TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

[Hakulyte]

I'll just sleep and try to vote around 2pm10~20ish server time.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

I'll just say that I prefer the posts from your wolf game than your town game so, I guess that aligns with what's happening here.

I really need to ignore your posting style in the future tho and try to read you from something else.

Ok, I'm getting tired.

I meant that I still think you're likely to be wolfing here because I'm seeing similar stuff as in your wolf game.


I need to ignore how you format your posts tho.

[Hakulyte]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

I actually very rarely do worldbuilding, it's not part of the toolkit I typically use because the mafia teams tend to be larger and there are too many variables to easily keep track of!!! But I've lowkey always wanted to work on worldbuilding more because I'm not as strong in it, and what better time to do it than in a 4v2 scenario like this? Very compact, basically perfect to do some worldbuilding in!!

That being said, I did reread EoD again and unfortunately have not been able to find anything that would rule out the Leetic/MixMasterLar or Leetic/Hate teams though, so am just leaving it at that for now!!

Also, the way I'm approaching worldbuilding is fairly interaction-focused? Basically just trying to rule out worlds/narrowing things down from there, though I would like to practice some direct "team construction"-type things later if I have the time!!!

Yes, I've never seen you play before and have no idea how you typically play, outside of some meta shared like melon's that I've taken into account, but that doesn't really matter? The way I solve is keeping in mind the core difference between town and mafia, which is that town have no TMI; from that, a lot of town archetypes/characteristics can be found from displaying certain thought processes to certain interactions, all of which spiral out from that single tenet!!! Sure, no two players play exactly the same, but I believe that if you can identify that one key difference between town and mafia mindsets in a person, you can read anyone!!!!!

I'm certainly not the best at doing that, but from what I've seen, you're obvious town through the ways you've expressed paranoia that mafia would find difficult to fake/thought processes that display a lack of mafia agenda/genuine desire to solve that mafia would put less effort in because they already know the answer/that sort of thing, just a lot of different elements about your mindset that simply make more sense if they're coming from a town player rather than a mafia player!!

Sorry that got a bit long, I just like talking about mafia; hopefully it makes sense!!!

I really want to town read you for free just for that post because I feel like that's your honest thoughts on the topic. I also think this is really easy to do as a wolf because you have the truth in front of you. Welp.

[FreezinIce]

Votecount

thesunfan (1): Arapocalypse
leetic (1): thesunfan

[the sun fan]

I am not current on the phase at the moment
I am significantly busier today than anticipated
if I had known this in advance, I would not have been a sub

it'll be circa dinnertime that I can begin seriously posting

[the sun fan]

Oh right ara what are your pronouns again sry

[Hakulyte]

Woke up earlier. I guess I have like 30min or so.

[Hakulyte]

For the record and with the information available, I would probably vote Sunfan here because nothing has been posted that could potentially make me town read him so far.

For the sake of fairness tho, I might withhold that vote 'cause if I'm wrong that robs the opportunity for others to check in. (insta etc.)

[Hakulyte]

I guess I'll choose to trust Arapocalypse this game and ignore what I think I want to see.
I'm willing to town read leetic too. I don't think he has an agenda.

I could be wrong on H&H vs MML here. I wish I had more time to double check H&H. His narrative does make sense to me all game.

If there's a strategic wolf play in this game, it would have been MML moving to bugkid because it can justify both helping H&H and Weiss.

H&H claimed vt at last minute in the EoD. I kind of feel like he had nothing going on and was ready to flip and move on.

So, idk. Consider MML/Sunfan too I guess ?

[Hakulyte]

There's definitely a world where MML would attempt to vote out his "afk" partner by principle and kind of know he can just move away near the end because we have tendency to vote out lower posters over 0 posters.

At least, that's a pretty interesting scenario in my mind. I wouldn't entertain it before a Sunfan flip tho.

[Hakulyte]

leetic, can you unvote Sunfan for now ?

I'll vote Sunfan myself to have 1 vote and then you do your thing.

[Hakulyte]

Just [twgv]unvote[/twgv].

[Hakulyte]

Well, I guess I'm gone to work then and no vote. Sadge.

I really gtg.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

leetic, can you unvote Sunfan for now ?

I'll vote Sunfan myself to have 1 vote and then you do your thing.

Ara is the one currently voting sunfan, not me.

Speaking of, sunfan has yet to impress me with their posts

[leetic]

Also where the hell is MML

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by leetic

Ara is the one currently voting sunfan, not me.

