TWG 209: Jeff's Just Here to Party GAME THREAD

[JinxGrace]

It was for this:

Originally Posted by JinxGrace

Lakesis also don’t think you answered what you meant?

Few minutes later I posted that was going to sleep because was really tired and brain was slow and just needed sleep. Then

Originally Posted by Lahkesis

putting a safety kinda vote on [twg]jinxgrace[/twg], because there's a lot I wish to address

Another person then asked if we could have a taste besides the number thing and Lahkesis explained.

So I felt ignored when I what meant or if there was the “a lot I wished to address” nothing was said until someone else asked. But if you have a lot to say then say before goes to night phase. Wolf behavior

[JinxGrace]

That was reply to subaru^

[JinxGrace]

@star and @blind pairing was because of how Blind entered the thread. I didn’t realize the red was a vote at the beginning of the game. But the enter action a little felt wonky and thought it’s hard decipher because I don’t know previous relationships here.

Also for reply to @Subaru question

[JinxGrace]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

This right here. I never came back before EOD to make my vote change.

Alright. I played one game on MU with freeze and thought their/his playstyle was different here but you guys play with him a lot so I feel that you would have voted him earlier if you really thought he was wolf and not wait til dayend. So I don’t see how you can take credit when two people voted him and at least 3 others were susing them. Are you friends with him? Also are you friends with Star? My earlier post was wondering about your focus on Star and how that played out with how you entered the thread?

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by SubaruPoptart

They might've actually not been there for EoD to be honest, last post was 8:16 PM. Still not a great look.

8:16 PM Post in question.

Cuz yeah I'm curious as well, seems like they were throwing sus on rb at first, then went the "they got an opportunity" route on Jinx and Lahke before dippin. I don't feel confident puttin any stock in phrasing but "seems to be a popular target" in the first one referring to Blind doesn't vibe with me very well. Makes me feel like I'm tinfoiling but just seemed like "yeah I'm fine with takin them out" which doesn't really seem town-brain to me.

I was between Jinx and TPS for wolf; Blind included because like how I was sayin roundbox was too gamer for me to properly read him, you're a similar case. I'm still cautious of gettin pocketed but quite honestly I'm down to narrow it between Jinx and TPS, way way way stronger lean for TPS cuz of all this, Jinx is only there solely cuz of PoE fmpov.

If y'all got a case for Lahke/Bone I'm down to hear it cuz I'm pretty convinced they're chill.

This is interesting analysis with TPS, thanks for this.

Also, a note for you: I will not be here for end of day again so please let me know if you want to know anything specific from me in advance. I am just going to call everything as I see it up to the point that I can be here. Especially if new stuff happens of relevance late, please don't feel like chained to put too much stock into whatever my opinions were. I am town this game, but I am fallible, and this is a decision we are making together.

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by JinxGrace

Alright. I played one game on MU with freeze and thought their/his playstyle was different here but you guys play with him a lot so I feel that you would have voted him earlier if you really thought he was wolf and not wait til dayend. So I don’t see how you can take credit when two people voted him and at least 3 others were susing them. Are you friends with him? Also are you friends with Star? My earlier post was wondering about your focus on Star and how that played out with how you entered the thread?

Do you want my take on some of this or do you have any concerns that what I would say would bias what he would say?

[JinxGrace]

With bone, I mostly got praise from them for point out something. Don’t remember what now and then that was it. But that made me like them. Then later paranoid because they started the day strong but then wondered if was pocket play. I just need more from them because very under the radar

[JinxGrace]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Do you want my take on some of this or do you have any concerns that what I would say would bias what he would say?

I am interested in your analysis. So far all your stuff has been one of the better posts here. I only felt one thing was little off yesterday. But I don’t know why it bias?

[star-crossed]

Sorry I was just trying to clarify if you were asking him specifically about some of that as a reaction test or specific reason of that nature and by extension me giving my side of the story might mess it up? It sounds like no?

[JinxGrace]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Sorry I was just trying to clarify if you were asking him specifically about some of that as a reaction test or specific reason of that nature and by extension me giving my side of the story might mess it up? It sounds like no?

(Technically even if it was a test, how other people react to a post is also a test)(you still learn something from it)(even if the target was different)Go ahead

[star-crossed]

Originally Posted by JinxGrace

Alright. I played one game on MU with freeze and thought their/his playstyle was different here but you guys play with him a lot so I feel that you would have voted him earlier if you really thought he was wolf and not wait til dayend. So I don’t see how you can take credit when two people voted him and at least 3 others were susing them. Are you friends with him? Also are you friends with Star? My earlier post was wondering about your focus on Star and how that played out with how you entered the thread?

