TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[ShadoWolfe]

I'm worried about a ben lynch given that all the reasons I want to vote him are based on association and "he gives info" but it's d0 and there's no wolf flipped to draw actual association from

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Bro wtf I have been very clear on this
Like I literally just answered shado at length on this???
Is shado right on you or am I just annoyed

Sorry it's hard to concentrate atm. I think this might be the worst environment I've ever tried to play twg in

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

steam out my ears
fire pouring out my eyes
hair set ablaze


in all seriousness though, game, how are we feeling about sunfan having nearly double the top 2nd poster's posts? Are we universally townreading him or....? Cause this to me is a data point I like to keep in the back of mind when I'm looking for clues in previous phases and having such a presence with no town backing behind it is often cause for concern as well as a myriad of other considerations.

it weirded me out that he was basically talking to himself at certain points, I don't want to vote for him today because I find other people to be wolfier but I would not say I am town reading him

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

I can go with botchi too if you want


I feel like a mercenary

My last post got posted too soon
But whatever
Do whatever you want, bad cop

I think botchi is the elephant in the room rn for lack of a better way to put it (it is not a great way to out it)

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I kinda dont get why botchi doesnt have attention, much less traction

botchi feels genuine fmpov

It was really him openly explaining his thought process and why he was mentioning connections between people as its his process to help him game solve later on.

I think you might be paranoid, but most likely there's just a lack of a gumption from botchi. Lots of comments and noting, but not pushing a read they have (unless I missed this, or something related to)

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

it weirded me out that he was basically talking to himself at certain points, I don't want to vote for him today because I find other people to be wolfier but I would not say I am town reading him

He did this last match too, I think he's getting senile the old chap

[the sun fan]

Not gumption, zenith
Chutzpah
The word of the day, maybe
And I like

Why would he be lacking that when he had plenty last game

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

He did this last match too, I think he's getting senile the old chap

Genuinely
Am I senile or am I wolf
I know you'll say "both" but like
This feels like itnundercuts your stance on me

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by ShadoWolfe

I'm worried about a ben lynch given that all the reasons I want to vote him are based on association and "he gives info" but it's d0 and there's no wolf flipped to draw actual association from

I have the associative reads too, but I think more importantly, several of his posts (the ones where he argues some town/scumleans) are couched.

"I think X might be town, but I want to hear what sunfan has to say"

"This person might be a wolf, but maybe X is instead"

"If X is a town, then Y is a wolf"

He has positioned himself to always have an "out" in case things don't go in a convenient direction. Preemptively adding wiggle room.

There's a general lack of commitment to any real idea. Most substantive reads are always couched in "or maybe this other thing instead."

that's what's primarily driving me towards ben. The associative leans are extra flavoring

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

steam out my ears
fire pouring out my eyes
hair set ablaze


in all seriousness though, game, how are we feeling about sunfan having nearly double the top 2nd poster's posts? Are we universally townreading him or....? Cause this to me is a data point I like to keep in the back of mind when I'm looking for clues in previous phases and having such a presence with no town backing behind it is often cause for concern as well as a myriad of other considerations.

I don't think post volume is alignment indicative for sunfan. At a certain skill level, volume starts to be less about hiding or going utr and more about availability and engagement.
to answer your question, he went from maybe 30% wolf to 10% town this D0, so he's trending somewhat upwards through the chaos

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

There's a general lack of commitment to any real idea. Most substantive reads are always couched in "or maybe this other thing instead."

Town do be paranoid tho?

[the sun fan]

This is a distressing eod
I want neither of these people dead
I really dont want to vote star

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Not gumption, zenith
Chutzpah
The word of the day, maybe
And I like

Why would he be lacking that when he had plenty last game

Circumstances, and I feel like it's quite obvious so I don't understand why you couldn't make that leap either.

Replacing in and starting fresh are two polar opposites and I feel anyone would struggle to balance their style when they do both.

also I don't even know if you are a wolf, but I'm on a mission. Vengeance shall be delivered.

[ShadoWolfe]

@hateandhatred will you be more available next day phase?

[DaBackpack]

"I think star might be a wolf, but I'm voting for bugkid instead." <---- If a CFD happens on a bug wagon, then Ben can always "safely" vote star instead.

"If bug is town, then H&H is a wolf." <---- If bug is town and flips this phase, Ben has a "safe" vote for tomorrow.

This is clear as day to me. IDK why no one else is noticing these things

[ShadoWolfe]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

This is a distressing eod
I want neither of these people dead
I really dont want to vote star

I'll vote any wagon over star so at least I'd be canceling you out

[FreezinIce]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

My last post got posted too soon
But whatever
Do whatever you want, bad cop

I think botchi is the elephant in the room rn for lack of a better way to put it (it is not a great way to out it)

I'm not doing a 4d chess move here. Here's my honest thoughts. I know I havnt done a good job explaining what I've been thinking and my progressions so this is trying to fix this

I think you are town, probably my top town atm for reasons I can't super elaborate on because my mind is mushed atm. Summarized as you have a lot of posts and none of them give me bad vibes. And when you powerwolf you usually are a lot more controlling and rigid.

As far as Ben goes, he ends up being null to me, to get a good read on him id have to comb thru his posts and when I tried last time I didn't really get anything from it so I stopped (this wasn't an exaggeration when I said it before)

Botchi seems to be playing kind of like me, he's still pretty null because there isn't enough there for a concrete read but on my own I'd put up a bit over Ben.

But if you are absolutely sure Ben is town here I can defer to your read on him for d0 and go with someone else I don't really feel strongly about

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

Town do be paranoid tho?

I know what paranoia looks like. This isn't that, it's strategic maneuvering, IMO

[the sun fan]

I cant go with raeko on xel (sorry raeko)
I cant go back to bugkid
I cant go on ben
I cant go on star without like committing myself to a bughouse

No one seems to give a fuck aboht botchi
I kinda dont know what to do i feel.stunlocked

dbp???

[DaBackpack]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

sincere question:

you're townreading him, sure, but do you accept the premises behind why I and others are finding him wolfy? is it a matter of "I can see why you think this, but I disagree?", or is it "I don't think this rationale is correct at all"

answer me sunfan