TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

[the sun fan]

I'm pretty sure it is Lar if you're real, honestly

roundbox's frustration at not having the time yesterday felt very, very townie in a way that I don't know I am like
ever going to be able to convince anyone else of

I'm sure you're frustrated with raeko/roundbox lack of reads one another, and imo, they have historically been rather good at reading one another

Lar reacted kind of strange to the sleep thing yesterday, he kinda caved too quickly. Things from there started to really unravel, like I think, in Larlanguage, that he ISO'd Hopecaster to control any potential narrative on Hopecaster's legacy before anyone else could. There was something else... I don't remember it but anyways

I think my reads were likely dogshit at the beginning of this game, potentially the worst they've ever been in a turbo; no wonder they fruit'd me

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by leetic

No, because it increases the risk of getting seered for no mechanical gain

the very, very, very, very interesting thing is, I think the answer is yes, you do (certainly not saying you did, I believe you're very likely real)

[leetic]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

the very, very, very, very interesting thing is, I think the answer is yes, you do (certainly not saying you did, I believe you're very likely real)

Why

[the sun fan]

leetic, if you're fake, and you delayed the kill AND gave me a piece of fruit so that you can more convincingly claim a red on someone to push this over for the win, that's the world where I think you give me a 2nd piece of fruit

truly a diabolical machination, like I love, love, love how that could potentially be weaponized, I hope you're a wolf and did that

[the sun fan]

the real answer is probably that raeko whimsically gave me a 2nd piece of fruit but like
her reaction will mean a lot here, if this is a reaction check, I suspect her reaction will be a very good one

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

There was something else... I don't remember it but anyways

remembered
I didn't like how quickly and unwaveringly lar assumed I was always town for getting a piece of fruit

It didn't feel natural... or maybe it doesn't in hindsight, that might be the better way of putting it

[leetic]

Like the way my role works is that I only get a result on the day that a target uses an action (otherwise it is delayed, as with Botchi, who is cleared because we know wolves didn't delay N1). Since they decided to delay the kill this phase, I wouldn't have been able to seer the Malice Wolf last night. It's only because Raeko, the PFVW, chose to send a fruit that a red seering was even possible N2. This is the kind of mistake that is only made by a mechanically unaware wolf team.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by leetic

This is the kind of mistake that is only made by a mechanically unaware wolf team.

or it is the kind of proactive, frankly genius level play made by a wolfteam that attempts to win by setting up a red

I wanna go back and check if raeko said anything to me about blueberries when I claimed it

[leetic]

How mechanically aware is MML usually? Given roundbox's apparent lack of WIM I wouldn't put it past him to make this mistake regardless of how his meta usually is. I guess a slightly angleshooty case could be made that a Raeko/roundbox team would theoretically have more WIM, but I remember another wolfteam that contained a real-life couple on the Syndicate flopping hard as well

[leetic]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

He's at school AND he has to stay late today (isn't being a teacher awesome?)

If you have another reason you think he's wolfy I'm all ears, but he dipped because he had to sleep then go to work and I can't really fault him for that

I don't want to use too much info that you guys don't have but it's hard when we live in the same house haha


You asked me for that reads list and then vote for me right away, almost like you just wanted something to nitpick at me for, and have a big long list to choose a random reason to place a vote on me

hmmmmmm

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

because it's been a waste of time for the most part

I guess you can also say that posts like these feel really pockety towards roundbox

[the sun fan]

raeko/roundbox have rolled wolf together a comical and statistically significantly outlying number of times, and I don't think it has ever been accurate to say that their level of interest has gone down after rolling together

if anything, like roundbox was saying about raeko, her interest would've gone higher

[I do know of one game where raeko super low-posted and died d0 where she and roundbox were wolves together, but it was so long ago that I don't remember if they were together at the time]

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by leetic

How mechanically aware is MML usually? Given roundbox's apparent lack of WIM I wouldn't put it past him to make this mistake regardless of how his meta usually is. I guess a slightly angleshooty case could be made that a Raeko/roundbox team would theoretically have more WIM, but I remember another wolfteam that contained a real-life couple on the Syndicate flopping hard as well

I would expect roundbox to be more mechanically aware than lar

years and years ago, I've seen lar miss a hammer to win a game (this was a game where wolves couldn't communicate with one another privately) and I can't see roundbox ever doing that

[leetic]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

He's at school AND he has to stay late today (isn't being a teacher awesome?)

If you have another reason you think he's wolfy I'm all ears, but he dipped because he had to sleep then go to work and I can't really fault him for that

I don't want to use too much info that you guys don't have but it's hard when we live in the same house haha

Although this as a response to MML would have to be a partner interaction either way so I don't know what to think. MML's response to this is uninspiring, though:

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I mean in this context it's probably less in the spirit of the game to keep it to yourself since you can't help but to know it.

[leetic]

Also, another thing is that if wolves were killing someone last night, and it wasn't sunfan, it would have been MML (which would have been super convenient to me but oh well). I do think Raeko/MML is more likely to delay here than Raeko/roundbox, since the latter team would likely have the foresight to realize they were in an unstable position and thus want to secure things quickly. Though I suppose roundbox probably thought he had a higher chance of being seered, but if that was their strategy they shouldn't have thrown the fruit

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I really like blueberries but I'm allergic to them ;_;

I'm not sure I'm really capable of really reading into this

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

That doesn't make a lick of sense. Even if you could ain't nobody in this game poisoning their teammates over one of us

I am going to preview this post by saying that I have never seen any of the show Young Sheldon, or the new spinoff, George and... Mandy's? First Marriage (whatever the name is)

I have, however seen a commercial advertising the latter, and I can't help but think of this (please just let me engage with my brain-rot, I've clearly played bad this game)

Mandy or whoever accuses George of getting intensely Southern when he is telling a lie, and like
that's what Lar feels like here LMAO

what the heck lar why did you turn into a hog wrastler here

[leetic]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I think if roundbox is a wolf I'll be more likely to be able to tell with enough time, but I haven't seen anything to indicate it to me yet

I'm not sure why Raeko had to hedge here when she could've easily justified a TR on roundbox for pocketing purposes. The disconnect between this attitude here and her willingness to interject in roundbox's defense has to mean something. Then again, there's also a weaksauce push in p706

[leetic]

Raeko seemed to be playing the classic powerwolf, she hard pushed Zenith, Nakah, Arp, and me, all of which are/were town. She had a weaksauce push on roundbox once and did she ever give MML any pushback like at all?

[the sun fan]

I don't think that I often make sub-optimal plays as a wolf, at least wrt mechanics
maybe one of my greatest strengths as a wolf

I will have to swallow a difficult pill if leetic is real, that a team with raeko on it did something just for the whimsy of it, or somehow made some kind of catastrophic error mechanically

that might stop me from voting in a situation where I otherwise might be a lot more likely to do so

[the sun fan]

I think reading raeko/lar for interactions is probably where that wolfteam would be most likely to struggle

lar is kind of a notorious busser, and idk that he would've been doing that this game?? he occasionally doesn't bus/attempt to distance, but I've yet to crack the rhyme or reason there