Freezin was somewhat in his normal range but on the more sus side of it was my take. Usually he posts a bit more so that we would have more to go based on. Only Blind can answer why Blind didn't move his vote after calling out two different people as sus so yeah.

I have been playing on and off since 2017 I think - and for a good stretch of that I felt like the "new kid" in a small community. Blind played a lot of TWG between like 2014-2018, and was only back for the weird TWG 200 I have referenced a bit, which I do not even remember if I talked to him during. That is why we were greeting vaguely like old friends but also that he was apparently unsure I'd remember him. I have never really talked to him outside of the gmaes but I do find him funny.

Freezin also has played a good bit on and off from 2014 or so onward I think, so they have played together somewhere between a few and several times though I have no important memories of their interactions in games personally. Subaru is newer than us (it's harder for me to get exact dates as easily because the history thread stopped being updated) and tends to leave gaps when he plays so I sometimes observe that he feels like he has to relearn some aspects of the game. There are other people better at reading him than me that I lean on for it sometimes.

roundbox has played the most, including predating Freezin and blind I think. Less so in the past few games though.

[star-crossed]

Sorry, the lean on others for reading him sentence actually is about Freezin. I added that in the wrong spot.

[star-crossed]

LastOfTheBonehicans

This is partly process of elimination so I am not too sure how you can defend against it except by helping find the real wolf if it is not you.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by JinxGrace

Alright. I played one game on MU with freeze and thought their/his playstyle was different here but you guys play with him a lot so I feel that you would have voted him earlier if you really thought he was wolf and not wait til dayend. So I don’t see how you can take credit when two people voted him and at least 3 others were susing them. Are you friends with him? Also are you friends with Star? My earlier post was wondering about your focus on Star and how that played out with how you entered the thread?

I don't come on here often that much anymore. Playing this game was on a whim. Other people that I talk to more so than just thread comments, I have on discord. Star is a missed connection is all.

[star-crossed]

Pinnacle of towniness-
SubaruPoptart

The people that might be wolves but we probably do not have time to vote off unless people lower down figure out how to clear themselves-
Tier 1 - I have lost the plot if they are a wolf??: JinxGrace
Tier 2 - Frustrating but probably town at heart: Blindreper

The three vote outs I currently would suggest to win the game-
Bone, TPS, Lakh

I think Bone is charismatic and had a decent D0. I think now knowing Freezin's a wolf, and looking back at what Bone was pushing and why he was pushing it (TPS/blind), I can see that as just being the wolf agenda and that he just didn't show up to fulfill it. Currently, I see this as being the most likely scenario, hence my vote.

There are a lot of questions surrounding TPS. He will probably need some strong analysis to not get voted off at some stage just based on the overall collective's opinions. I think there is some chance that he is a wolf, and I also fear that is more of an 'easy' answer than a 'right' answer. It's possible it just feels unsatisfying to me at the current moment because his mindset is more obscure but I feel like no one other than roundbox has like given him any credit for what he does have going for him.

Lakh seems like a strong player that is getting stuck in their head a bit or does not have enough time. I think there can be an edge case where they wrote a couple of insanely good posts as a wolf and then got stuck. I think voting them would hurt my heart though!

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There is not a lot of free time left in my day (ain't time zones fun!) so I was sorta hoping to slowroll this more and see more interactions before nailing this down. I'll still try to pop in for questions and commentary if I can but yeah.

[SubaruPoptart]

I got a heating pad and 2 ibuprofen, hips are killin me for some reason so it took a bit to get to the computer. Gonna try and attempt to go out to the mall as well today if possible, provided hips co-operate. I'll be gone for a while but pokin in on phone now that I got that set up.

Originally Posted by star-crossed

This is interesting analysis with TPS, thanks for this.

Also, a note for you: I will not be here for end of day again so please let me know if you want to know anything specific from me in advance*. I am just going to call everything as I see it up to the point that I can be here. Especially if new stuff happens of relevance late, please don't feel like chained to put too much stock into whatever my opinions were. I am town this game, but I am fallible, and this is a decision we are making together.

Your post about Jinx definitely cleared some stuff up.

Basically, what Jinx has been doing does not look much to me like stereotypical Wolf vs Wolf stuff, although I think I would feel more confidence in this if we had more to go on from Freezin's end of it?

