ymotohciD :daerhT emaG 002 GWT

[Charu]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

Can wolves just not choose a target for nightkill and decide to kill no one? Or is it picked randomly if wolves don't choose

Because I haven't played wolf in so long that I legitimately don't know

It depends on the game. Some games wolves can absolutely abstain their KP. In some others, they HAVE to choose, no matter what.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by Charu

It depends on the game. Some games wolves can absolutely abstain their KP. In some others, they HAVE to choose, no matter what.

How much would you hedge a bet between option a & option b that I listed earlier

[Charu]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

How much would you hedge a bet between option a & option b that I listed earlier

I think, just for fairness, your B wins me over than a wolf being able to hold their KP in whatever setup this is.

Like I said, I'm basing this solely on the fact town has to vote someone out.

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by Charu

I think, just for fairness, your B wins me over than a wolf being able to hold their KP in whatever setup this is.

Like I said, I'm basing this solely on the fact town has to vote someone out.

aite, cool.

In that case, same hedged bet, sunfan didn't mention at the beginning of this phase that 'Town or mafia has lost and the game is over'.

Would you suggest that either a) it's worded that way because in the timeline it's not the end of the game (or the start) or b) there's a wolf in Charu/DB P/roundbox given the prior assessment that everyone else is town?

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by gold stinger

How much would you hedge a bet between option a & option b that I listed earlier

option A cannot happen, dude
it says in the OP no kill is set to "off"

if a kp doesn't submit, it gets randed

[Charu]

Originally Posted by roundbox

option A cannot happen, dude
it says in the OP no kill is set to "off"

if a kp doesn't submit, it gets randed

Wha-

*looks at the OP*

Jesus fucking christ.

Please just tell me to reread the setup, fucking hell.

[roundbox]

ok, it might not be ~THE SOLVE~, but it sounded good in my head

what if this thread is just voting which people get flipped? what if we're just here to give information to the main game?

Gold Stinger is "alive", but his colour has been revealed. Maybe this is a fake dual setup where the dead get to choose who flips once a day? this would mean the main game would have to work in overdrive to get the wolves since they're essentially playing with very few cardflips if this is true

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by roundbox

what if this thread is just voting which people get flipped? what if we're just here to give information to the main game?

Gold Stinger is "alive", but his colour has been revealed. Maybe this is a fake dual setup where the dead get to choose who flips once a day? this would mean the main game would have to work in overdrive to get the wolves since they're essentially playing with very few cardflips if this is true

Except that it was explicitly stated that everyone currently in this game still has the same roles as the previous game. What's the point of wolves/3p in a setup like that after they go to this game, but have their kill power/night actions still?

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by roundbox

ok, it might not be ~THE SOLVE~, but it sounded good in my head

what if this thread is just voting which people get flipped? what if we're just here to give information to the main game?

Gold Stinger is "alive", but his colour has been revealed. Maybe this is a fake dual setup where the dead get to choose who flips once a day? this would mean the main game would have to work in overdrive to get the wolves since they're essentially playing with very few cardflips if this is true

given the fact that blind's power worked in the main game, there might be some truth in this statement, but I'm not putting all of my money on it

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by roundbox

ok, it might not be ~THE SOLVE~, but it sounded good in my head

what if this thread is just voting which people get flipped? what if we're just here to give information to the main game?

Gold Stinger is "alive", but his colour has been revealed. Maybe this is a fake dual setup where the dead get to choose who flips once a day? this would mean the main game would have to work in overdrive to get the wolves since they're essentially playing with very few cardflips if this is true

I think there is some truth to this

Our objective is to just "flip" all of the wolves here, I guess

Either we are purely in a support capacity for the first game, or we have our own win condition that is solely: flip all of the wolves before we reach """parity""", whatever that means here

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

we are purely in a support capacity for the first game

I kinda think this is what's happening right now

With no "deaths" in the night, and Gold Stinger "not dying", I don't think ANY of us actually CAN die. We are stuck here, and our job is to perform cardflips to help out the "main game."

We are in a reverse game. Think about what that means for a moment:

Time is flowing backwards. We cannot "kill" people here, because that means deleting a player "from the past" of this game. That is: a player dying here would mean that we delete them from earlier in the game.

Yesterday, you lynched Gold Stinger, but you could not "kill" him... because that would mean killing Gold Stinger before "the game even started."

Players can ENTER this game, because that just represents that "these three players USED to be in this game, but EVENTUALLY GET NIGHTKILLED" in the forward-flow of linear time.

If you imagine the "un-reversed" version of this game, then we are currently at Day X. With 8 players. "Some player" will be lynched today ("storn"). Then, "three players" will be nightkilled ("Charu, DBP, and roundbox"). Then, the game enters Day X+1, with only 4 players next (GS, star-crossed, Subaru, and blind).

"Our game" is not even a game. It is a "reversed" play-back of some other imaginary game. We actually cannot directly take any actions that interrupt this play-back, because it would mean we are changing the past of a game that already happened.

