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Old 09-29-2006, 12:15 PM   #1
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Default Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

If synth was able to re-sync Klung kung couldn't he re-sync last firstborn too?

Cause that would make last firstborn cool instead of uber offsync gay.
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Old 09-29-2006, 12:44 PM   #2
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

Resyncing Klung was done as a test to find the right offset change for ALL files that are to put in FFR, not just for the sake of resyncing it.

Plus Klung is a new song, so resyncing it doesn't make all the old highscores worthless, like it would if you resynced older songs.

Wait for 3rd Style.
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Old 09-29-2006, 02:59 PM   #3
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Resyncing Klung was done as a test to find the right offset change for ALL files that are to put in FFR, not just for the sake of resyncing it.

Plus Klung is a new song, so resyncing it doesn't make all the old highscores worthless, like it would if you resynced older songs.

Wait for 3rd Style.
To be honest, I don't follow your reasoning. If, as you say, you've found the way to determine the offset on FFR from a dwi file, you could use it on all songs, being them new or otherwise.

So how would changing the gap on an offsync file make its highscores worthless, if the file wasn't even played the way it was supposed to be?

Also, how does appearing on the high score list for some dozen people, some of which don't even play anymore compare to fixing a song for everyone who plays FFR?
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:19 PM   #4
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

People have pride in their scores on offsync songs. If the songs are synced properly, a AAA will be much easier.

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If, as you say, you've found the way to determine the offset on FFR from a dwi file, you could use it on all songs, being them new or otherwise.
No. I'm pretty sure the older songs don't even have dwis (the very first songs) and unless I'm mistaken, if there is a dwi for most of the other older songs, only Synth has them.
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:23 PM   #5
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People have pride in their scores on offsync songs. If the songs are synced properly, a AAA will be much easier.
Screw their pride, if they're so good they should be able to get the same score on the song when its synced up.
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:25 PM   #6
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

-We don't have the original files to resync them.
-HSing offbeat stuff is a skill, so those who have whored out poorly converted songs would get no recognition for their efforts because the lsit would be flooded with easy AAAs.
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Old 09-29-2006, 03:59 PM   #7
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-We don't have the original files to resync them.
I find this very hard to believe, why would the files be deleted after being converted to FFR?
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-HSing offbeat stuff is a skill, so those who have whored out poorly converted songs would get no recognition for their efforts because the lsit would be flooded with easy AAAs.
Again, why should the achievements of a few people be more important than getting the file fixed for everyone? Personally, I can play offsync files just fine (my klung kung pre-sync and silence high scores come to mind), but would enjoy the file a lot more if it was synced properly.
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Old 09-29-2006, 04:19 PM   #8
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

The difference is Last firstborn's steps are all right on the money, but they're a second or more too late. The starting gap is off. It isn't something like funk in g or terror from beyond where you would need to re-step the whole thing. All you would need to do is roll back the music approximatly one second and it would be on sync.
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Old 09-29-2006, 05:07 PM   #9
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

The files will be fixed eventually, but the point is that it's not of pressing importance right now. The reason Klung was resynced was that it was the newest file, and all synced files were coming out a bit off (see Strangeprogram), so we wanted to fix the problem so it wouldn't happen to any of the newer files.

I'll ask Synth about it anyway though. Heck, I certainly wouldn't mind some of the files that just have bad gaps (Last Firstborn, Silence, Wish, Strangeprogram, EHHS, and Lethal Injection off the top of my head) getting fixed pre-3rd style.
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Old 09-29-2006, 05:10 PM   #10
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

So are we talking about gap or badly done converting (like TfB, SSSG, etc)?
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Old 09-29-2006, 05:25 PM   #11
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

Don't know if it is possible... for any of the old files...

For whatever reason, the dwi's ARE missing... and I don't know if it is possible to mess with the syncing without the dwi.

I also don't know which songs are missing the dwi's... aka, how far back it goes.

*shrugs*

And moreso, these files have been the same way for well over 3 years (almost 4 for a lot of them)... vs Klung that was around for 1 week. Don't expect changes to the files that have 300k+ different scores on them to change now.

AND... there are more pressing things for Synth & Crew to work on. Much bigger things. Lots of really cool things... believe me, you'd rather they work on these awesome new things than something small and relatively trivial like re-syncing songs that have been the way they are for almost 4 years.
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Old 09-29-2006, 07:59 PM   #12
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I find this very hard to believe, why would the files be deleted after being converted to FFR?
Because a nameless ex-fiancee was being a stupid **** and deleted them from the computer. It's always been a hope that someone else had my dwi files.
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Old 09-29-2006, 08:27 PM   #13
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Old 09-29-2006, 09:17 PM   #14
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

They need to re-sync silence as well.
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Old 09-29-2006, 09:29 PM   #15
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

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Because a nameless ex-fiancee was being a stupid **** and deleted them from the computer. It's always been a hope that someone else had my dwi files.
I have your Mega Man 2:Dr. Wily Theme #1.

Then again, I imagine lots of people do considering how I got it.

Anyway, I'm sure there is a way to convert the FFR file into a dwi, or at the very least, generate an image of the stepchart which can be used to restep the song from scratch, maintaining the same patterns.
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Old 09-30-2006, 12:22 AM   #16
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

Considering I have a lot of the old offsync files (caprice, uber rave, etc.) it is an absolutely ridiculous excuse to say that you can't resync them because you don't have the originals, also, you could easily transcribe them with the help of a program that records your computer screen.
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Old 09-30-2006, 01:07 AM   #17
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

Uh, no one ever said they would NEVER be fixed, just that they wouldn't be fixed anytime soon, or at least till 3rd style...
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Old 09-30-2006, 09:04 AM   #18
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

I have a bunch of the old song files (as well as a dozen other songs approved for the game that never went anywhere) but no luck on the dwis. If it's not possible to covert FFR to DWI (I'm sure it is), I'd be willing to re-do them (I've gotten better, trust me). But looking at some of the uber-early work I did, it would probably be better to re-do things outright.
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

Isnt it possible to just re-sync something like silence or last firstborn without having to re-step the whole file? like hold the music up for a half a second to conjoin witht he stepchart?
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Old 10-14-2006, 04:34 AM   #20
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Default Re: Klung Kung re-synced! How about last firstborn?

Its possible, but from what I've seen, not worth the time, and, its basically also saying, hey lets set the arrows on party4u to colored, but then no, because of it having a moving BG and it being fairly the same color as the arrows, highscore holders on the some would get mad, like myself. Plus, what Shash said, Klung was new at the time, I'd say that 3-4 weeks out and you just can't touch it without everyone with a great high on it(assuming its not for beginners and such) getting into a fit because they spent half their winter just to get a top 50.
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