I hadn't been considering interactions between potential wolf and Freezin, mainly just lookin at people's individual behavior.

I actually also think that her being slightly inconsistent in her explanation of why she voted Bone at the end of day 0 vs. today, sounds more to me like someone who left the game as a tired town player, more than someone who was deciding their vote from a wolf perspective.

Also very much something I was not considering.

Originally Posted by JinxGrace

It was for this:



Few minutes later I posted that was going to sleep because was really tired and brain was slow and just needed sleep. Then



Another person then asked if we could have a taste besides the number thing and Lahkesis explained.

So I felt ignored when I what meant or if there was the “a lot I wished to address” nothing was said until someone else asked. But if you have a lot to say then say before goes to night phase. Wolf behavior
@star and @blind pairing was because of how Blind entered the thread. I didn’t realize the red was a vote at the beginning of the game. But the enter action a little felt wonky and thought it’s hard decipher because I don’t know previous relationships here.

Also for reply to @Subaru question

Tired/ouchies brain goin atm myself, corroborating your posts with each point Star had made I do believe this. I'm havin a hard time parsing a lot of your posts but I absolutely missed these things when making my couple initially.

I cannot think of any decent questions I'd have atm that haven't already been ninja'd in the time it took me to type this to be quite honest [as of #255], I'm kinda waiting for Bone and Lahke to come back.

[SubaruPoptart]

Originally Posted by star-crossed

Pinnacle of towniness-
SubaruPoptart

The people that might be wolves but we probably do not have time to vote off unless people lower down figure out how to clear themselves-
Tier 1 - I have lost the plot if they are a wolf??: JinxGrace
Tier 2 - Frustrating but probably town at heart: Blindreper

The three vote outs I currently would suggest to win the game-
Bone, TPS, Lakh

I think Bone is charismatic and had a decent D0. I think now knowing Freezin's a wolf, and looking back at what Bone was pushing and why he was pushing it (TPS/blind), I can see that as just being the wolf agenda and that he just didn't show up to fulfill it. Currently, I see this as being the most likely scenario, hence my vote.

There are a lot of questions surrounding TPS. He will probably need some strong analysis to not get voted off at some stage just based on the overall collective's opinions. I think there is some chance that he is a wolf, and I also fear that is more of an 'easy' answer than a 'right' answer. It's possible it just feels unsatisfying to me at the current moment because his mindset is more obscure but I feel like no one other than roundbox has like given him any credit for what he does have going for him.

Lakh seems like a strong player that is getting stuck in their head a bit or does not have enough time. I think there can be an edge case where they wrote a couple of insanely good posts as a wolf and then got stuck. I think voting them would hurt my heart though!

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There is not a lot of free time left in my day (ain't time zones fun!) so I was sorta hoping to slowroll this more and see more interactions before nailing this down. I'll still try to pop in for questions and commentary if I can but yeah.

Where I stand atm, I might have some subconscious tunnelling going on with Jinx. Coming to this conclusion cuz I'd asked Jinx about the Blind/Star pairing already on 161. That is my bad; gonna have to start iso'ing myself too goin forward.

I feel Blind's acting pretty standard for Him, like y'all and himself were sayin he hasn't really played recently, nor do I think have I ever played with him outside of 200 (which I'd lowkey entirely forgotten about til it was mentioned for the first time, that game was fucked). Idrk what his playstyle is but comin from Blind as Blind yeah that seems like Blind; not much masking or angling I can personally pick up on.

Very curious about how TPS' reads'll shake out. Even when I was tunnelling on Jinx with the 50/50 on them I am admittedly more certain about TPS. You got a point with the "it's prolly the easy answer" though.

I haven't been considering Bone/Lahke in any of my votes but I'mma re-read em when I got the brain to. Havin different lenses/isos to read alongside it'll prolly help me figure stuff out with those two. I'd just been reading em as individuals like I was sayin and that was not very effective.

[Lahkesis]

Rip to Roundbox....was a bit surprised he was wolfed first...I would have thought that bc he is an og FFR'r her would have been given graces to exist longer in game no matter the play style.

It makes me think that a reason for the wolves deciding to wolf him was a choice out of wary-ness/fear, like they knew he was going to probably narrow things down a lot day 2.

