My thoughts on the Rate Option

[Fission]

if that's what this is then it's in the completely wrong place still. better to put it in the suggestions forum than QQ about trivialities. OP brought this upon himself with the wording of his post.

[choof]

because MP wasn't dead as shit.before rates, right

[TC_Halogen]

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Maybe have both players in MP locked into the same rate would address a few of your concerns.

[YoshL]

[foxfire667]

Originally Posted by Coolboyrulez0

Maybe have both players in MP locked into the same rate would address a few of your concerns.

Having players locked in the same rate (assuming above 1.0, because if people can win matches currently with rates below 1.0 that is just lol) would just bring it back to where it was before. "I want to play this easy file", "I'll play, but it will only be fun on 1.5 for me", "I can't play this on 1.5 it would be too hard", "guess we can't play then because it won't be fun for either of us".

So basically it goes back to restricting players from playing with eachother (assuming they want to play files around their skill range, which most usually do). MP is already usually dead, so it needs any life support it can get really.

[HalfStep]

edit: wrong thread rofl (clap)

[benguino]

Well, there is one valid point the OP made. If two people play in different rates, then one will surely finish before the other. And if it's a very long song that is being played, it is possible for one person to finish several minutes before the other person which may ruin the MP experience for some.

I haven't played MP in ages, but if I recall, you can see your opponent's PA as you're playing the song iirc? If that's the case, then the issue that rates have is that one person will be progressing through the song at a faster rate, so comparing your pa with the other person's as you are playing the song is somewhat worthless because you are comparing PA at two different points in the chart.

However, the whole "waaaaaaaah, my opponent is playing on rates AND beating my score and it's hurting my ego" argument holds no ground. Unless you are the best person, there is going to be someone better than you.

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

Well, there is one valid point the OP made. If two people play in different rates, then one will surely finish before the other. And if it's a very long song that is being played, it is possible for one person to finish several minutes before the other person which may ruin the MP experience for some.

Originally Posted by foxfire667

Having players locked in the same rate (assuming above 1.0, because if people can win matches currently with rates below 1.0 that is just lol) would just bring it back to where it was before. "I want to play this easy file", "I'll play, but it will only be fun on 1.5 for me", "I can't play this on 1.5 it would be too hard", "guess we can't play then because it won't be fun for either of us".

So basically it goes back to restricting players from playing with eachother (assuming they want to play files around their skill range, which most usually do). MP is already usually dead, so it needs any life support it can get really.

point in question isn't flawless either

[benguino]

After reading foxfire's post, I think the arguments against having locked-in rates have more ground than the arguments for it. I was just trying to qualify the other position...you guys are quick to bash any position that isn't yours and assume your opponent is retarded.

[Tim Allen]

Originally Posted by halfstep

edit: Wrong thread rofl (clap)

showing off rude double elitist

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

After reading foxfire's post, I think the arguments against having locked-in rates have more ground than the arguments for it. I was just trying to qualify the other position...you guys are quick to bash any position that isn't yours and assume your opponent is retarded.

i never assumed that, i was simply pointing out that one of the big counterarguments to your point was already posted, and you didn't really address that when stating your point.

i think it would be greatly appreciated that this stay a discussion without people getting offended about it.

sorry if my post came across overly as "you're dumb and so is your argument"

[benguino]

I wasn't referring to you, yoshl. In fact, I made my post before even reading what you said lmfao (I've been ninja'd a few times in this thread already). I was stating that based on many of the posts seen in the first page of this thread (I'm not going to point any of them out specifically).

EDIT: The counter argument still doesn't eliminate the fact that having to wait around isn't fun for the person that has to wait. In either case. So regardless if rates are locked-in or not, it's not going to make a happy camper for everybody.

[foxfire667]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

Well, there is one valid point the OP made. If two people play in different rates, then one will surely finish before the other. And if it's a very long song that is being played, it is possible for one person to finish several minutes before the other person which may ruin the MP experience for some.

I haven't played MP in ages, but if I recall, you can see your opponent's PA as you're playing the song iirc? If that's the case, then the issue that rates have is that one person will be progressing through the song at a faster rate, so comparing your pa with the other person's as you are playing the song is somewhat worthless because you are comparing PA at two different points in the chart.

In response to the first point, I suppose that would be a problem if a person was forced to wait for several minutes when they didn't want to every time they played a file with someone, but that is simply not the case. The person who would be waiting here would be the one who specifically decided to increase the rate of the file, not the one playing on normal speed. This means that waiting for a player to finish would be a completely voluntary action, and if they didn't want to do it, they wouldn't. Also generally speaking, rates don't shave a song down to nearly nothing, I couldn't imagine players losing little more than 30 seconds on typical plays (not like 8+ minute files on crazy rates or anything). It is a little wait at times sure, but considering the general state of MP I would say it's significantly better than playing nothing at all with anyone.

In regards to viewing their PA, if I recall older engines allowed you to see the opponent's PA/arrows if you wanted, but it actually hindered play a bit by off-centering your receptors and showing two sets of the same song. I was more than happy to not have this feature active, and the general consensus I got when I told people in the past they could even mask the arrows in legacy was very positive. So basically, seeing people progress through the song at a faster rate shouldn't be much of an issue, because people seem to much prefer the single player format while playing with someone online. Sure they like to talk and compare results, but to see two sets of arrows and their respective PA's is not exactly an amazing feature that gets tons of use.

[YoshL]

Originally Posted by reuben_tate

I wasn't referring to you, yoshl. In fact, I made my post before even reading what you said lmfao (I've been ninja'd a few times in this thread already). I was stating that based on many of the posts seen in the first page of this thread (I'm not going to point any of them out specifically).

EDIT: The counter argument still doesn't eliminate the fact that having to wait around isn't fun for the person that has to wait. In either case. So regardless if rates are locked-in or not, it's not going to make a happy camper for everybody.

wait, can you clarify one bit?

the person playing on rates will most likely be the higher level player. I personally don't see why i would mind waiting for a lower skill player to finish if i was using the rates? idk

[L.B.D.D]

n1c3

[Rapta]

Originally Posted by YoshL

wait, can you clarify one bit?

the person playing on rates will most likely be the higher level player. I personally don't see why i would mind waiting for a lower skill player to finish if i was using the rates? idk

When I play Mp, a majority of the lower skilled players I play seem to use Rates. When someone finishes before me, I really don't have the drive to keep going. I'm not sure if I am completely impatient or I just like the competition staying close all the time. I would change my rate to match if I were able to, but it doesn't work with Flash 9, and Flash 9 is the only version that works for me on Standalone.

[Wayward Vagabond]

rates ruined dubstep

[ilikexd]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

rates ruined dubstep

>Implying Dubstep could be Ruined

[PrawnSkunk]

Originally Posted by Wayward Vagabond

rates ruined dubstep

if it's not 140bpm, it's not music.

[Coolboyrulez0]

borgore permission pls