TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

[Tps222]

Nah I have some very interesting information to share but haven't had a break since D2 started to put it altogether. Sorry for the the tease, probably looking at post 5 PM EST for me to clarify.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Lahkesis

^^^Before I begin with reads, like I said in my post above, I wanted to address something lol:


I feel like now is the time in the game where I should come out with that I'm actually Nakah, aka Lightknight924 from these forums, and I have played a lot of TWG here in the past lolol I was a member since 2004-5 or so....

I had to join this game as Lahkesis because it's honestly the only account I could recover the information to. I for some reason can't access the old Lightknight924 email anymore and I forget the Nakah e-mail...so this was what came up when I saw signups and rushed to signup.

I signed up bc I thought it'd be fun to play in a game with both everyone but especially tps as an incognito alias lol...Although I feel like perhaps the nature of my posting and my avatar choice could have given me away to some people. Tps being a relative(don't worry he's an hour and a half away so there's no OOTC communication) -It would be fun to play since that probably hasn't happened in 100 TWGs or so.

Also anyways lastbonehican is also my friend from irl(but also lives like 45 minutes away so no OOTC we promised each other before the game started)....

^Normally I would have left lastbonehican out of this bc why should I call him out? Yet since it is the next Day phase and things are gettin' more srs....I feel like calling him out to put his honesty in check now = P bc I still have reasons to sus him in this game. Some others might remember him playing on this forum a few times in the past under his thelastbonehican account...but he probably lost access to that account as well. He was more of a TWG'er from NinSheetMusic back in the day and on my twg discord.


ANYWAYS, onto reads...Since I'm Lightknight924/Nakah...I can kinda say that I knew slightly how to view Tps, roundbox, and lastbonehican's post styles from the beginning...I actually was more interested in asking questions towards roundbox's way in the following phase, so it's a tad sad that the remaining wolf chose them first. You could read that as a bs defense statement, but I kid you not....Would have been fun to parse their mind in discussion and then come out as Nakah in the thread, rather than post mortem like this.


Ah well...Onto TPS....Before the day ended I wanted to bring up my thoughts on Tps....I feel like he dropped into the first day phase chat a bit late and with a passive "hey guys I'm here, just busy on fridays etc gonna catch up and hit ya back up soon with some stuff etcetc" Which is natural and all for a first day post to duck in and say hey, but that's also the strange thing to me, because I feel that in the past twg's, Tps is one to take matters and timings very seriously. I would have expected more early influence out of him for the first Day.

The next thing is kind of along the same vibes I'm getting from everyone else about his posting style since roundbox was killed and what happens when focus turned on freezin.

So all I mean to point attention to with 'IS TPS SUSPECT OR IS IT IN MY HEAD?' Is that Tps did vote back towards Roundbox at the end of the day, and Roundbox ended up wolf. Tps is being a bit cautious and timing with his posts, but whether its calculative silence or just dull township checking in and out is yet to be seen imo...Like I said anyone that wanted to wolf roundbox off this early is someone that wanted to create fuzz in the air so the towns dont know what to do by silencing the the people who will stir up things one at a time.

Round was wiped out because that's typical of them. It's actually a lose lose situation for round very often. Because if they aren't wolved night 1, they usually get the "HES A WOLF!!" treatment. This however gives me info that it was someone who's played here at least a couple times.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Tps222

Nah I have some very interesting information to share but haven't had a break since D2 started to put it altogether. Sorry for the the tease, probably looking at post 5 PM EST for me to clarify.

I'm counting down the minutes. You better be here!!

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by roundbox

I reFUUUUUUUUSE to be wolfread this game

Looks like you did it, little buddy!

[blindreper1179]

I forgot.
tps222

[blindreper1179]

How much rent do you pay to live in this thread subaru?

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Tier 2 - Frustrating but probably town at heart: Blindreper

I'm so sorry. 😭😭😭 Definitely an accident. Even if I was a wolf, I would of picked someone else to lynch. I know you said it hasn't happened yet, but your night kill material. Lynching you; unless it's very obvious you're a wolf, it's too damning on one's play to just let that go. Everyone will be dumpster diving into every one who voted you. Might be why some people suspect me this game.