So, first thing I want to say is that blindrepr1179 basically gave me a "confirmed town" feel by his first D2 post that said, "GUYS I AM SO SORRY I MISSED EOD. I'M SO GLAD STAR IS ALIVE AND I CALLED IT FREEZIN WAS A WOLF. LET'S GOOOOOOO
"

^Usually a wolf wouldn't post so earnestly proud of calling out a wolf with their vote right away like that. Seemed like an innocent compulsion which reads town to me.

So I guess it's worth looking into who was Roundbox looking at with suspicion? Well Tps got his vote at the end of the day. I was his suspicion first, but then he switched the heat off me and removed the vote...which at first I thought was a bit wishy washy and suspect, but honestly that proved to wrong because he was human and seemed to go on a more thought-out trail in the end...

I had wanted to post about Tps right before Day 1 ended, but I missed the chance because I returned to the thread in the last 10 minutes or so and couldn't post fast enough, but anyways....



Before I do this though I want to make a double post intentionally to address something I wanted to do before EoD Saturday, but missed my chance bc everything happened too quick and I didnt get to make the posts I had wanted to first.

[Lahkesis]

^^^Before I begin with reads, like I said in my post above, I wanted to address something lol:


I feel like now is the time in the game where I should come out with that I'm actually Nakah, aka Lightknight924 from these forums, and I have played a lot of TWG here in the past lolol I was a member since 2004-5 or so....

I had to join this game as Lahkesis because it's honestly the only account I could recover the information to. I for some reason can't access the old Lightknight924 email anymore and I forget the Nakah e-mail...so this was what came up when I saw signups and rushed to signup.

I signed up bc I thought it'd be fun to play in a game with both everyone but especially tps as an incognito alias lol...Although I feel like perhaps the nature of my posting and my avatar choice could have given me away to some people. Tps being a relative(don't worry he's an hour and a half away so there's no OOTC communication) -It would be fun to play since that probably hasn't happened in 100 TWGs or so.

Also anyways lastbonehican is also my friend from irl(but also lives like 45 minutes away so no OOTC we promised each other before the game started)....

^Normally I would have left lastbonehican out of this bc why should I call him out? Yet since it is the next Day phase and things are gettin' more srs....I feel like calling him out to put his honesty in check now = P bc I still have reasons to sus him in this game. Some others might remember him playing on this forum a few times in the past under his thelastbonehican account...but he probably lost access to that account as well. He was more of a TWG'er from NinSheetMusic back in the day and on my twg discord.


ANYWAYS, onto reads...Since I'm Lightknight924/Nakah...I can kinda say that I knew slightly how to view Tps, roundbox, and lastbonehican's post styles from the beginning...I actually was more interested in asking questions towards roundbox's way in the following phase, so it's a tad sad that the remaining wolf chose them first. You could read that as a bs defense statement, but I kid you not....Would have been fun to parse their mind in discussion and then come out as Nakah in the thread, rather than post mortem like this.


Ah well...Onto TPS....Before the day ended I wanted to bring up my thoughts on Tps....I feel like he dropped into the first day phase chat a bit late and with a passive "hey guys I'm here, just busy on fridays etc gonna catch up and hit ya back up soon with some stuff etcetc" Which is natural and all for a first day post to duck in and say hey, but that's also the strange thing to me, because I feel that in the past twg's, Tps is one to take matters and timings very seriously. I would have expected more early influence out of him for the first Day.

The next thing is kind of along the same vibes I'm getting from everyone else about his posting style since roundbox was killed and what happens when focus turned on freezin.

So all I mean to point attention to with 'IS TPS SUSPECT OR IS IT IN MY HEAD?' Is that Tps did vote back towards Roundbox at the end of the day, and Roundbox ended up wolf. Tps is being a bit cautious and timing with his posts, but whether its calculative silence or just dull township checking in and out is yet to be seen imo...Like I said anyone that wanted to wolf roundbox off this early is someone that wanted to create fuzz in the air so the towns dont know what to do by silencing the the people who will stir up things one at a time.

[Lahkesis]

Ahh third post sorry....I wanted to say something to leave off where my thoughts are at, at the moment...


If Tps is town by any means, then I feel we should be looking at Subarupoptart this time more closely...I'm getting strong first Day vibes and something strikes me a bit off with that person.

I also would like to hear from lastbonehican as well soon because I do feel like he's got knowledge of how to approach the first day more than meets the eye, and if anyone might go after a strong player from early on, then he might be one of those people to take that risk to take them out.


I'll be back with more in a bit when I can study/absorb the past few pages a bit more. Hope by coming out as who I am might help town put things into perspective a bit meta wise with ideas idk. Hope it's not a death sentence over me = P