-----------------------

For you programmers out there, consider the "stack" data structure. This game is just a stack, wherein sunfan is pushing previous game-states onto this stack. As sunfan said at the very beginning...... "this game has ended already."

This second game, when TWG 200, Game 1 ends, will just be what you see when you hit the "rewind" button at the season finale of this "imaginary TWG 200" game.

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I kinda think this is what's happening right now

With no "deaths" in the night, and Gold Stinger "not dying", I don't think ANY of us actually CAN die. We are stuck here, and our job is to perform cardflips to help out the "main game."

We are in a reverse game. Think about what that means for a moment:

Time is flowing backwards. We cannot "kill" people here, because that means deleting a player "from the past" of this game. That is: a player dying here would mean that we delete them from earlier in the game.

Yesterday, you lynched Gold Stinger, but you could not "kill" him... because that would mean killing Gold Stinger before "the game even started."

Players can ENTER this game, because that just represents that "these three players USED to be in this game, but EVENTUALLY GET NIGHTKILLED" in the forward-flow of linear time.

If you imagine the "un-reversed" version of this game, then we are currently at Day X. With 8 players. "Some player" will be lynched today ("storn"). Then, "three players" will be nightkilled ("Charu, DBP, and roundbox"). Then, the game enters Day X+1, with only 4 players next (GS, star-crossed, Subaru, and blind).

"Our game" is not even a game. It is a "reversed" play-back of some other imaginary game. We actually cannot directly take any actions that interrupt this play-back, because it would mean we are changing the past of a game that already happened.

-----------------------

For you programmers out there, consider the "stack" data structure. This game is just a stack, wherein sunfan is pushing previous game-states onto this stack. As sunfan said at the very beginning...... "this game has ended already."

This second game, when TWG 200, Game 1 ends, will just be what you see when you hit the "rewind" button at the season finale of this "imaginary TWG 200" game.

quoting again because bottom-paged

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

I kinda think this is what's happening right now

With no "deaths" in the night, and Gold Stinger "not dying", I don't think ANY of us actually CAN die. We are stuck here, and our job is to perform cardflips to help out the "main game."

We are in a reverse game. Think about what that means for a moment:

Time is flowing backwards. We cannot "kill" people here, because that means deleting a player "from the past" of this game. That is: a player dying here would mean that we delete them from earlier in the game.

Yesterday, you lynched Gold Stinger, but you could not "kill" him... because that would mean killing Gold Stinger before "the game even started."

Players can ENTER this game, because that just represents that "these three players USED to be in this game, but EVENTUALLY GET NIGHTKILLED" in the forward-flow of linear time.

If you imagine the "un-reversed" version of this game, then we are currently at Day X. With 8 players. "Some player" will be lynched today ("storn"). Then, "three players" will be nightkilled ("Charu, DBP, and roundbox"). Then, the game enters Day X+1, with only 4 players next (GS, star-crossed, Subaru, and blind).

"Our game" is not even a game. It is a "reversed" play-back of some other imaginary game. We actually cannot directly take any actions that interrupt this play-back, because it would mean we are changing the past of a game that already happened.

-----------------------

For you programmers out there, consider the "stack" data structure. This game is just a stack, wherein sunfan is pushing previous game-states onto this stack. As sunfan said at the very beginning...... "this game has ended already."

This second game, when TWG 200, Game 1 ends, will just be what you see when you hit the "rewind" button at the season finale of this "imaginary TWG 200" game.

This kind of makes sense to me, but it also does not. I will try to articulate why. If it is meant to be in reverse, then that partly explains why it started with sun fan's announcement and why we do not know what day gold stinger died. But, if it is in reverse, shouldn't logo have replaced me technically? Because logo had the slot in the future, if we are now in the past. Also, if people never really stop posting or voting, then I do not know what stops a flipped wolf from ruining this thread, as you pointed out.

[Charu]

Crack theory

This is actually the post-game thread.

[gold stinger]

Specifically in this setup, with 26 players

[Charu]

@ FreezinIce

Bruh... you were ignoring?

Come on, it's not that much harder to pay attention to two threads.

[SubaruPoptart]

Funnygurl555

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

game's still over in the second thread so i'm assuming everyone's either town or 3p

This is what I'm thinkin hardcore. If Goldstinger greenflipped that is almost 100% proof that there were all town-aligned in the initial four. I am a VT, I don't know anything about star's slot, but like I've been saying I'm pretty sure the fact that Blind being a pretty convincing (to me) PR implies that Star would also be a town of some sort.

[roundbox]

I wrote about this earlier, GS, where if option B is true, that seems TOO easy to solve
would you agree that it makes deduction piss-easy if one KP is added to the game? it gives only a handful of suspects, which is kinda unfair to the KP realistically

[SubaruPoptart]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I wrote about this earlier, GS, where if option B is true, that seems TOO easy to solve
would you agree that it makes deduction piss-easy if one KP is added to the game? it gives only a handful of suspects, which is kinda unfair to the KP realistically

btw what is a KP, I'm guessing kill-pile but

[gold stinger]

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart

btw what is a KP, I'm guessing kill-pile but

kill power.

Any ability from any role that can kill a player.