TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

lar, a list of Arp games

turbo 36, died n1 (universal townread)

TWG 207, rolled a weird 3p role that won with the wolves at the endgame (I do not remember Arp ever rolling something other than town, but clearly I was wrong about that
I designed this game with sven but I do not recall this role's specificities, unfortunately)

TWG 206, survived to end of game as town

jTWG 85, Lost at endgame as a villager

I believe this is all of their games

you care incorrect that you have, or that anyone has, ever gotten them lynched

sigh

I will admit I am incorrect in my assertion that Arp was lynched for being this way

I really feel like it's happened though. Arp, don't you remember it happening before?

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by leetic

Does every read I throw around, especially at a time when so little was happening, need to be the work of PhD level research into various metas and so forth? No? Then get yourself unstuck and actually start working on stuff, I know you're capable of it

leetic, I am trying to be reasonable

I have plainly said that I don't expect it to be a long, multi-paragraph answer

I don't like your read on Nakah there, not one bit

I focused elsewhere because I credited you with helping getting the game going, and nothing stood out to me

in hindsight, this read of Nakah stands out to me as smelly

it runs counter to what I have known about Nakah since basically the day I met him, just about

I can't believe we could be so far apart on it

your reluctance to engage with me on this, coupled with the fact that you seemed to ignore me, makes me want to vote you, and I don't really want to do that, but I will

this *should not* be a hard question

"Why did Nakah role-playing as a barber make you feel like he was more likely aligned with his town game, or some such?"

Like... the fact that you've not answered this simple, square question brings many, many more questions to my mind. Nakah is like... one of the more unique people I have ever met playing werewolf, I think a lot of people would agree with that who know him. I fucking live with someone nowadays who happens to know him and would agree. The fact that you were doing more than just blue-reading him for that post is

BAFFLING to me, truly

and I want to know whether or not it makes you a wolf, and you not answering me frankly and giving me the run-around isn't helping me focus on other work, it is pissing me off and making me think that you're an obtuse villager, or a wolf who isn't afraid to come at me, neither of which I particularly mind voting right now

so, please

tell me, WITH NOT EVEN THAT MUCH MORE DETAIL

how his role-playing, seemingly NAI, entrance made you think he was more likely to be town than not

you don't even have to mention the blue stuff

[the sun fan]

"it reminded me of his recent town game on NSM" is not satisfying me

what ABOUT it
why have you not come to the conclusion, that I think almost everyone else that knows Nakah even a little bit would have, that his role-playing there was just Nakah being Nakah

I NEED TO KNOW THIS IT IS BOTHERING ME IMMENSELY
you should answer this question as if you have a (metaphorical) gun to your head

[leetic]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

leetic, I am trying to be reasonable

I have plainly said that I don't expect it to be a long, multi-paragraph answer

I don't like your read on Nakah there, not one bit

I focused elsewhere because I credited you with helping getting the game going, and nothing stood out to me

in hindsight, this read of Nakah stands out to me as smelly

it runs counter to what I have known about Nakah since basically the day I met him, just about

I can't believe we could be so far apart on it

your reluctance to engage with me on this, coupled with the fact that you seemed to ignore me, makes me want to vote you, and I don't really want to do that, but I will

this *should not* be a hard question

"Why did Nakah role-playing as a barber make you feel like he was more likely aligned with his town game, or some such?"

Like... the fact that you've not answered this simple, square question brings many, many more questions to my mind. Nakah is like... one of the more unique people I have ever met playing werewolf, I think a lot of people would agree with that who know him. I fucking live with someone nowadays who happens to know him and would agree. The fact that you were doing more than just blue-reading him for that post is

BAFFLING to me, truly

and I want to know whether or not it makes you a wolf, and you not answering me frankly and giving me the run-around isn't helping me focus on other work, it is pissing me off and making me think that you're an obtuse villager, or a wolf who isn't afraid to come at me, neither of which I particularly mind voting right now

so, please

tell me, WITH NOT EVEN THAT MUCH MORE DETAIL

how his role-playing, seemingly NAI, entrance made you think he was more likely to be town than not

you don't even have to mention the blue stuff

Look, not only is this a waste of time, but town's win% gets lower the longer this conversation goes on (no, I will not elaborate). Look at the other 95% of my ISO.

[the sun fan]

leetic
I think you're more likely to be a villager doing this, but you've genuinely pissed me the fuck off and I'm not letting a wolf get away with doing this

[leetic]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

leetic
I think you're more likely to be a villager doing this, but you've genuinely pissed me the fuck off and I'm not letting a wolf get away with doing this

You are a better player than this, and I shouldn't have to spell it out for you

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by leetic

Look, not only is this a waste of time, but town's win% gets lower the longer this conversation goes on (no, I will not elaborate). Look at the other 95% of my ISO.

Leetic link that NSM please

[mellon_collie]

Originally Posted by leetic

Look, not only is this a waste of time, but town's win% gets lower the longer this conversation goes on (no, I will not elaborate). Look at the other 95% of my ISO.

