08-22-2015, 10:56 PM | #201 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
Yeah, so... You're still just stating what I said.. so I don't know if I need to clarify still. I was defending MinaciousGrace.
FFR gets criticized by the Stepmania community all the time by not having good enough variety, and sometimes crappy files are still fun to play and make you better at the game. If we don't host the files people want to play, they'll find them elsewhere, or, in the case of FFRmania, mod the game so that those files can be played.
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08-22-2015, 10:59 PM | #202 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
You're going into OWA's idea of increasing the difficulty spectrum. He is aware of players moving on to games like osumania or playing harder songs in Stepmania. Look back at this post he made.
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08-22-2015, 11:00 PM | #203 |
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08-22-2015, 11:04 PM | #204 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
What are some suggestions you have? You've stated in three posts that the batch system is inefficient but still haven't proposed a direction to take it. This was never a competition, I'm just trying to see what you wanted to add.
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08-22-2015, 11:04 PM | #205 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
About the batch/queue being stuck, here's the idea :
1. Create a new small engine that any users can upload their simfiles (make someone review them before to check if they have permission - or create an automatic system if you have the courage to) 2. Only veterans will have access to this engine, they can play each files and give a note on the files they like (or add comments if they see something that can be improved), scores are not counted 3. Take the 3-4 best files every week or keep the best ones for tournaments What this will do... -No limit on batches anymore -A larger variety of files -Give a meaning to the veteran title and involve them into the batch process -Encourage people to actually be interested in getting the veteran title -Plus a lot more I'm not thinking right now... Also, people won't be able to create 50 accounts to upvote their submissions because of the veteran title thing.
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Re: What's happening in here?
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Also, it's kind of unfair you're the only one left to talk Dossar, I really don't expect you to have all the answers. EDIT: not bad noname, although the whole creating a new engine thing is iffy
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08-22-2015, 11:10 PM | #207 |
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08-22-2015, 11:13 PM | #208 | |
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only downside to it is -some vets may not take it so seriously -might be too much privilege for vets to be able to play files before others (though it's not like we release the charts a week after getting votes in) (we can also have the testing open for a week, every week. So it'll be two songs added in game. And two new songs to test or something) edit: It doesnt have to be a final say in what gets in the game, but it can help wash out the bad files from the good. making the workload for the advanced judging team easier. So, as you said, it gets the community more involved and feel just that much more needed/important in the future of FFR WITHOUT the added pressure of being an admin.
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08-22-2015, 11:21 PM | #209 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
What you are describing is more or less the Osu system, with the alternate engine being for "unranked" files which are then "ranked" by certain privileged users before being put into the main game and having scoreboards associated with them, etc.
This system is not without its own drawbacks.
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08-22-2015, 11:23 PM | #210 | |
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I mean sure, I have put hundred of hours into this, probably more than the total amount of time I've actually played FFR, but believe me, I would have stop as soon as I knew that things would never change. The only thing that bothers me will be the moment to implement those corrections; from my point of view, I'm the best qualified here to modify the song list because I know more than anyone what changes needs to be done in the song list. I just need a few more inputs for missing information, I'll list those when I get to it (will drop them in the song corrections thread) and ask to a few users/musicians directly.
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08-22-2015, 11:26 PM | #211 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
The FFR Wiki is, ironically, probably the best-run part of the site.
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edit: It isn't technically part of the site, that's why it runs well.
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08-22-2015, 11:40 PM | #213 | |
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Re: What's happening in here?
After reading every post here, this is what I've gathered. This is just coming from a regular user who has no idea about any admin/staffing info. I've probably missed a few things but these seem to be the main topics.
