TWG Turbo 39: Timing Error [GAME THREAD]

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

So Nakah, then Zenith then Arp?

yeah
roundbox is after that, but only because it has to be someone (I would prefer not to kill roundbox today but he made me like
irrationally focused on him)

I guess it did turn into a reads list after all

[leetic]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

roundbox was it you in the game where leetic was killed on the first day and flipped wolf
were you the person pushing for that
idr

leetic can also answer if he feels like it

I was killed on the second day, nobody was really pushing me D1 (MML in particular was hard pocketed)

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by leetic

blah blah blah sunfan ur wrong and didn't remember the op right blah blah blah

ok, you win, I'm a little embarrassed given I asked people to read the OP and then I got something wrong from it

I figured that it would be a replacement before a modkill, it is not

I will have to figure out what the best thing to do is instead

[leetic]

[quote=_Zenith_;4801675]Alright I'm more or less caught up now, at the moment I don't want to vote:

Subaru
MML

I'm feeling comfortable with their approach to the game thus far as well as their interactions w/ others and some pursuant questioning, and I want to keep seeing more of that.[quote]



This feels like a lot of weasel words.

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by mellon_collie

I'm very sorry about your phone but you reminded me of the day I smashed the shit out of my Galaxy S8

Twas Anime North 20something and a group of us decided to try playing the giant IRL game of TWG put on by the convention. Horrible mistake, it was just a giant mess of people shouting and pointing at each other and nothing to do with logic or deductive reasoning at all. anyway everybody from FFR was slowly eliminated from the game except me who was a vegan wolf who couldn't make kills. I was just stuck sitting there, can't even really play the game because everyone is just shouting and pointing and I'd been drinking and I wanted to go do anything else. so I was pissed off and moderately drunk when I went to excuse myself to the bathroom. I put my phone down on the toilet paper holder (wouldn't normally do that but pissed off and drunk) and it slid right off and smashed onto the hard tile floor and it was a bad enough smash that there were chunks of glass missing from the screen

so yeah IRL TWG at Anime North gave me gamer rage and I kinda smashed my screen

I sooooooo remember this now
I came in late and saw you were the last wolf, and I remember feeling both very sorry for you and laughing a little at the reveal that you were the vegan wolf and couldn't make any nightkills as the last wolf
soooo ridiculous, like the role is so sad to include in a game

didn't know you broke your screen during that game, that's R O U G H

[the sun fan]

arp, my friend

I *definitely* remember you always
a) rolling town
b) being universally townread essentially always in all your games

b is not occurring

it makes me think that a did not occur, either

[MixMasterLar]

Leetic, we have gone rounds concerning killing inactives and at this point I have to just quietly take my medications and admit the Cold War is over, my friend; I don't have the fight to keep going on and on about the topic

You will never convince me an inactive PR is more beneficial then a resolved slot. I just don't believe it because inactive slots always bite town in the ass given a long enough timeline

Originally Posted by the sun fan

yeah
roundbox is after that, but only because it has to be someone (I would prefer not to kill roundbox today but he made me like
irrationally focused on him)

I guess it did turn into a reads list after all

I don't know if I like Zenith being on that list. I was going to write a big defense on him because I don't like your inclusion of him on the list but I don't think I have a strong defense for him

I think what I don't like is just, you wanting to off him as strongly as you do

Arp I am agnostic on. You quote you in countless games: I wouldn't be sad if we lynch them I guess

[the sun fan]

it bothers me how much subaru has focused on leetic's combinatorix or w/e

Idk why

[_Zenith_]

[quote=leetic;4801721][quote=_Zenith_;4801675]Alright I'm more or less caught up now, at the moment I don't want to vote:

Subaru
MML

I'm feeling comfortable with their approach to the game thus far as well as their interactions w/ others and some pursuant questioning, and I want to keep seeing more of that.

This feels like a lot of weasel words.

Hmmmm??? Nervous goose?