[star-crossed]

The Nakah reveal - to be quite honest, I am only vaguely familiar of Nakah being somebody on this website that tends to make very long messages but that is about it. So I guess this makes some sense. He sounds like he knows TPS and Bone really well though, and at least one of you are town, so maybe you will know what how to integrate this info??

Also, over my dead body would you guys look at Subaru before like final 3 if at all. He was literally already the most town and then he sniped Freezin??

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Round was wiped out because that's typical of them. It's actually a lose lose situation for round very often. Because if they aren't wolved night 1, they usually get the "HES A WOLF!!" treatment. This however gives me info that it was someone who's played here at least a couple times.

Maybe this was true at some point in the past like before my time, but not in recent history. E.g. if you scroll through the bottom of the TWG history thread, there are several examples of him living to the end as town. Mostly I saw him getting killed like Night 3 when he is killed? I was assuming that he was shot because he voted off Freezin and they were hoping he was a special role on top of it.

[Tps222]

Ok, time to start providing context. I am the Town Tracker and I targeted Blind last night.

It was a successful choice as he targeted someone as well (me!).

Initially I assumed this meant I was going to browse to the thread and find myself wolfed. Instead, Roundbox was gone, which makes some sense given his strength as a player and his approach on D1.

Let's look at some general post context from D1:

Originally Posted by FreezinIce

By principle I won't be leaving a vote on anyone I deem inactive, I want some spice to flow, even if I'm not going to be around to harvest it

Hmm, I wonder who was inactive at that time period. Let's see what Blind posted after that call out (the parent quote doesn't translate unfortunately, but I highlighted the post numbers in the quotes below that I think link to relevant context.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

This is wolfy behavior. Stating obvious town defenses.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

This post alone, even before I read the last part, gives off "I've played my fair share of twg". I like it.

To answer you about roundbox, they're almost always wolf read and voted out either d0 or d1. I do agree it's a power play but it doesn't lean them one way or the other imo. Some may disagree.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

What it do bro

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

This is some nonteamwork bs. Having someone willing to vote off somebody to kill a streak isn't something we need here.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

Wolf

Lets look at role meta:

Originally Posted by roundbox

I'd just call it speculation
typically 9 player is 2 wolf without a special setup making it more balanced/more difficult. with the host saying it's a very easy setup, I wouldn't imagine more than 2 wolves. Look up most 9 player setups and you'll find 2 wolves.

personally, I find talk about the setup in this fashion to be not indicative of alignment. Sure, a wolf could ask wolf chat, but they could also ask the thread in the same way and postulate. Is what Jinx posted towny? Not particularly. Is it wolfy? Also not particularly. It's just kinda there.

Sorry to approach this from game-meta, but there's no way that we have 5 vanilla greens+2blues vs 2 vanilla reds. It's much more likely that I am the only blue, and that it's 6 greens, 1 blue, 1 vanilla red and 1 master red.

D2 starts, and look at the distancing attempt from Freezn' for blind and then the immediate pivot to attacking me (he seer'd me and found I was blue).

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

GUYS I AM SO SORRY I MISSED EOD. I'M SO GLAD STAR IS ALIVE AND I CALLED IT FREEZIN WAS A WOLF. LET'S GOOOOOOO

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

TPS, why did you stay on your vote? You were here late enough to change it, yet you stayed.

Defense of not voting for Freezin' but "hinting" at it.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

This right here. I never came back before EOD to make my vote change.

Originally Posted by Tps222

Nah I have some very interesting information to share but haven't had a break since D2 started to put it altogether. Sorry for the the tease, probably looking at post 5 PM EST for me to clarify.

Seeing as I was alive but targeted, this means Blind is the master wolf/seer-enabled wolf and found me out last night (nice hit btw) and then focused on me from the get-go.

Even if you don't believe me, you can lynch me today and I'll full role cardflip and then you can lynch Blind afterwards.

The only way we lose is if I'm wrong about the meta and both Blind and I are green-aligned Blues, but that seems less likely than what I've suggested, and I think this approach has a higher % of producing victory than if I hadn't claimed.

I figured out multi-quote! (I think?)

