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Old 11-7-2006, 12:52 AM   #81
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To put it simply: People don't like to question their own beliefs. Some do, however, the vast majority finds offense in it.
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Old 11-7-2006, 01:43 AM   #82
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To Christians who converted- Do you still have a feeling you are wrong about your conversions? The main religions in this world all branched off from Christianity. It was made by people who thought God wasn't enough for them, so they create their own. Christianity is the oldest religon out there, and it has more evidence than the rest that it is the true religion. Haven't you read teh Bible stories? That was before Jesus was even born, and yet, peopled believe in God.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam all share the same historical lineage (Abraham). Judaism is the oldest of the three, followed by Christianity and Islam. Jesus was a Jewish rabbi and taught from the Torah. The torah is also used in all three religions. Zoroastrianism has influenced Christianity and Islam and to a lesser extent Judaism.

Hinduism is the world's oldest religion and has influenced every other world religion, Eastern and Western.

I believe religion is just an evolutionary survival by-product.
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Old 11-7-2006, 04:55 AM   #83
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Let's all be Mormons! I am!
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Old 11-7-2006, 07:34 AM   #84
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Old 11-7-2006, 11:40 AM   #85
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Every day at night i think about everything. I ultimatly came to the conclussion that organized religion is not what you believe its what your religion belives which makes it worthless. So i quit. All at once.
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Old 11-7-2006, 07:47 PM   #86
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To be honest. I never really was raised religiously, as in, i never did go to church. However, as my life progressed, I started questioning religion together. How can people believe in something that they have no proof of. Like for instance. Buddhism, thats a religion. Buddhism is an invention. Siddharta Guatama said some things that motivated people, and therefore had a "religion". Religion is just a group of people who share beliefs, however, the beliefs that they choose to accept sometimes have no historical proof, as well as breaking laws of physics.


My nonacceptance of religion started when I was in 7th grade and read a Michael Chichton book by the name of Timeline. Using theorys and quotes from the book, it gave me something that was proven in tests and studies. So, I went with it because it made sense to me. My personal belief of religion is that it is a man made invention to take the sting out of death, to give them something to look forward after their life and not to worry about something that will happen to everyone .. death. I do ocassionally get into heated arguments about this topic. Religion in itself is a touchy topic. Many people get pissed off when you question something that they have held dear to them almost their entire lives. I choose to view life differently than a lot of people do. Most of the reasons why I have chosen to become non-religious (I hate using the word athiest because of how people percieve that nowadays) are really complicated and proven reasons. Most people are either 1) Not smart enough to comprehend/understand my viewpoints, or 2) Dismiss it as hogwash because of the fact it is questioning their faiths/beliefs..


Its an explanation that many people use to explain the unexplainable. They do not know for themselves what will happen or how the world happened. But you have to think about this. Life in itself.. as in, what else is out there? There is soo much space in the universe! What if the life we percieve is a dream/a virtual reality? Nobody knows and there is absolutely no proven reason. Religion is a theroy about how life began, among many other theories as well. An attempt to explain the absolute unexplainable.

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Old 11-13-2006, 04:47 AM   #87
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I was never really raised a certain religion... my parents tried to drag me to church on easter and chirstmas but that didn't amount to much.

I'm very much an adamant atheist now, and - from my point of view - atheism is just as much a religion as christianity. There's no mythos, no history or no real worship... but there is faith. I have faith that there is no god(s), no afterlife, no spirits, no sins... and there's really no absolute true way to confirm those facts.

Actually, if you get right down to it... I have to have more faith in my atheism than christians do in their christianity... if they're wrong, when they die it's no biggy, just *poof* no afterlife for you. If I'm wrong though..... I'm gonna need some serious A/C.

As for the reason I'm atheist... the gaps in religion as pointed out previously (historical innacuracies, lack of credible evidence, logical catch-22's concerning free will and divine plans, or an all-good, all-powerful, all-loving god that still allows evil to exist) But also literature, Paradise Lost, for example. Also a play called J.B. (based on the book of Job), very interesting perspectives on the motivations and psyche of Lucifer.... who I find to be a very interesting character in christian mythology.

Ultimately though, religion is a deeply personal concept. And if you have well-placed faith in something that you have tested and truly believe in, something that isn't blind faith but feels right to you... I really can't prove you wrong, and as long as faith is kept a private thing and doesn't cause strife, I have no problem with whatever you might believe.

Now if only if differences in faith DIDN'T cause problems. Which, I think, is a result of people taking faith in the public arena.... organized religion.
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Old 11-13-2006, 04:55 AM   #88
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It's absolutely, utterly amazing to me how similar everyone's thoughts are on the subject.

One might say brainwashed, in this case by society. Just as society more or less put it on people to worship a religion during periods of human history, it now tends to push people away from believing in a higher power.

It's saddening that we cannot have unique thought. C'est la vie, eh?
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Old 11-13-2006, 06:24 AM   #89
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I will throw another idea out there relating to Adam and Eve.

If they were the first humans and they seeded humanity, then who did their kids have kids with? Incest? Isn't incest a sin in the Christian religion?
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:23 AM   #90
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It's absolutely, utterly amazing to me how similar everyone's thoughts are on the subject.