Speaking of, sunfan has yet to impress me with their posts

Yeah, I know, I'm still not current
I'm having a real one today

I don't know when I will be able to play this game, I feel really bad because today wasn't supposed to be like this, I'm sorry friends.

I will, at the very least, make the last hour of the day, and I'll try for more.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Yeah, I know, I'm still not current
I'm having a real one today

I don't know when I will be able to play this game, I feel really bad because today wasn't supposed to be like this, I'm sorry friends.

I will, at the very least, make the last hour of the day, and I'll try for more.

Lame

Speaking of, I'm going to be busy the next few hours but should be able to return by 9 or 9:45 at the absolute latest

[MixMasterLar]

Caught up.

Those night kills smell and it reeks of blue hunting, that or the top towns are actually wolves. I honestly expected Leetic to die because of strong town consensus+an attempted swap from confirmed town to a different wagon, to me that makes Leetic about as clear as can be without more mechanics involved.

Ara is posting.... significantly different this phase from the last. That or I didnt pay near enough attention last time. There's an enthusiasm here I just didnt see before and I love to see it.

Originally Posted by leetic

Also, today's my birthday so I may not be entirely present during certain points in the phase but I should still definitely be here for EoD

Ayyyy Happy Birthday

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Shrug/meh
Hateandhatred - bit difficult because they have mentioned they're slow at typing, was nice that they got into real-timing a bit more at the EoD I just... don't really have that much stuff to say about them?
mellonxcollie - felt like they were the least focused at EoD in comparison to all the people participating, also I liked their Bug vote the least

Unfortunate that Mellon was town, but at least glad that I don't have a tinfoil thought they could be mafia in the back of my head anymore though!!!!

I wanted to ask about this: you wrote a reads for Raeko but then how on about how you were wrong about Raeko. Could you expand on your writing style/why this list was written that way? Be a huge help

Originally Posted by leetic

[Lar] is a player who is incredibly stubborn so I won't hold the Weiss push against him too much although I'm not entirely sure why they went bugkid over Hate

The slip (and don't forget that "joke" on being wold beforehand) had a lot to do with it, plus I didn't feel that Bug was really trying to make up about the slip and push a potential solve, plus I really just dont see what makes HnH that bad? Like seriously i do not understand the case against them other then being underwhelming and while that's definitely a valid reason for a vote sometimes I just didnt think this was one of them inactivity and jokes+slips that are either real (does happen) orbest case, are gonna get used by wolves in F3 just sorta rank higher

Originally Posted by leetic

You probably should vote. Even if you're unlikely to be lynched today it prevents the chances of a vengeful fire if you're town. Plus more content from a slot would be good. I think four is insta which I guess could potentially lead to a wolfrush if you vote for someone who's already got the vote but again that would be reckless due to the Freikugel. So there probably aren't any risks here.

Hard disagree, a strong wolf would take the chance right at the end I feel

Originally Posted by Hakulyte

There's definitely a world where MML would attempt to vote out his "afk" partner by principle and kind of know he can just move away near the end because we have tendency to vote out lower posters over 0 posters.

At least, that's a pretty interesting scenario in my mind. I wouldn't entertain it before a Sunfan flip tho.

Yeah I think wolfLar does this 100% and you can find examples if you look far back enough. I should hope the rest of my game paints me in a better light, though

Originally Posted by leetic

Also where the hell is MML

Pensacola, Florida

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Yeah, I know, I'm still not current
I'm having a real one today

I don't know when I will be able to play this game, I feel really bad because today wasn't supposed to be like this, I'm sorry friends.

I will, at the very least, make the last hour of the day, and I'll try for more.

I hope you are well bro. Be safe, and don't worry about if you're that busy with actual important things

Of course I'll vote for your slot but you know, nothing personal

[MixMasterLar]

I am likely not voting Leetic here with the swap+strong impression from last phase.

I think I should probably not hard clear Haku as much as I did last phase for the health of the game but likely not voting for him here either. Second phase Haku definitely more subdued then first phase Haku

By contrast Ara is much better. I wanna pick their brain on that reads list but I'll wait for their answer before indulging further

HnH hasn't moved for me at all. I don't see the hype, but I don't really have a hard case for why they couldn't be wolf. I am a little more willing to vote here this phase if we don't get more from them, but it would be more because of stronger town reads+counter wagon reasons

I wanna cut Sun some slack, I have made respect for his game and know he would never slack intentionally even as wolf but I am not about to let the same inactive slot live twice guys I just fucking ain't capable of it

[MixMasterLar]

I will be checking in fairly frequently until I go to bed around 8 or 9 server time. Past that, you won't have me for EOD