MapleStory

[ckj846]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Good money, yeah, but REALLY BAD EXP

Not really. You are just spoiled as a priest. At level 77, I was getting an average of 4-6% an hour grinding at souls, buffys, and jetis. I haven't tried zombies but it isn't worth my time trying to find a map to get like 7% an hour because you waste so much time and money (plus the drops suck hard there now). 3-4% an hour and EXTREME MONEY=win for me because I'm perfectly fine with that exp rate as of right now. Once I hit 88, I'll practically orgasm at the exp (15-20% an hour at vikings I've heard?). I'm set pretty much because some priest friends are going to help me out by letting me leech at grims or something... I don't know quite yet.

Originally Posted by afrobean

DO NOT DO THAT.

HP IS NO GOOD FOR ANYONE BUT PRIESTS.

IF YOU SCROLL A HELM, SCROLL FOR DEFENSE.

HOWEVER, I WOULD RECOMMEND SIMPLY NOT SCROLLING AT ALL.

Thing is... scrolling for def does absolutely nothing. 2 more wdef for like 300k is not worth it at all in my opinion. More hp for me means I'll have even more hp with hb and it just makes me feel uncomfortable when I can only take 1 and maybe two hits at DTs without hb. 60% hp scrolls aren't even that expensive either, it is the jump scrolls that really are going to be a pain. Everyone buys them and the prices are going up so I have to get the money really soon. Thing is, EVERYONE NEEDS HP, it is how everyone lives and who cares about an extra pot? If it means the difference between dying and living but using some extra pots, I'm fine with the second choice. I've talked to a lot of higher leveled rangers and all of them scroll their hats for hp just because archers are frail as it is. I know what I'm doing afro... thanks for the heads up though :P
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[Afrobean]

Wow.

Can someone back me up here that HP scrolling is entirely useless unless it makes the difference between surviving a hit and dying?

Oh and btw, I'm not "spoiled." Everyone gets MUCH better exp rates than 4% or whatever per hour. Standard is right around 10% for a long time, but then shoots up as partying becomes more important.

[B0NK]

Originally Posted by Afrobean

Can someone back me up here that HP scrolling is entirely useless unless it makes the difference between surviving a hit and dying

i totally agree with you here.
i couldnt see why else you would scroll for hp

[ckj846]

Tell me why then scrolling for defense is any better? Does practically the same thing, it raises your vitality so you can take more hits. Same thing with hp except it is actually more effective in doing so. Please don't treat me as an idiot, I do know what I am doing. What else could I scroll the hat for that would at least have a little value? Also, about the % an hour thing... Do you know how hard it is to get decent exp as an unfunded archer SOLOING EVERYWHERE? At least in your 7x, DKs still partied you, even if you didn't have great HS. Sorry to rant but seroiusly, dont' give me this bull**** that there is a standard for 10% an hour. There isn't, why do you think this is considered the second "hell period" for archers? If it was 10% an hour, I would have probably never complained and I would still have inspiration to level. Seriously, to be honest, most other classes have it a lot easier then rangers, and even bandits. Sure, hermits are "almost the same as archers" but at least they get partied because they have haste and they kill much faster because of haste and they throw stars faster. Warriors are retardedly strong... I'm sure you have seen the damage keeto does on DTs and just compare that to mine. Mages have a tough time I hear but priests are ****ing easy to train. Boring, yes, but easy. I hope I got my point across without looking like TOO much of an asshole.
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[falconsfan14]

Originally Posted by ckj846

Tell me why then scrolling for defense is any better? Does practically the same thing, it raises your vitality so you can take more hits. Same thing with hp except it is actually more effective in doing so. Please don't treat me as an idiot, I do know what I am doing. What else could I scroll the hat for that would at least have a little value? Also, about the % an hour thing... Do you know how hard it is to get decent exp as an unfunded archer SOLOING EVERYWHERE? At least in your 7x, DKs still partied you, even if you didn't have great HS. Sorry to rant but seroiusly, dont' give me this bull**** that there is a standard for 10% an hour. There isn't, why do you think this is considered the second "hell period" for archers? If it was 10% an hour, I would have probably never complained and I would still have inspiration to level. Seriously, to be honest, most other classes have it a lot easier then rangers, and even bandits. Sure, hermits are "almost the same as archers" but at least they get partied because they have haste and they kill much faster because of haste and they throw stars faster. Warriors are retardedly strong... I'm sure you have seen the damage keeto does on DTs and just compare that to mine. Mages have a tough time I hear but priests are ****ing easy to train. Boring, yes, but easy. I hope I got my point across without looking like TOO much of an asshole.
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This whole arguement between CKJ and afro has made me laugh. Its 5am, thanks!

[evilbutterfly]

My worst exp rates were still 8-9%. I never went too far below 10% an hour. But seriously, TRY FLYEYES. I got about 5% an hour at them with my 91 mage an his slow ass explosion. Also, you get TONS OF WINGS and lots of lower level drops you can NPC (and some worthwhile things, like KFans). The fact that you can stay on one spot (the little ledge on the far right) and continuously hit them makes them pretty damn good. Just try it.