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

inactive kill versus doing something else

leetic is right, it is irrelevant
freezin, our benevolent host and handsomest TWG player to list their location as the Canary Islands, has promised to MODKILL anyone who doesn't have at least 5 game-related posts by the end of each phase, rather than replace them out

we should never be killing nakah when we can do literally anything else and nakah will still die

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

leetic is right, it is irrelevant
freezin, our benevolent host and handsomest TWG player to list their location as the Canary Islands, has promised to MODKILL anyone who doesn't have at least 5 game-related posts by the end of each phase, rather than replace them out

we should never be killing nakah when we can do literally anything else and nakah will still die

He did not. He said it would risk being modkilled. Look at that first post again
And he has Star as a replacement
We've fallen for this same shit before my man come on

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Arp!

i dunno, i think subaru seemingly ignoring her is noteworthy enough to at least point out, and aside from casting a bit of suspicion she still read subaru as town. your criticism is fair (and after subaru's post i feel inclined to agree that it wasn't very compelling evidence against them) but a vote for raeko feels like a bit much to me

why is a vote for raeko a bit much at this juncture? voting is how we best grease the wheels of the game is my premise for asking this question

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

He did not. He said it would risk being modkilled. Look at that first post again
And he has Star as a replacement
We've fallen for this same shit before my man come on

FUCK

[the sun fan]

Not so much a list of reads as it is a list of who I would kill today/who I wouldn't, at least that's my prediction for this starting out

Would not kill

leetic- This is 100000000% within his wolf range, but he truly was a provider of the sparks that got the game going right when I was wondering whether it'd be even playable. Yes, raeko and roundbox were there doing shit, and they get credit for it, too. It just wouldn't be fruitful rn to kill either leetic or raeko, and probably not roundbox either (I have a selfish reason to dislike roundbox). Leetic's read on nakah made me initially sus him heavily, pending any kind of satisfactory explanation of the read, and I misunderstood (I think?) his response, and during the period that this misunderstanding existed (I think), I thought it was a read he could've made as either alignment, and I shifted it towards being something he is more likely to do as town than as a wolf off of vibes. It is... noteworthy that leetic in the current thread has read someone's ISO and said "meh" but felt that he was able to read nakah off of what is the TWG version of a barber shop commercial. I will evaluate later. I forget why we killed leetic when we did in that game that I subbed into, maybe I wasn't part of the we that did that. Something worth checking later, someone remind me to do that if leetic and I are alive tomorrow.

Just would not be fruitful for today especially with how things stand now.

hopecaster- On a reread, before anything else, I've realized that the way I am wolfreading zenith is kind of at odds with the way hopecaster entered the thread? Like the way hopecaster was genuinely worried (post #115) about the fact that EOD might be approaching quickly (I think Arp! does this too? haven't encountered that yet) *feels* townie in a way that is so, so hard to attempt to qualify. I'll try to talk about his substance (you know, some actual meat that actually fucking matters) rather than his quantity through the reread.

I see now he also questioned Lar on how I feel "coy" being different from the norm, which I think I might be forced to put in the "actually feels too confident a read" thing that I initially felt from hopecaster.

god I kinda forgot how much I hate post #140
someone else tell me what they think of that post, because I think it was NOT GOOD.
roundbox, you do it, I know you read these things u big nerd.

I like hopecaster's question to lar in post #161, feels genuinely curious and not performative.

his process on leetic/my interaction is like
really heavily focused, and while it is... weird? maybe I like the fact that he seemed preoccupied with something for so long? idk
I literally just said in real time that idk that I like his focus on the combinatorix, but maybe it is alright given he is awed/had never seen it before, and wanted to do more with it. idk if this makes any sense at all to anyone else.

Lar- I... like his reads list less (not substantially less) on a 2nd pass. I don't think anything was super pressing before that happened. Currently waiting on a response from him about how serious he was about raeko's activity being potentially too high, but that doesn't really strike me as a town!lar thought, he'd just be grateful to have been wrong and probably not explore the thought too much more than that. I don't think I've ever seen Lar accuse someone of being too active in all the years we've played together, that really doesn't sit too well with me. His read on me is like
wrong? I tend to be "coy" or like

idk I wish freezin were here, he gets it. I, usually multiple times in a day phase, say things that I do try to make like fairly confusing or hard to understand, but they will all eventually make sense or be explained (or at least have the potential to be). I do this since literally before my twg brain was developed beyond peanut-sized. I am stopping myself from townreading Lar for reading me in a way that I don't think makes sense.