[LastOfTheBonehicans]

Alright going to give my best attempt at chiming in here. Sorry for any misspellings. Had Lasik on Friday and that whole oh you can drive after 24 hours... yeah thats a damn lie. It does however get worse before it gets better.

That said, totally get the call out for disappearing. Believe what you will, but mainly had to do with lack of vision and I was comfortable enough with my vote that realistically I probably wasnt gonna change it without a drastic shift anyways.

As for my reads on the two who are no longer with us.

Roindbox posted more than Freezin hence why I analyzed them more. Honestly, I think my take was more positive neutral to roundbox and negative neutral towards freezin based on differing of opinions. I even referenced how freezin took a stance that more aligned with star and that roundbox's take aligned more with how I view inactives.

With that said, to stir the pot up a little, I have think out loud....

There were 2 maybe 3 real people questioning and giving reads on the first day. Roundbox and Star. You could throw my hat in the ring there, as i tried to provide value in my responses.

One of them is dead, one just showed up to the party here on the second day phase, the other thinks I should die.

I pointed out that it seems that stars playstyle is probably respected here and they can dictate the pace of the game. If I were a wolf and played an aggressive style and my voice held weight in the forum, I would want all others trying to assert their voice to die. Not saying that everyone would blindly follow, but look at how things have been worded.

Im paraphrasing here because I dont have a shot at adding the quote in right now... but star worded their call out of tps, myself, and Nakah as... unless they get good at clearing their names they're the next 3. Also when voting for me, said idk how you can defend your way out of this.

I will do my best to respond to the inevitable call out before end of day, but if not, everything i read says eye sight should be back tomorrow and I'll respond.

[blindreper1179]

unvote

[blindreper1179]

This is what I like to see!!!! Some of this is correct, except I'm not a wolf. I'm the towns Seer. I was suspicious of tps, so I did choose them. It came back "tps has a power" or something like that. I ALSO assumed 1 town power role. This puts us in a not so great predicament. Power roles are now on the chopping block, and by that I mean night kills. I don't believe tps is town because 2 power roles in a vanilla game with most likely 2 wolves, and they have no powers? Or did we both choose the wrong person? Idk.

LET THE GAME BEGIN!!!

[star-crossed]

Uhhh, ok let me do some setup research but one tracker vs a special wolf seems underpowered for town?

Blind can you tell me your exact role name or do you not want to?

[JinxGrace]

Everyone wrote walls. Too tired (back at work to read them all)

[Tps222]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Uhhh, ok let me do some setup research but one tracker vs a special wolf seems underpowered for town?

Blind can you tell me your exact role name or do you not want to?

Careful about wording (I think asking for role name is okay but seems hard to tell), I had to consult the Rules thread myself before claiming because I was concerned about how this line of questioning would work, this is how it reads:

" 2) A player may not post their role PM, in part or in full, or any other communication they may have had with the host. Threatening to post your PM is not allowed. A player may not make reference to any communication they may have had with the host. You may not post, in part or in full, any part of any private conversation you may have had (wolfchat or masonchat). All of the above refers to quoting directly using the forum feature, posting a screenshot or screenshots, attempting to determine alignments by asking someone how their PM was worded, etc."

I think Blind's attempt at vague "I'm a seer, it said TPS has a power! That could mean bad!" and then immediately coming after me seems pretty reckless if he thought I had 50/50 shot of being a blue.

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I have a powerful feeling that tps knows something we don't. And that feels wolfy to me. I want his story.

There's other ways than directly calling me out as "wolfy" to sus out why I was slow-playing the day, especially if you thought I could be a blue...

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

I was suspicious of tps, so I did choose them. It came back "tps has a power" or something like that. I ALSO assumed 1 town power role.

...Unless you were convinced you were the only blue, of which case you should have auto-claimed and outed me as a wolf. Oh wait, you are claiming you thought that though, but you didn't, convenient!

I can't imagine why you wouldn't claim and vote me, so it doesn't add up and I'm sticking with my vote.

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by LastOfTheBonehicans

Alright going to give my best attempt at chiming in here. Sorry for any misspellings. Had Lasik on Friday and that whole oh you can drive after 24 hours... yeah thats a damn lie. It does however get worse before it gets better.

