North Korea Nuke Tests Successful - Page 4

Nataka · 10-10-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

I said that nobody would put their life on the line in place of someone else. The only time anyone might is if the person were a family member because there's some sort of attachment there. Sometimes.

Learn how to read. And spell. For some reason you just didn't even try on that post.

So everyone in the military kills for fun, I knew America was great fun.

**Squeek** · 10-10-2006, 06:00 PM

They fight for a country. Maybe they fight to protect their family, but that falls under my exception.

You could claim that a country is its people, but to be perfectly honest, they aren't directly putting their life in the line in place of another person's, which is what I'm trying to say.

The situation is "shoot me, not him." Would you?

Afrobean · 10-10-2006, 06:00 PM

Every single act ever done by any human ever is for selfish reasons.

This includes giving your life to save someone else, even when done for someone you don't even know.

Nataka · 10-10-2006, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

Every single act ever done by any human ever is for selfish reasons.

This includes giving your life to save someone else, even when done for someone you don't even know.

Okay, so you say that every act we do is selfish. Now that does not mean that you must be selfish and not care about who dies or not, i'm not personally saying I care and i'm not saying that I don't, but this is how it is.

YungYung · 10-10-2006, 06:21 PM

I still completely disagree with Afro's point of view, but his statement holds true.

Sacrificing your life for the sake of another satisfies your own desires. You're dying in his/her place because you want to. Nobody is forcing you to do it.

That aside, there's also the worship you'd get from other people for having done such an ironically, 'selfless' thing.

**Squeek** · 10-10-2006, 06:30 PM

The fact of the matter is, if you're in a situation where you KNOW exactly one person is going to die out of five people, are YOU going to volunteer your own life for the other four, or will you try your best not to piss off the killer before he chooses his target?

Apply this on a larger scale. Let's say Independence Day's situation happens. Major cities all across the world are targeted by aliens. If you live in the desert, you're horrified at what's going on, but at the same time, YOU ARE SAFE. You're not going to drive into the city now are you?

Again, can you honestly say it's wrong to want to live?

jewpinthethird · 10-10-2006, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

Every single act ever done by any human ever is for selfish reasons.

This includes giving your life to save someone else, even when done for someone you don't even know.

Mother Teresa was a selfish bitch.

ps. Not everyone has the same motives as you, Afro. Don't generalize.

Afrobean · 10-10-2006, 08:13 PM

People who act in selfless ways do it because it makes them feel good about themselves.

That's what's selfish about their acts.

T3hDDRKid · 10-10-2006, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

The situation is "shoot me, not him." Would you?

Though barely any of you are going to believe me..

Yes.

MalReynolds · 10-10-2006, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

People who act in selfless ways do it because it makes them feel good about themselves.

That's what's selfish about their acts.

Or you just think you know everything. I'm leaning towards that.

**Kilgamayan** · 10-10-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

They fight for a country. Maybe they fight to protect their family, but that falls under my exception.

You could claim that a country is its people, but to be perfectly honest, they aren't directly putting their life in the line in place of another person's, which is what I'm trying to say.

Let's say the US Armed Forces don't do anything after Pearl Harbor gets hit. Does the US get out of WWII as unscathed as it did in terms of civilians? I doubt it. It may not be an exact physical juxtaposition, but it's people putting their lives on the line to make sure other people they've never met survive.

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Originally Posted by Squeek

The situation is "shoot me, not him." Would you?

Straw man, but if it makes you feel better, I think most people would say no.

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

Every single act ever done by any human ever is for selfish reasons.

This includes giving your life to save someone else, even when done for someone you don't even know.

There are different kinds of selfish. Don't try to lump them all together.

**Squeek** · 10-10-2006, 09:20 PM

Again, they're defending the country itself. And again, you could say that a country is its people, but my entire point is not the large-scale war situation. It's the hostage situation in a bank in a movie situation. In order to prove their point, the robbers say they're going to kill someone among the people in the bank. And I'm saying that no matter what, unless someone is family, you're not going to jump in front of the bullet or even elect to take it yourself.

I say this because it's exactly the way it is. How many major cities are there in the country? Can any minor cities honestly say "bomb us, not them"? Sure, it would save a lot of lives, but nobody would be willing to do that.

SO YEAH NORTH KOREA WOW THEY MADE NUKES.

**Kilgamayan** · 10-10-2006, 09:27 PM

Then you're arguing a stupid point, as I doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees.

The problem is that, in the case of DPRK creating nukes, your hostage situation analogy doesn't apply, and thus neither does your point. We don't need some random Hicksville, USA town to take a nuclear bullet for Japan or South Korea to stop DPRK from using any nukes they may build in the future on those two countries.

duhh_ · 10-11-2006, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Squeek

I said that nobody would put their life on the line in place of someone else. The only time anyone might is if the person were a family member because there's some sort of attachment there. Sometimes.

Learn how to read. And spell. For some reason you just didn't even try on that post.

u see some little girl wander into the street who u dont know and will likely get hit by a car if someone doesnt do anything, ur saying u would just turn the other way?

how kind.

as for learning to read and spell, if i wanted to take the time, i would run circles around u.

Afrobean · 10-11-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by duhh_

u see some little girl wander into the street who u dont know and will likely get hit by a car if someone doesnt do anything, ur saying u would just turn the other way?

how kind.

That's completely different. Assuming we're talking about a residential street, they aren't that dangerous at all if you're cautious. All you'd have to do is walk out into the street yourself and make the little girl get back onto the sidewalk.

If you're going to be retarded and say she's on a busy main street, well then I'd say said little girl deserves to die for her parents being so careless as to let her.

