jTWG LXXIII: An Excursion to Zimbabwe

[_Zenith_]

Okay welp

I want to redact what I said earlier because Riot is literally saying what I just said and it's creeping me the fuck out

Just the way Gradiant has been when he was here didn't sit right with me but he's probably town.

[choof]

charu - after rereading his posts thus far I actually believe that charu is town

riot - I've already stated my thoughts on riotpolice, he brought attention to a blatant fake claim after stating multiple times that he wanted to shitpost, imo this shows that he was role hunting, and now he's bluffing about a claim on d1? I think we should push him to at least L-1 (so 4 votes) to see what happens
to see if he claims, and to see if anyone lynches him

choof - I'm town

gs - early "lost in the sauce" town vibe coming from gs but with the small prods he's put on zenith, he's more null than town, however I will say that I liked his reads, it shows that he's at least putting effort into the game

zenith - I was actually going to put a strong green lean on zenith but his most recent post (reaction to Charu) makes me go ?????

gradiant, tiloco, lurker, ck - there is a wolf somewhere in this group, I don't think there's anything in this group that could be used to make a ranked suspicions list

ie they're all null and if riot is not a good lynch, one of these four are

[choof]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Okay welp

I want to redact what I said earlier because Riot is literally saying what I just said and it's creeping me the fuck out

Just the way Gradiant has been when he was here didn't sit right with me but he's probably town.

don't redact shit
if you get called out, imo a really good way to score some town points is to post your step-by-step thought processes on how you came to a conclusion

even if going through your thought processes makes that conclusion totally null and void, it's better to tell the town that you're wrong before someone else tells you you're wrong

[choof]

aka zenith I'm going to write up thoughts on the post that charu just quoted and if I post them before you do I will push a wagon on you

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by choof

choof - I'm town

ok

[choof]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

ok

great job convincing me otherwise

[gold stinger]

yeah no problem mate, it was rough making a decision between you and riot

[choof]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Seriously though if Riot lynch happens and he flips wolf then I would probably push for Gradiant/Charu fmpov

based on what? there is nothing in gradiant's post history that would condemn him if riot flips red. charu would be feasible but if you're thinking that charu is bussing, I would technically be a better target than charu.

If Riot is actually the PR then I would follow him this phase, see what the lynch flips.

if riot hard claims anything and is not counter-claimed, we don't lynch him
but would that give his reads priority over everyone else's? you already called me town, would you follow riot if he builds a case on me? what if the case was on charu? on you?

If lynch flips red then Riot is PR, if lynch flips green then I would call BS on Riot.

these would probably not be related in any way
it would also depend on what riot claims

if riot claims, and we lynch a red, but riot doesn't get night-killed, what would you like to see on day 2? if riot claims, we lynch a green, and riot gets night-killed, would you still call bs on riot?

[Charu]

Hmph, I'm just gonna throw it out there, but I think both Zenith and Riot are town here just due to pure meta I have on them.

That's all it is though, is meta.

It's too bad Riot had to go and throw up shit. Seriously dude, not the smartest move in the world and I will bash you for it, yes.

If I want to be logical about it though, I guess this is where I become useful, here goes.

See, if Riot is a wolf, I believe someone already mentioned this, but it's a pretty bad tradeoff to announce you're a PR just to get the real PR to counter claim. You're not helping your partner out in this situation, you're throwing the game away super early essentially.

However

If Riot is a human, it's still a bad play, but town has this big ol' ???????? to deal with and makes the wolves time figuring out who to kill at night much more easier. You screwed yourself and the entire town because, as town, we need our PR's not to target eachother, which is probably what's going to happen because of your blunder. Essentially, Riotpolice, your important role, if you have it, is now void and town loses a means to collect info for next day phase.

I say it's policy to lynch you now.

[Charu]

Riotpolice

We don't need a bad data point.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by Gradiant

of course. The only things to come out of this is if riot is a wolf, the other wolf played with riot before, thinks they're shit, and is gonna bus (the bussing possibility why I'm not writing Charu off. He's shown he doesn't care about the number of wolves left in his team when he busses his partners, because it's happened to me the last two times I was wolf with him (salmonella and smash bros.)) OR, lmao, riot thinks he's a lost cause and wants to out a pr early if he knows his partner can handle themselves (which is dumb and even less likely). I will say I think Riot is stupid, but I don't want to vote him because of his mess. He's not 100% wolf because of this but this is a pretty bad town move.

So where we at now, is Charu a wolf with this meta reasoning?

[gold stinger]

The possibility of Charu forcing the lynch before riot will or won't share info at EoD, to prevent his own possibly lynch is strong.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

So where we at now, is Charu a wolf with this meta reasoning?

Bring it, Lugia-breath.

[Charu]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

The possibility of Charu forcing the lynch before riot will or won't share info at EoD, to prevent his own possibly lynch is strong.

I'm following choof's "putting Riot to L-1" plan because if he does claim an important, role, there's a very small chance he can still be useful.

But as of right now, he's a bad data point that needs to be taken out of the equation.

[lurker]

Hey guys, just gotta get up to date.

[gold stinger]

mm, yeah, you got me. Bad call on my part. Was just intrigued as to why you may be speeding up your own lynch in this case if he does reveal a role (which he has been so persistent on, and pretty much given up by now).

There's tons of people that want to fearkill on you, including riot & choof. It would probably be an insta.

[gold stinger]

probably, unless it rocks back onto someone else if some other person is in mind

[gold stinger]

Would still like to hear a follow-up to Gradiant's meta on Charu though.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by choof

based on what? there is nothing in gradiant's post history that would condemn him if riot flips red. charu would be feasible but if you're thinking that charu is bussing, I would technically be a better target than charu.



if riot hard claims anything and is not counter-claimed, we don't lynch him
but would that give his reads priority over everyone else's? you already called me town, would you follow riot if he builds a case on me? what if the case was on charu? on you?



these would probably not be related in any way
it would also depend on what riot claims

if riot claims, and we lynch a red, but riot doesn't get night-killed, what would you like to see on day 2? if riot claims, we lynch a green, and riot gets night-killed, would you still call bs on riot?

I don't think Charu is bussing but I mean you can't clear anyone as of right now so I'm more going on guts when I say Gradiant/Charu as my next target. I mean, I'd have to see more of what they say and reread again.

At this point he probably isn't going to claim anything because people wouldn't take the claim seriously. Realistically he could only claim one of the roles because outing the other would be such a bad play and literally hand wolves a free PR snack during the night; if we don't lynch him that is. Also I'm still pretty safe on the fact you're green but who knows; there is still more reading to be done.

I'd really like to see Riot be a wolf and we get a successful Day One lynch putting the remaining wolf at a huge disadvantage. I keep rethinking the situation in my head and to be perfectly honest, the most realistic situation I could see is that Riot is absolutely bullshitting us by claiming PR when he's actually just a VT and/or roleswapping with the actual PR.

If we ML a green today, we'll have to be more careful tomorrow about town's thought process.

[Charu]

Not take his claim seriously?

Dude.

This game has confirmed roles in its setup. There is no "what-if's" about someone claiming.

It's either they are or they're not. Lying in this setup with cardflips on is borderline retarded.

It might even go past the border to be honest