One might say brainwashed, in this case by society. Just as society more or less put it on people to worship a religion during periods of human history, it now tends to push people away from believing in a higher power.

It's saddening that we cannot have unique thought. C'est la vie, eh?
You got us there.

It's impossible for two dozen people to think the same thing. Gosh.

Just like it's impossible for six billion people to believe in gravity. WE'RE ALL THINKING THE SAME THING! CONSPIRACY!
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Old 11-13-2006, 10:34 AM   #91
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There's only so many ways to leave the church. What do you expect? "And one day I decided to herd sheep into the chapel while I lit it on fire, to then invented my own religion"...? And just because we all classify as atheist does not necessarily mean we believe in the same things entirely, it just means we share a common acknowledgement that there are no entities that govern this world.

It seems like stereotyping to say "Oh you atheists have no unique thoughts!" Oh really? Just like, you religious people are all fanatical lunatics like the people on borat.

I mean comeon now.
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Old 11-13-2006, 01:47 PM   #92
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I will throw another idea out there relating to Adam and Eve.

If they were the first humans and they seeded humanity, then who did their kids have kids with? Incest? Isn't incest a sin in the Christian religion?
You almost logically answered you own question.

Incest? yes.

Incest breaking a Christian law? yes

But Adam and Eve weren't under a christian law system, (nor the Mosiac law for the matter) so incest wasn't something that was bad at that time.
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Old 11-13-2006, 01:58 PM   #93
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There's only so many ways to leave the church. What do you expect? "And one day I decided to herd sheep into the chapel while I lit it on fire, to then invented my own religion"...? And just because we all classify as atheist does not necessarily mean we believe in the same things entirely, it just means we share a common acknowledgement that there are no entities that govern this world.

It seems like stereotyping to say "Oh you atheists have no unique thoughts!" Oh really? Just like, you religious people are all fanatical lunatics like the people on borat.

I mean comeon now.
No Reach, us Athiests are all the same. Godless fools who all think the same. We have no unique ideas, all we do is sit down and think about God not existing.

However, sometimes we burn children and sacrifice cats to Satan, even though we don't belive he exists. We have no ethics at all, because in order to have ethics we would have to believe in a diety. All we do is sit and follow the herd of other godless athiests.

Duh.
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I will throw another idea out there relating to Adam and Eve.

If they were the first humans and they seeded humanity, then who did their kids have kids with? Incest? Isn't incest a sin in the Christian religion?
Had God or anyone said insest was a sin yet?

Anup~

And they weren't the first humans, since Cain found a wife in the land of Nod.
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Old 11-14-2006, 03:13 AM   #95
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from the lore that I've heard (I can't say I have primary source confirmation of this, it's just my understanding of the story) Cain found Lillith, Adam's first wife, who was also made of dirt - not his rib - and therefore felt she deserved to be equal to Adam, whereas Eve came from Adam and is subjugated to him. Because Lillith wanted to be equal to Adam she was deemed too disloyal and was banished from Eden.

Adam and Eve spawned humans, whereas Cain and Lillith spawned demons.

Or... for the case of Neon Genesis Evangelion, Adam and Eve (Eva) were the angels, and Lillith is the mother of all mankind.
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Old 11-14-2006, 05:29 AM   #96
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I thought you guys already knew it about me that I feel that the vast majority of people in general are pretty unoriginal, myself included.

Relax. It wasn't a dig.
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Old 11-17-2006, 11:54 AM   #97
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You got us there.

It's impossible for two dozen people to think the same thing. Gosh.

Just like it's impossible for six billion people to believe in gravity. WE'RE ALL THINKING THE SAME THING! CONSPIRACY!
One is provable the other isnt.
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Old 11-18-2006, 02:49 AM   #98
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grandia, chill... reach wasn't calling atheists unoriginal. He was being sarcastic.

Also, as for everybody's thoughts being mostly the same... it's better than some pseudo-atheists who only call themselves that because they're angry at god. They can't understand how bad things can happen to good people or another one of those mysteries and blame it on god, and for some reason, feel they'll get even by not believing in god... but they'll still blame him for it.

I don't think it's a bad thing that the methods were all similar, I think that's human nature. Actually, I think it's human nature for all religions in general, the true believers/converts are the ones who don't have a grudge, or any indoctrination. It just feels right, it meshes with your personal worldview and philosophy... all the other reasons and circumstances are icing. I think it's ultimately just because it feels right, and you take it on faith.

As a side note, now that I'm thinking about it, speaking of taking things on faith... I find it very interesting how religions that require a faith in a god or divine spirit need to somehow rationalize the creation of the earth and mankind with a mythos. Anybody else find that odd?
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Look at the crusades.............Enough said......
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One is provable the other isnt.
What is provable now?

You're so vague, I can only assume you mean the lack of proof of God, and therefore it's "provable" he doesn't exist.

So where's your proof?

@ Ghostwriter: What about them? I'm sure if you lived in that time period, you'd have thought nothing of it. There's a lot of things we can't account for in history books about that era. Besides, it is pretty much common conception that the Crusades were political agenda pushed by religious zeal. There was a unifying factor in Europe at the time, that being Catholicism. If you're in charge, and you want to get something done, you have to rely on whatever that unifying factor is. Christianity was not the CAUSE of those wars but merely a casualty of them.
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