I get that the nakah talk seemed like a waste of time, and for 90% of the game I would say that it was because we were talking about Ghost Nakah, but now we are talking about you. Forming a town circle is almost as important as finding wolves in this game, and the fact that you're not willing to just give sunfan anything to attempt to do that really does not make me feel great about you

[the sun fan]

do you genuinely think this is a good way to play werewolf?

my vote is unmoving and if I am the vigi who gets another shot, I am shooting you.

like this is unacceptable play and as much as you tell me you know I'm capable of focusing on other things, I know that you are capable of providing an answer that you could even bullshit so like

you're just doing this to piss me off or some shit

I don't know what else to say

I've even gone and fucking done other shit while interacting with you; I proved an assumption lar made about Arp wrong (or at least done so to the best of my abilities, it is possible I missed something)

if anyone else wants to play the game of werewolf with me, like we signed up to do, I'd love to do that with them

[Arp!]

finally finished the assignment i was working on but this is all taking much longer than expected and i'm starting to panic a bit. just now caught up with the thread

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

sigh

I will admit I am incorrect in my assertion that Arp was lynched for being this way

I really feel like it's happened though. Arp, don't you remember it happening before?

it's been quite a while but i can't recall ever being lynched, only killed through other means. i wouldn't be surprised if i've gotten close, though

[MixMasterLar]

I would be pretty upset at SunFan for voting for someone he still in his heart thinks is a villager more then a wolf just for some really shitty, low tier argument over a really bad read on D0 but like, I kind of think Leetic is a good vote for several reasons and I don't wanna lose the support

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I would be pretty upset at SunFan for voting for someone he still in his heart thinks is a villager more then a wolf just for some really shitty, low tier argument over a really bad read on D0 but like, I kind of think Leetic is a good vote for several reasons and I don't wanna lose the support

leetic probably never does this as a wolf (but I think his cajones are larger than average, so maybe), but if someone isn't going to answer a question as simple as this one, they're telling me they're not going to work with me in such a manner

why should I try to win the game while working against them?

I don't like his read on Nakah, I've never liked his read on Nakah (aside from the short window of time when I thought he might be blue-reading him), he refuses to elaborate in the slightest beyond "it reminded me of my game with him on NSM" and it would be COMPLETELY, COMPLETELY different if there were masons or if there were n0 green checks, but there aren't, and I don't know what the fuck he's talking about him not needing to spell it out for me

there's not even a role-related answer I can think of, as shitty as that is for me to say

I'm gonna read an ISO of Arp from their first or second game and compare arp's lack of joy and hope to this one and maybe feel good about directing other people to vote there or so

[the sun fan]

leetic, I need you to claim if this is role-related for this to ever be repaired, I think

frankly, I think there's a chance you're likely to die as is anyways

a problem for later, but that's where it stands

Arp is literally two different people between this previous game and now
idk that Lu Meng would even disagree with me that it just feels like Arp is a deflated wolf (sorry Arp)

[the sun fan]

genuinely if this is role-related, it is on you for not attempting to bullshit an answer and for setting up something that you would struggle to provide cover for at the SLIGHTEST BREEZE later

that's the last of it, I promise

[Arp!]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

Fatigue is a super common feeling felt by players both alignments so it's an easy/convenient cop out to use. I got similar vibes when reading Arp's posts and was hopeful they would come back and help me clarify if it was town fatigue or not... hoping they still do

i'm not sure how to help clarify this without bringing up stuff about mental health, which (among other reasons) i feel just wouldn't be in the spirit of the game
as much as really want to just get my crap together and put my mind to this, i'm kind of struggling right now, and i've reached the point where i think i just need to admit that this wasn't the best time for me to join a werewolf game and i should've thought a bit more carefully about it
kinda sucks cuz next week is my spring break and that would've been significantly better

anyway, brief thoughts while i'm here (i still have stuff to do unfortunately):
-> cold take at this point but leetic is suspicious as hell. besides the refusal to answer sunfan's questions i feel like the random jabs at other players are only making meaningful discussion more difficult. could be a wolf tactic but it's uncool even as a townie
-> nothing concerning sticks out to me about botchi's read list but i'm curious what they think of leetic now
-> hecking,,, still need to ISO roundbox and maybe raeko, but i noticed some comments from other players that are making me question how i feel about them. not wolfreads by any means but i am definitively More Unsure

[the sun fan]

now's the time to kick my ass if you can, arp
and others, but mine first

we can find you town if you are, I promise

[MixMasterLar]

The more Sun FAN talks about Arp the more I wonder if I am deadass getting them confused in my memory with someone else the same way I thought someone else was decoding Al Bhed

And if that's true, I feel shitty for it because it always sucks to be mistaken for someone else or forgotten

But I just don't see this big gap in play from my memory to what I'm seeing here I don't think

I just don't think I'm following on the Arp wagon this phase

[Arp!]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I am going to run counter to SunFan and say yes

They rarely engage in any meaningful way and it's always a lot of "Well something will happen" "I hope I can solve" "I'll get to that maybe". I have mislynched them several times for it

SunFan is right that they genuinely tend to project this open wide innocence that most of the game picks up on in like the first 3 posts and that didn't happen this time but I disagree it's a grand departure

i don't want to disregard this because i absolutely agree. it was fine for my first few games when i was still learning the ropes but i'm not sure i ever learned how to properly analyze people and make connections and engage,,, and i feel like i'm still not catching on to things i should

i've noticed you picking up on this several times and i think i recall at least being wolfread by you at certain points if not mislynched

feels kinda icky to be talking about and defending myself so much, but i guess it's all i can really bring myself to do, at least until i'm done studying
saying this might just complicate things even more, but i do know i'd feel exponentially worse making excuses like this as a wolf

[the sun fan]

Arp, I truly hope you are happy
you're a cool, smart person, and I am sure that college is a stressful time, especially after a friend group implodes

you don't have to get into anything you don't want to, and I'm sure it was at least a little unexpected for the game to start when it did

it is alright

I worry you are the type to take this game kind of harshly upon a rough game, I am too. It'll be alright, regardless of whatever else occurs.

[MixMasterLar]

I have no idea how Fan became FAN I'm sorry I wish I could edit it