I really like the read on leetic, that's where I can see the throughline. He didn't like leetic's "clearing" (lar's words, not mine or leetic's) of Zenith, and brings it up enough to where it just feels like a natural line of thought. THIS is what I remember townlar feeling like.

As of the time of writing, lar just answered me about his raeko read as "pretty serious"
I do not like that.

I do like post #151 where he wants more from raeko, though. I wanted the same thing at that time.

I also like post #181 because villagers tend to be happier (yes this is a real read) also I think he might be softing that he is the vigi

Lar... should also not be giving me as many phases as he is to "let me cook" on the zenith read. He should be asking for it before EOD, maybe this is wolf him trying to keep things away from me? idk how to put it and it is selfish.

This is more complex than I thought it was. Perhaps I should not have liked Lar's posts as much as I did. I will continue to evaluate him. I think he would be a horrible first kill at the given moment, regardless.

raeko- there is less here, but there is GOOD VIBES ABOUND is probably the tl;dr
Firstly, let me say I am happy that no one has yet tried to give any read on how she has attempted to summon people with her votes. GOOD JOB EVERYONE

I like a lot of her questions/statements and haven't disliked any. The way she questioned roundbox right after he said something I despised was the first moment, and stuff in like #171 to hopecaster is like
basically what my read on hopecaster was at the time, which is awesome.

Would kill

Nakah- Has not earned the right to live. (I have since reevaluated this position to prioritizing killing other people. If his slot is just going to get modkilled, that's pretty awesome in and of itself)

roundbox- post #60 genuinely like... I struggle to find the right words, but I think it is "pisses me off." This is OMGUS, this discards too much of what he has done, but it just makes no sense, like voting me for being right about the state of inactivity in the thread feels genuinely too wacky for town roundbox? I don't know whether I am discussing hopecaster or roundbox first in this reads list, but I think the same Chinese parable illustrates the struggle that I am having with reading either of them.

Lu Su placed his hand on Lü Meng's shoulder and said: "I heard you were previously a mere warrior. But now, you have taken up scholarly pursuits and you are no longer that Meng under Wu." Lü Meng replied:

"When scholars part ways for three days, they will see each other in a different light when they meet again later."

my point is that it has been a long-ass time since we've played, at least on FFR, perhaps some of you have played together on other sites, I have not. Hopecaster **IS** different than I am used to him being, not in the way Lar worded it, but he is less flail-y, like more focused and stuff, and he has talked about his process there (I'll try to focus more on roundbox)

I don't think what roundbox said about me doing that as a wolf makes any fucking sense from town roundbox. It feels like someone's guess as to what a wolf might pivot into doing for a passing amount of time, without knowing how awkward/jarring it is. Like raeko (who should know roundbox better than I) immediately responds with "uhhh, yeah, I think I'm gonna go with unplayably inactive on this one" in the very next post. The way you unvoted was maybe marginally towny, I guess? rereading further I forgot I (generously, I should say) chalked it up to just getting things going in the thread, but I feel less generous now on a reread. idgi roundman.

arp- essentially stands accused of the high crime of not being townie. In previous games, arp has rolled town in all of them, and been essentially universally townread in all of them. arps insightful questions/conclusions (more questions) have made them stand out as someone wolves have identified as a priority nightkill. This is completely, completely lacking from the current game and I have been surprised that no one else has commented on it. #176 feels kind of awkwardly logic'd (this is a verb, don't check me on it), even, because my reasoning hasn't universally made sense to anyone, and it is somewhat contradicted later in the same post when arp says that my reasoning is suspicious on zenith.

zenith- he was under the 5 posts (as was nakah, nakah in no way looks good for it), and he didn't make the posts he needed to make. He appears to have not attempted to, and I *think* this is because he got pinged in wolfchat about his activity level not needing to be more, and he was able to sleep instead and promise to put forth the effort he promised in his first post on the later days instead. (this was my hypothesis, but it was not confirmed until later, but I couldn't think of any other plausible reason)
I think that this only happens with access to wolfchat, and a partner who can convey this. Zenith even mentions checking the thread a bit, but made no posts. People like Arp and hopecaster, who were in similar boats, all posted.