But uh, Afro explained it pretty well, but let's make it more math-y looking for everybody.

Let's say something hits you for 1k damage and you have 990hp.

990hp + ~22 defense (hard to get with scrolling) = you take 989 damage and survive with 1hp.
990hp + 85hp (100%'d pig headband) = you take 1k damage but survive with 75hp.

Here it'd be dumb to scroll for def because it's simply easier (by far) to get hp and it does what it needs to do.

Now let's say you take 1k damage but have 1500hp. You have passed 7 60%s for hp and for defense on two separate helmets (14wdef/14mdef on one and 70hp on the other). Now let's look:

HP scrolled hat: You still take 1k damage. You survive just fine, ending up with 570 hp after each hit.
Defense scrolled hat: You take about 993 damage. You survive just fine, with 507 hp after each hit.

Now let's say you get hit once every 15 seconds, or 4 times a minute. You train for a few hours, or 180 minutes. Thus, you get hit 720 times.

With the HP scrolled hat: You take 1k * 720 = 720,000 damage after a few hours.
With the def scrolled hat: You take 993 * 720 = 714,960 damage after a few hours.

After a few hours, you've taken 5,040 less damage because of that defense. While the HP hat will help keep you alive easier than a defense hat would, that defense hat saves you about 5k worth of pots every few hours. Afro isn't saying that this small savings is a big deal, he's just saying that saving SOME money is better than not saving any money at all. Also, if something is hitting you for 1k and you have 1500 hp, you'd need to get 501hp from equips in order to be able to take 2 hits without dying. Most HP an archer can get from equips (10%'d overall and hat) would be 280. With HB that'd be 392. You just can't get 501hp easily. If you're only ~50hp away from taking an extra hit, THEN scroll for HP.

That's all Afro was saying. Besides, if you're at flyeyes or pixies the extra defense will lower their damage enough to make a huge difference, since they aren't doing 1k+ to you, so a few points difference is a bigger deal. Also, if you're gonna scroll something for HP, just 100% a pig ribbon headband. +85hp with 100%s on it, as opposed to +70% on a perfectly 60%'d ANYTHING ELSE. Sure, it won't have any stat boosts on it, but staying alive is worth some extra damage, IMO.

[Squeek]

The point is you never use potions to bring your health back up fully so HP doesn't matter.

kthx

[ProtoMDS]

Not that it matters much, but 60% helmet defence only gives +1 m.def, not +2. Ignore what it says in-game.

[Afrobean]

Noah and Squeek pretty much hit was I was saying right on the head. It is true that as Noah said, that in theory you save money via using less pots, but it's also true as Squeek said that pots are often overused, especially in a situation where you can only take one hit before having to pot otherwise you die.

Really, the only reasons to scroll a hat for ANY stat (as of now anyway... I'll get into that later...*) are: if it will let you take one more hit than you would be able to otherwise (HP), or if you can take a few hits and you never overpot yourself to be full or for the rare case of an additional few accuracy in passed 10% (defense).

*Apparently some versions have other scrolls for helms. I hear we might get helm for int eventually

And cam, really, I would suggest simply not scrolling it. Go ahead and scroll it for HP, if you want, even though it likely won't matter at all and will just make you feel more comfortable (and trust me, I know how it is to worry about HP going all the way down from one hit... but I got used to it and I'm sure you can too) or it could be for e-penis reasons (ie "LOL I HAEV MORE HP THAN YOU OWNED"). In the end though, I'd say you're going to just be going to bigger and bigger things, so defense won't really help you anyway because you'll be overpotting anyway, and HP likely won't save you from being able to take more hits. scrolling for HP might help you out eventually down the road, but I don't think it'll do anything for you right now (and as Noah said, if you're worried about being able to take a hit, scroll a pig head band 100% for HP).

@protomds: we're not even talking mdef anyway. And unless I'm mistaken, mdef is worth less than def right?

oh and btw, there was a thread about HP versus def at SW a while back. I think I posted in it. I'll see if I can find a link.

EDIT: oh I think I may have misunderstood Squeek. Oh well. I got the point across in my post, even if that's not what Squeek meant.

EDIT: The topic mentions mages, but I feel it applies all across the board (disregarding the priest specific stuff, that is)
http://www.sleepywood.net/forum/show....php?t=1006514

[TheAznLarry]

All right guys, time to bring out the screenshot whore inside me.

Oni = Best. Lent me 8 mil for my sexy doom.

WTFUX WHY COULDN'T I GET IT

Bonk = awesome. I've leeched at least 50% at zombies and he didn't mind one bit =) I'd still be like 67 now if it wasn't for b0nk haha (PS:OMG70)

My sword is all grown up *tear* No more short purple dildo!

Self explanatory.

Ditto.

YOU CRAFTY TYLUS, YOU!