PROBLEMS - Lack of communication between staff (this one is huge). - Lack of communication to the community as a whole. - Staff not listening to idea's/projects/feedback from other staff (most of lower ranks). - No staff taking initiative. - Population of the site slowly diminishing. - New users either come and go within a few sessions of playing or just don't come around at all. - FFRs legal standings towards song permissions. - Non-staff users becoming increasingly frustrated at the way the site is being handled and the direction of FFR. - No new content as of lately. - Songs/files needing extensive inspection before they are released causing major delays for files in the queue. - Staff not knowing what stage current projects are at. - No OT (for the first time in 10 years?) POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS - "Fire" all staff and reassign all staff positions via staff applications. - "Fire" inactive/lazy/unmotivated staff and reassign the missing positions via staff applications. - Interchange staff positions between a select number of users who are available at only certain times of the year. - Shared roles of leadership, if possible, people in different time zones. - Hire new (active) staff on top of the existing staff. - Pay staff members to do their job. - Pay ONLY head roles of staffing area's to keep everyone else in line. - Look outside of the FFR community for devs/admins/mods to help with the progress of the site. - Someone steps up and takes on the role of lead supervisor (who will look over all staffing roles and make sure all area's are up to date and keeping communication between these groups active). - Create a communication method for all staff members to EASILY access and leave messages or feedback to one another. This SLACK program clearly isn't working. What was wrong with Skype? - Release FFR to steam/kongregate/other free game hosting sites. - Bring back micro-transactions for skins/songs/events/merchandise. Nothing that gives you an advantage in-game towards scores. - Hold fundraiser events. - Advertising (Don't know where and with what money). - An osu-like system for trialing new songs (personally, I think this is great). Or a new genre in the game that's only available to Vets+. - Bring back the changelog or something similar. I think the most important question was asked by HeZe on the second page: Quote:
- When they need to become inactive - Discuss projects - Important messages to all staff - An area which regular users can post to but only staff can see all posts (such as suspicious scores or bots or other questionable things) I dunno if I'm making much sense, I'm just gathering idea's from various other sites I've used over the years and how they worked. Most seems to work much better than what's currently in place here.
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08-22-2015, 11:41 PM | #214 | |
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[Veteran Testing Engine] - probably just gonna be the same as the current engine but doesn't record anything, only showcases pending batch charts. I know there are plenty "personal" FFR engines some members and "Teams" use already so we can just make another one of those to display the charts. [Veteran Testing Thread (Only accessible to Veterans)] - to post comments/complaints/likes/etc just like the usual weekly threads we have already. we'll prolly think of some other things along the way. and if it dont work out then it's easy to scrap i believe. I do really want a voting system implemented for every chart. So instead of only having "FFR's TOP PLAYED SONGS" it will have "HIGHEST RATED SONGS" as well. And we can also use it in-game to sort charts from low-high ratings. But that would mean more work to do for our coders. this is ofcourse AFTER we smooth out the 'communication/leadership/who takes charge/ volunteer dilemma and all the other small problems we got
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08-22-2015, 11:48 PM | #215 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
I want to preface this post by saying that I do not wish to start a debate about downvotes in this thread. My question is directed towards anybody who was involved in the decision process which led to the removal of the downvote. I know this is off topic and not a priority for most people, but I am curious how the decision to remove downvotes from profiles was reached. Apparently, Synthlight wasnt aware that they were even removed. I am curious who made this decision, and why the code was changed to remove downvotes. I would suggest bringing downvotes back. If anybody who was a part of that decision could come forth and provide some answers, I would be appreciative.
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08-22-2015, 11:57 PM | #216 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
Favoritism of certain stepping styles/difficulties/stepartists among the veterans (BAT/BNG team on osu), where the opinions are not necessarily shared by the rest of the userbase.
The sheer number of submissions relative to how many get reviewed. And, finally, somewhat ironically, the volunteer aspect itself. Osu has similar same issues as FFR motivating people to give a fuck about reviewing files. Inactive reviewers get cycled through just the same as FFR.
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08-23-2015, 12:17 AM | #219 | |
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If there is a way to lock the testing thread though, and to have prerequisites of completing and rating the weekly/daily/monthly/whgatever testing files to access the thread so there is no influence then that's another solution to the bias ratings. if it's at all possible and if we even need to. I'll edit this or just make another reply to show my thoughts on the other concerns @Noname. yes @crazy. also yes
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08-23-2015, 01:11 AM | #220 |
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Re: What's happening in here?
I'm seeing a lot of healthy speculation in this thread.
Who is going to code it? Ideas are cheap.
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