I still understood what you were getting at. You "established your moderating ethods" so that I wouldn't think you were coming with a stupid and pointless attack. Unless you wanted to become a moderator, I don't see a reason for you to prove why your presented points were valid.

There was no real straightforward criteria in winning the award. From the quality and content of the posts the winners have had, I'm guessing it's according to how you behave, and interact with others.

Get off my back for Moogy's track record. :P I still think it stands strong enough to show that he has a clue.

So, tell me, oh high one, why you all stated that there were 'issues lingering' but then you state you don't need to address them

...because there is nothing I can do about them...

People know what they are.

I know what you mean by leaving a moderator's note. I agree that that is an important thing to do. Don't assume that I wouldn't do that with the topics that are appropriate. A topic like http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...ewtopic&t=6352 doesn't teach anybody a lesson they don't know.

Yes, it was a fallacy. It was never a strong point. I didn't expect the type of response that I recieved when Moogy and I decided to post this whole moderator thing. If I had, I would have done a much better job in supporting everything.

And yes, most of it is retarded bullcrap.

[aperson]

So then, why should you be a moderator if most of what you posted in your claims of why you should be a moderator are, as you termed them, retarded bullcrap?

[Privateer]

I meant the "retarded bullcrap that goes on."

[Yanah_God]

i hope you know that arguing doesn't make you look too good, especially if you don't say anything worth saying in it

i would quote, but that would just make me a hypocrite

[aperson]

In that case. You sound intelligent enough to be a mod. Congratulations, you are one of the few people on this site who isn't an idiot.

[Privateer]

I appreciate the comment.

[Yanah_God]

god dammit, people always ignore me

[lightswitch_raves]

omg, their turning into nazi mods! >___<

[Freak83]

Meh, there's already a stickied thread for new moderators anyway.

[Privateer]

But it has no affect on me. I'm hoping this all turns out well for Moogy and I.

[QreepyBORIS]

Many? Like what? 5?
Good administration experience? They edit people's posts for fun there (or at least arch0wl had to stop that because it was getting out of hand)

For the record, that was mwerp. And some moogy. But mostly mwerp :O.

[Arch0wl]

Uhm, Moogy could be a good mod but Privateer is lame sometimes.

Anyways, about you being a mod on my site... I run my site and I'm not a mod yet =P

[bballplaya]

lol

[Privateer]

Originally Posted by bballplaya

lol

This is a big reason for why we need a mod...

[Nima]

i think you should do it, they both have lots of experience and stuff too, ie. *removed* and tsuguru.net or whatever.
MOOGY AND PRIVATEER make them mods :P

[Vincent_Valentine]

Originally Posted by MoogyPrivateer

Been a member of FFR since February.

*points to his joined date, shrugs*

[hEaLiNgViSiOnAnGeLicMiX]

Having to prove that the proposed changes would be improvements is like having to prove that a police department would help stop crime. For example, if you had IP bans in a chat, obviously there would be less retarded chatting.

Although some of the things you said do make sense, I disagree with the idea of IP banning. Not everyone out there is as fortunate as we are. Not everyone has one single computer all to themselves. If the IP of one public computer was banned, other people who DIDN'T spam in the first place wouldn't be able to access the forums. It's not fair to them. Also, if you banned someone's IP, they could simply find a different computer, register for an account there, and start spamming again. IP banning isn't something I find affective *because I too have been administrator of a few forums, but nothing as impressive as Aperson* if people continue making accounts just for the purpose of spamming, simply ban then. I find that it's worth the time to ban only accounts, because it's not worth the loss of other people not being able to access the site. It simply wouldn't be fair to them.

[Nima]

wow crazy you've been here that long and only 8 posts