More advancement pics to come. Haven't officially reached 3rd job yet

[Bahamut-X]

Wtf is up with your HP/MP o.O

Mine at 70:


That's weird. No bonuses in this pic either.

PS Nice job. Page in 6x is gaaaaay.

[TheAznLarry]

Originally Posted by Bahamut-X

Wtf is up with your HP/MP o.O

Mine at 70:
*picture*

That's weird. No bonuses in this pic either.

PS Nice job. Page in 6x is gaaaaay.

Yeah. I put a point into powerstrike first, so I dunno if that affected 1 point of max hp recovery. As for MP, =\

[banditcom]

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[ckj846]

Originally Posted by sleepywood thread posted

Defense scrolling is better in the long run, than HP scrolling. HP scrolling is useless; it has a false facade of appearing useful.

Consider:
3 defense protects you from about 1 damage. So if you have a 6/7 scrolled helmet, you would have +12 weapon defense (ignore magic defense for now). That means every time you get bumped by a monster, any monster, you will take ~4-5 less damage.

If you had a 6/7 scrolled HP helmet, you'd have 60 more HP.

Let's say you have 700 HP. You will have 12 more defense in scenario A, and a total of 760 HP in scenario B.

How many times do you get touch damaged per level? Thousands? It builds up. You will end up saving millions of mesos in saved MP and HP pot usage due to helmet defense scrolling (assuming you have the helmet for more than 10 levels - that's when it is profitable).

While HP scrolling is good for only ONE thing - making you survive an extra hit. Let's say you're fighting tauromacis, whose lightning attack does anywhere from 620-700 damage. Let's say it does 720 damage exactly all the time. If you didn't have HP scrolling, you'd die. The helmet defense isn't enough to protect you from dying.

Are you going to be fighting tauromacis for 10 levels? I don't think so. 60 HP is nothing. It's a blatant waste of your money. 60% helmet HP scrolls cost very much $$$, while helmet defense are significantly less.

It's like buying a hybrid car. In the long run, you end up paying for the gas you use with the money you save by using less gas (as compared to a regular car). That's what helmet defense scrolling is. Everytime you get hit with a scrolled helmet, think "I'm saving myself 4 mesos." That's not a lot? Well it builds up. After tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of hits (which takes place over the course of many levels), you find yourself saving 4 mil.

What do you get if you die? You lose 5%. Not money. And besides, you only die if you're fighting things that rely on the borderline HP of having 10 extra HP or whatnot. You will not be fighting those things for ten levels.

In conclusion, Helmet HP scrolling is really shallow. It may give you extra HP, but it leaves your defenses the same as before you scrolled, while in a sense, helmet defense scrolling actually gives you "protection."

Edit - At mid levels (4x, 5x, 6x) helmet defense scrolling is SUPERIOR to helmet HP scrolling. But once you start killing Grims and such, you may think "more HP = better" -> this is only true in one case - if you have enough HP to not use guard. That's the only point when HP is beneficial, and that's only if you have TONS more. Not just 40-50, but I'm talking around 200-300 more HP. Then, the fact that you'll be only using healing potions (or cleric's heals) and not MP pots will greatly outweigh the tiny amount of money you save each time you get hit.

Only when you start using ELIXIRS will helmet HP be better than helmet defense, because the amount you heal depends on your HP. If you get 60 more HP, that means your elixir will heal 30 more HP. And that's 30 mesos. And that's more than the 4 mesos you save everytime you get hit. But otherwise, my argument still stands that for mid levels, helmet HP is useless.

Thanks for linking that Afro and clearing it up for me. I think I have 60% helmet def on my mule anyways and it will save me a lot of money. Sorry for being an ignorant asshole, like usual. I'm at 50% right now and I'm actually sorta thinking of not making a video because of school and I'm way too lazy to film, let alone edit and all that stuff.
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[scorpio1690]

I get a little over 20% an hour with Bonk at Z3. I like it.

[ProtoMDS]

FWAHAHAHAH lvl 61 I'm a naturally slow leveller ._. I get distracted too much. I'd be at ~15% if i didn't PQ with my friend's dit.

[ellikinz]

So.

I was talking to a friend today and i made a typo.
How cute?

e l l i k i n z: i think im gonna play mepple
e l l i k i n z: hahahaha
e l l i k i n z: mepple
Him: meplle
Him: Rofl


We have fun making each other look stupid..


ELLY <3's EVI [duh.]

[happyhardcor3]

so i play maple story, and i figured i'd go ahead and post in the forum =D, i currently have a 70 priest and a nooblet sin =(. anyone i know play this game too? =D

[bobbycat73]

Originally Posted by happyhardcor3

so i play maple story, and i figured i'd go ahead and post in the forum =D, i currently have a 70 priest and a nooblet sin =(. anyone i know play this game too? =D

Maybe if you said your IGN and world, we'd be able to tell.

[ckj846]

Sigh.. more jackasses. I just ended up CCing. Oh, note % =D
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