This read SUCKS to make, but I genuinely think that zenith only plays the way he did if he has access to wolfchat, and learns of the phase delay via wolfchat, rather than the thread.

anyways
just learned that nakah only RISKS being modkilled, as pointed out by lar
FUCK
hate that
it probably does mean that he would be replaced first, if possible

anyways this is what I've got, I don't feel FANTASTIC about it in short, I do feel like there's
pretty likely?
to be a wolf between zenith and arp, like there's just too much weirdness there, too much that I feel good about

NORMALLY I have a big town circle and only a few people I want to kill in a day, like 3 (technically 4 if I am being mean to roundbox) is a very high number for me, but I feel good enough about it

[mellon_collie]

Yeah if Nakah would be replaced and everybody else is around this is a totally different situation than when we thought EOD was happening before and we had like 5 inactive people, I think we should definitely go for someone else

[SubaruPoptart]

On break: wanna see some stuff on arp cuz i have no real gauge on their state rn. Wanna see some analysis. Fully unsure if I'll get office time and it's goddamn snowing so I'll have to book it home real quick later on.

For the time being my end vote is either leetic, sunfan, or arp depending on what happens later.

I'm guttin with all the discussion today that it's one of them but my stance on leet and sunfan's really in the air.

I'm goin roundbox as a summon ritual cuz i know he's gotta have some good stuff when he pops in too; whenever that's possible for him.

The only people I'm feeling decently good about atm are raeko and lar; lar's been puttin in work and i understand raeko's approach a lil bit more.

Sf and 1337 I'm cautious of but trying to get on-board with, not full wolflean but i got my eye out

Zenith i still need to form stuff on. Pointing out sf's potential bullshittery (cuz i getchu with what you were saying but i'm still figuring out how to pick up on that) was of note but i lost track of where that train went.

Nakah needs to exist and i believe that's everyone? Gotta punch back in

[_Zenith_]

Sunfan I am almost impressed with the sheer amount of tinfoil you have wrapped about you my friend

[SubaruPoptart]

Will have to go through sf's reads as i done just got ninja'd, in due time

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Sunfan I am almost impressed with the sheer amount of tinfoil you have wrapped about you my friend

Like, I can't even vote you because I respect the effort put into this hat, and even if I did, I wouldn't agree with it because it's one of the only few threads the game has moving forward w/ it.

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Lar... should also not be giving me as many phases as he is to "let me cook" on the zenith read. He should be asking for it before EOD, maybe this is wolf him trying to keep things away from me? idk how to put it and it is selfish.

This is more complex than I thought it was. Perhaps I should not have liked Lar's posts as much as I did. I will continue to evaluate him. I think he would be a horrible first kill at the given moment, regardless.

I initially did ask for it before EOD tho? And then you said the thing I heard and I gave you space for it like damn

I also did go back and answer the Raeko question with a quote from the actual post that, once I remembered it, I worded it like 75% seriously. You responded to other parts of that post; did you just not see it? I thought I made it clear that it wouldn't be my reason for a Raeko vote

I don't know if I follow you on the Arp thing. I do remember him prodding a lot but he was super new and most of his prodding where good faith questions on how to strategize the game. If he came asking about why a wolf would do something basic now, I don't think we'd feel the same way. "Not towny enough" is fine when everyone is tied for scumread but are you really at that point?

I guess I will ISO Zenith in a minute and see if I can see what you do but I am very likely not moving my vote there. If I vote for an active player right now it might just be Raeko or Round.

or Leetic, who btw I think you are grossly over5stating their contributions to the thread.