That said, totally get the call out for disappearing. Believe what you will, but mainly had to do with lack of vision and I was comfortable enough with my vote that realistically I probably wasnt gonna change it without a drastic shift anyways.

As for my reads on the two who are no longer with us.

Roindbox posted more than Freezin hence why I analyzed them more. Honestly, I think my take was more positive neutral to roundbox and negative neutral towards freezin based on differing of opinions. I even referenced how freezin took a stance that more aligned with star and that roundbox's take aligned more with how I view inactives.

With that said, to stir the pot up a little, I have think out loud....

There were 2 maybe 3 real people questioning and giving reads on the first day. Roundbox and Star. You could throw my hat in the ring there, as i tried to provide value in my responses.

One of them is dead, one just showed up to the party here on the second day phase, the other thinks I should die.

I pointed out that it seems that stars playstyle is probably respected here and they can dictate the pace of the game. If I were a wolf and played an aggressive style and my voice held weight in the forum, I would want all others trying to assert their voice to die. Not saying that everyone would blindly follow, but look at how things have been worded.

Im paraphrasing here because I dont have a shot at adding the quote in right now... but star worded their call out of tps, myself, and Nakah as... unless they get good at clearing their names they're the next 3. Also when voting for me, said idk how you can defend your way out of this.

I will do my best to respond to the inevitable call out before end of day, but if not, everything i read says eye sight should be back tomorrow and I'll respond.

I get that regardless of what side you are on, you must want to stand up for yourself, but I think you are grossly misrepresenting the facts here and I think if you are town you should focus on catching up.

Also, best wishes with the surgery recovery of course. No one is judging you for being away. We are just trying to find the last wolf, simple as.

[star-crossed]

Yeah like most turbos are 9 players and non mystery so this is a good reference for basic setups https://www.flashflashrevolution.com...d.php?t=147537

We have literally had tracker + backup that takes over the tracker ability when they die vs two vanilla wolves. Also even a seer or vigi or jailor which are more consistently useful are typically put against no wolf special power. I feel like tracker fits better in a setup with more power too, so it can see more things. So for blind to be a wolf here, there almost certainly has to be another town power out there in my opinion.

TPS, I actually think his behaviour is extremely consistent with his claim. He literally said this morning that you seem to have secrets, and he has not been trying to solve other people because he was entirely focused on you.

I get that you have been focused on this all day, but I am extremely sus of what Bone just posted and I would like to please urge you to watch what he says today closely. Thank you.

[Tps222]

@star I think my latest post slipped in while you were typing, but I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts after that, because I don't under Blind's approach if he's telling the truth.

[star-crossed]

Well like I doubt it was 50/50 in his mind because he targeted you because he thought you were sus?

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by Tps222

Careful about wording (I think asking for role name is okay but seems hard to tell), I had to consult the Rules thread myself before claiming because I was concerned about how this line of questioning would work, this is how it reads:

I think Blind's attempt at vague "I'm a seer, it said TPS has a power! That could mean bad!" and then immediately coming after me seems pretty reckless if he thought I had 50/50 shot of being a blue.



There's other ways than directly calling me out as "wolfy" to sus out why I was slow-playing the day, especially if you thought I could be a blue...





...Unless you were convinced you were the only blue, of which case you should have auto-claimed and outed me as a wolf. Oh wait, you are claiming you thought that though, but you didn't, convenient!

I can't imagine why you wouldn't claim and vote me, so it doesn't add up and I'm sticking with my vote.

All good man. I'll tell you why. I didn't want to out myself and make me a target for night kills, but you did that work for me. Like you said previously, you like to make plays and I like to do the same. I used a very particular word in one of my posts to help defend my claim. Let me find it.

And also as the same as you, I didn't want to get modkilled for saying my pm verbatim, so I used my own words. I see where you're coming from, but the push seems a little too strong. Quite the opposite of me. I pushed from the get go because I knew my info. Makes sense. You came and didn't push. You came in running with back hands with my name on them. In this type of situation, after my claims from your post, we should not vote either of us and figure things out. That's why I unvoted. We're two different people, but complete opposite people? Idk. I still feel like your a wolf in-between a rock and a hard place, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.