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Originally Posted by duhh_

as for learning to read and spell, if i wanted to take the time, i would run circles around u.

You're retarded.

kickassbuddy · 10-11-2006, 03:43 PM

i look down at you
and my sig

YungYung · 10-11-2006, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

If you're going to be retarded and say she's on a busy main street, well then I'd say said little girl deserves to die for her parents being so careless as to let her.

You're retarded.

Completely unrelated to the original topic but, the girl deserves to lose her life due to her parents being the careless ones?

You're just as retarded.

jewpinthethird · 10-11-2006, 07:03 PM

Afro, try looking up the definition of selfish sometime.

Afrobean · 10-11-2006, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jewpinthethird

Afro, try looking up the definition of selfish sometime.

"characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself"

Ok, so maybe selfish isn't exactly the right word. The concern or care isn't SOLELY on the self, it is just that the self comes first, and even seemingly selfless acts are done for the self firstly, rather than others.

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Originally Posted by djshox

So where did talking about nukes lead to the debate of selfishness?

Because I said I didn't care about nukes, and I said it was a good idea for them to be able to protect themselves. Others called me selfish, so I countered with something to effect of "everything everyone does is selfish, even selfless acts such as giving your life for another."

YungYung · 10-11-2006, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Afrobean

"characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself"

Ok, so maybe selfish isn't exactly the right word. The concern or care isn't SOLELY on the self, it is just that the self comes first, and even seemingly selfless acts are done for the self firstly, rather than others.

Because I said I didn't care about nukes, and I said it was a good idea for them to be able to protect themselves. Others called me selfish, so I countered with something to effect of "everything everyone does is selfish, even selfless acts such as giving your life for another."

There's a difference between an act that gives self satisfaction, and an actual self benefit wether it be monetary or something else of the sort.

People are not benefiting when sacrificing their lives. They're dying. They might gain the self satisfaction of knowing that they protected another, but calling someone 'selfish' for that thought is retarded.

Why can't you differentiate between the two? I made this post out of my own will in hopes of proving a point, am I selfish for having the desire to do so?

10-10-2006, 06:00 PM	#62
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 14,444	Re: North Korea Nuke Tests Successful They fight for a country. Maybe they fight to protect their family, but that falls under my exception. You could claim that a country is its people, but to be perfectly honest, they aren't directly putting their life in the line in place of another person's, which is what I'm trying to say. The situation is "shoot me, not him." Would you?

10-10-2006, 06:00 PM	#63
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 38 Posts: 13,262	Re: North Korea Nuke Tests Successful Every single act ever done by any human ever is for selfish reasons. This includes giving your life to save someone else, even when done for someone you don't even know. __________________

10-10-2006, 06:21 PM	#65
YungYung FFR Player Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Hi Linus Age: 35 Posts: 810	Re: North Korea Nuke Tests Successful I still completely disagree with Afro's point of view, but his statement holds true. Sacrificing your life for the sake of another satisfies your own desires. You're dying in his/her place because you want to. Nobody is forcing you to do it. That aside, there's also the worship you'd get from other people for having done such an ironically, 'selfless' thing. __________________ clairmai lol hvam lol

10-10-2006, 06:30 PM	#66
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 14,444	Re: North Korea Nuke Tests Successful The fact of the matter is, if you're in a situation where you KNOW exactly one person is going to die out of five people, are YOU going to volunteer your own life for the other four, or will you try your best not to piss off the killer before he chooses his target? Apply this on a larger scale. Let's say Independence Day's situation happens. Major cities all across the world are targeted by aliens. If you live in the desert, you're horrified at what's going on, but at the same time, YOU ARE SAFE. You're not going to drive into the city now are you? Again, can you honestly say it's wrong to want to live?

10-10-2006, 08:13 PM	#68
Afrobean Admiral in the Red Army Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the moon Age: 38 Posts: 13,262	Re: North Korea Nuke Tests Successful People who act in selfless ways do it because it makes them feel good about themselves. That's what's selfish about their acts. __________________

10-10-2006, 09:20 PM	#72
Squeek let it snow~ Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 39 Posts: 14,444	Re: North Korea Nuke Tests Successful Again, they're defending the country itself. And again, you could say that a country is its people, but my entire point is not the large-scale war situation. It's the hostage situation in a bank in a movie situation. In order to prove their point, the robbers say they're going to kill someone among the people in the bank. And I'm saying that no matter what, unless someone is family, you're not going to jump in front of the bullet or even elect to take it yourself. I say this because it's exactly the way it is. How many major cities are there in the country? Can any minor cities honestly say "bomb us, not them"? Sure, it would save a lot of lives, but nobody would be willing to do that. SO YEAH NORTH KOREA WOW THEY MADE NUKES.

10-10-2006, 09:27 PM	#73
Kilgamayan Super Scooter Happy Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Location, Location. Age: 41 Posts: 6,583	Re: North Korea Nuke Tests Successful Then you're arguing a stupid point, as I doubt you'll find anyone who disagrees. The problem is that, in the case of DPRK creating nukes, your hostage situation analogy doesn't apply, and thus neither does your point. We don't need some random Hicksville, USA town to take a nuclear bullet for Japan or South Korea to stop DPRK from using any nukes they may build in the future on those two countries. __________________ I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

10-11-2006, 03:43 PM	#76
kickassbuddy FFR Player Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: UNITIИU Posts: 594	Re: North Korea Nuke Tests Successful i look down at you and my sig __________________

10-11-2006, 07:03 PM	#78
jewpinthethird (The Fat's Sabobah) Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Palm Springs, California Posts: 11,711	Re: North Korea Nuke Tests Successful Afro, try looking up the definition of selfish sometime.

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